serb's lies about ustasa being created by nazi germany

Tovaric wrote:

yup, pavelic assured hed be in power.the germans initially didnt want him.the italians pressured the germans to accept the ustasa.he went to fascist school in italy,then gave dalmatia and gorski kotar to the italians in exchange for power.
he let this stupid wop be called tomislav 2.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomislav_II_of_C...

Tovaric wrote:

dont know what you think is so funny.i wasn't trying to imply that the italians where a impressive fighting force.imho if it weren't for the italians there would have been no ustasa.before 41,hitler supported yugoslavia.from what ive read pavelic was in italy as early as 1927 offering territory in exchange for autonomy under italy in the remainder of croatia.

Crna Legija wrote:

<quoted text>Just like to point out two facts, 1. It was serbian genocide of Croatins that created the Ustase as a resistance force to counter serb ethinc cleansing of Croatia. 2. Given the choice between being holocaust victims to the serbs or living under a Italian (civilised) rule, Pavelic choose life.
Before anyone criticises Pavelic, they should consider the facts.
The truth has been supressed since WW2 to this day, keep in mind that the only history books we have to go by are serb history books.
We've all heard the saying the winners write history the way it suits them, not that serbs were winners but they switched sides. serbs were Hitler's most loyal subjects at the start of WW2, they boasted to Hitler that they have killed all the Jews in serbia.
When they saw that Hitler was going to lose, they suddenly changed sides and after the war they got to rule Yugoslavia.
Hitler was a Saint compared to Stalin, Rusovelt and Churchill, they each killed far more civillians than Hitler did. The allied forces commited henious atrocities in so called reprisal attacks and turning a blind eye on serbian genocide after WW2 and in the 90's.
I say death to America, death to Russia, death to Brittan and serbia, they're all evil bastards. I've never felt sorry for the 9/11 attacks, the London bombings or the Belsam school masacre, they all deserved it and they will get a lot more in the near future.

Thinker wrote:

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Absolutely right Crni. It might be worth adding that Belgrade was the first city in Europe during WWII to 'proudly' delcare being JUDEN FREI (Jew Free).
It's also worth mentioning that Pavelic's wife was Jewish as were several high ranking officials of the Ustasa movement.
Sort of blows the 'Croats hate Jews' theory out of the water doesn't it?

Thinker wrote:

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Absolutely right Crni. It might be worth adding that Belgrade was the first city in Europe during WWII to 'proudly' delcare being JUDEN FREI (Jew Free).
It's also worth mentioning that Pavelic's wife was Jewish as were several high ranking officials of the Ustasa movement.
Sort of blows the 'Croats hate Jews' theory out of the water doesn't it?

Romanos wrote:

Yeah shure Ustasa where good , loyal dogs of Nazi's and Italians. Actually in the beggining they where more supported by Fashist Italians. Ante Pavelich asked Italian King to make his nephew the king of Croatia and name him Tomislav II, when the Italian prince was announced about that he thought that it was some kinda joke.
Then probably he got depressed thinking ``For what crimes in my past life I should become the king of stinkin Croatia, and named Tomislav``

Romanos wrote:

None of you stinkin croats didnt reply on my post stating the fact that Free State of Croatia was created by Italians and their little dogs Ustasa. And about Italian prince who thought that it was a bad joke when he was announced that he will be the king of Croatia.
About Serbs,Croats and Bosniaks they all are pretty much the same people speaking the same language, only diffeence are religions. Also Bosniaks have heavy amouth of Turkish blood in them.

Crna Legija wrote:

<quoted text>Just like to point out two facts, 1. It was serbian genocide of Croatins that created the Ustase as a resistance force to counter serb ethinc cleansing of Croatia. 2. Given the choice between being holocaust victims to the serbs or living under a Italian (civilised) rule, Pavelic choose life.
Before anyone criticises Pavelic, they should consider the facts.
The truth has been supressed since WW2 to this day, keep in mind that the only history books we have to go by are serb history books.
We've all heard the saying the winners write history the way it suits them, not that serbs were winners but they switched sides. serbs were Hitler's most loyal subjects at the start of WW2, they boasted to Hitler that they have killed all the Jews in serbia.
When they saw that Hitler was going to lose, they suddenly changed sides and after the war they got to rule Yugoslavia.
Hitler was a Saint compared to Stalin, Rusovelt and Churchill, they each killed far more civillians than Hitler did. The allied forces commited henious atrocities in so called reprisal attacks and turning a blind eye on serbian genocide after WW2 and in the 90's.
I say death to America, death to Russia, death to Brittan and serbia, they're all evil bastards. I've never felt sorry for the 9/11 attacks, the London bombings or the Belsam school masacre, they all deserved it and they will get a lot more in the near future.

Tovaric wrote:

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1) yes but....in the mean time vlatko macek made a good deal with the serbs.giving croatia autonomy.giving croatia much terriitory in bosnia,hercigovina including central areas like bugojno travnik etc.croatia even got srjem!
pavelic liquidated all political opposition and sent vlatko macek to jasenovac.
2) he choose life for himself.italians were brutal to the croats.they closed all croat schools,croats were ethnically cleansed,deported,croats had to use italianized names,put into concentration camps lovran,bakar,rab molat as well as deported to camps in italy.although italians were alies of ustasa they were also allies of cetniks.wops employed cetniks to terrorize and kill croats yes even paid.
croats also faced executions and mass rapes from wops and cetniks.civilized rule?

Romanos wrote:

You stinkin moron
You are as Slavic as Serbs
Croats (Croatian: Hrvati) are a South Slavic people mostly living in Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina and nearby countries.
source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croats
I know you have a complex of inferiority and wish that you were Aryan, but you are not you are a simple Slav, whom you like to degrade so much. Upps sorry I broke your heart, go cry to your mommy little boy.
About Serbian inventors have you heard about Nikola Tesla?? You wont find any stinkin croat coming even close to him.

Crna Legija wrote:

<quoted text>It's a shame that there are many Croatians who are brainwashed by serbian propaganda. That's to be expected, considering serbs ran jugoslavia for 70 years and Croatians were held hostage by them.
My family has lost many relatives to the udba, these relatives were murdered because they tried to tell the world what the serbs were doing to our people.
Now we are free to tell our story but I get reall pissed off when I hear people saying that we should leave the past behind and get along with serbs. If we do this than we haven't learned anything from the past and history could repeat itself again.
We have given serbs so many chances and they stabbed us in the bavk every time, muslims are no better. It's a shame we didn't have better neighbours, Croatia would have been a big powerful country if we weren't sorrounded by barbarians who are so jealous of us that they have been trying to kill us all off.
Now that we won our freedom, we have to unite with the enemy in the EU, what a fcuked up world.

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Cro max wrote:

ustase was created by croats who wanted to stop shttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Andrija_Artukovi%C4%87erb agression and killings of croats especially from BIH...