Tibet is not part of China...

dzhou wrote:

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If you really believe this as the truth, too flucking bad! You will continue to see this for a very long time,

I really feel sorry for idiots like Freedomone, pushing for a LOST CAUSE that they'll never see materialize in their lifetime. A waste of a life.

Maybe in the next reincarnation, he can come back as a dog. Maybe better luck then.

Mirolyuba wrote:

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If that is true, the obvious solution is a referendum on independence supervised by the UN.
Why is the CCP so afraid of the true opinion of the people? Is it because of the obvious lies, such as yours made here on their behalf?
then.... Ha Ha Ha!

referendum in china? what a joke - the ccp govt doesn't even allow Human Rights Commission inside china.

Dont you know how ccp china pees in its trousers when Dalai Lama is within 1000 kms of its occupied territory.

dzhou wrote:

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Because Chinese Government don't take into consideration of what retards like you thinks.

true, because CCP china govt neither cares for the chinese people, nor for non chinese.

it only cares for its own prosperity - that of its members

unsignificant wrote:

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you dont have correct conception about tribes.. Ahaha.
Lots of my friends are Man, She, Mongol , Tibtian, but none of them have hostility to each other.
How about your, indian slumdogs?
How many terrorist attacks happened per day in India?

You are as "insignificant" as your id, so i was trying to ignore you. Anyway.

well, the Man, She, Mongol, Tibetans aren't hostile to each other - but they hate the Han to the core, and they despise the CCP govt and its lackeys.

There haven't been any terrorist attacks in India for several months now. You should be worried about the needle attacks in your town, lest one pierces your stinkin arse.

Or may be you would be more worried about you long time bed partner porkistan that's imploding everyday.

Racism comes in various forms, overt, covert and implicit through actions by governments and individuals.

The Chinese kind is the most insidious and pernicious kind, and is also the most vehemently denied and secreted.

The list of racist policies, actions and atrocities by the Han CCP and their agents is too long to chronicle here on this forum.
Suffice to say that they firstly deny the Tibetan people their inalienable right to self-determination and independence, besides all the atrocities and exploitation visited upon them by their oppressors.

Racism also comes in the form of abjuration of such acts as denial of basic freedoms, discrimination, and the refusal to abide by international laws and covenants.

On this forum you get noting but the crassest form of racism displayed in an obduracy and boorishness of unprecedented proportions.

What these posters will never grasp is that with every of their utterances, profanities and insults they confirm their dissolute depravity and paint themselves further into the dog box as the most loathe and despised creed on the planet.

Are these unsavoury dunces representative of the Chinese people per se?

Clearly not, they are but the grossest of flotsam of society, and symptomatic of CCP induced indoctrination, manipulation and the result of the contemptible example the CCP sets.

A blemish and ignominy to the good people of China, whose only ‘fault’ is the ‘government’ they have to tolerate and the lack of dignity they’re experiencing under this crass regime.

They are incapable of comprehending the simplest concept of human civility and consideration, not once will they ever show anything approaching civilised or humane behaviour.

Truly a sad lot, way beneath contempt!

GlobeSon wrote:

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You are as "insignificant" as your id, so i was trying to ignore you. Anyway.
well, the Man, She, Mongol, Tibetans aren't hostile to each other - but they hate the Han to the core, and they despise the CCP govt and its lackeys.
There haven't been any terrorist attacks in India for several months now. You should be worried about the needle attacks in your town, lest one pierces your stinkin arse.
Or may be you would be more worried about you long time bed partner porkistan that's imploding everyday.

Looks like you're pulling more stuff out of your rear with your left hand. Manchus, She, Mongols, etc. all inter-marry with Han Chinese. Everyone in China gets along just fine among most of China's 56 ethnic groups. The 2 that don't are "Contra" movements funded by Western powers. But with DaLIE Lama nearing his end and Xinjiang rapidly modernizing, those 2 separatist movements will die off naturally over time, after they lose their value to the anti-China nuts.

freedomone wrote:

Racism comes in various forms, overt, covert and implicit through actions by governments and individuals.
The Chinese kind is the most insidious and pernicious kind, and is also the most vehemently denied and secreted.
The list of racist policies, actions and atrocities by the Han CCP and their agents is too long to chronicle here on this forum.
Suffice to say that they firstly deny the Tibetan people their inalienable right to self-determination and independence, besides all the atrocities and exploitation visited upon them by their oppressors.
Racism also comes in the form of abjuration of such acts as denial of basic freedoms, discrimination, and the refusal to abide by international laws and covenants.
On this forum you get noting but the crassest form of racism displayed in an obduracy and boorishness of unprecedented proportions.
What these posters will never grasp is that with every of their utterances, profanities and insults they confirm their dissolute depravity and paint themselves further into the dog box as the most loathe and despised creed on the planet.
Are these unsavoury dunces representative of the Chinese people per se?
Clearly not, they are but the grossest of flotsam of society, and symptomatic of CCP induced indoctrination, manipulation and the result of the contemptible example the CCP sets.
A blemish and ignominy to the good people of China, whose only ‘fault’ is the ‘government’ they have to tolerate and the lack of dignity they’re experiencing under this crass regime.
They are incapable of comprehending the simplest concept of human civility and consideration, not once will they ever show anything approaching civilised or humane behaviour.
Truly a sad lot, way beneath contempt!

The biggest racist on Topix is YOU. You hate the Chinese, 20 % of mankind.

Get a life and try to adapt to the "Asian Century," which is the rest of your life. If not, your life will be a tragedy.

HIV wrote:

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You are so right
Put one Han Chinese and one Tibetan before me, I can show who is Tibetan and who is Chinese, and I think everyone in Asia can distinguish them
Different people, different culture, why China said Tibet belongs to China. China just invaded Tibet in 1950.

According to your theory,how many countires should United States should be divided to ?'Cause you can show who is black ,who is white,and who is yellow face,they are totally different,I think everyone on the earth can distinguish them.:)

GlobeSon wrote:

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referendum in china? what a joke - the ccp govt doesn't even allow Human Rights Commission inside china.
Dont you know how ccp china pees in its trousers when Dalai Lama is within 1000 kms of its occupied territory.

The deli liar is to China what "reds under the bed" is to the west and the China "Threat" is to India. Every time the leaders in China want to have a rally point they find something to say about the deli liar. Since he is such a poor liar the Chinese people take one look at the deli liar and the popularity of the CCP goes up another percent or two. I suspect that the CCP heads secretly nip into the nearest temple when theey get the chance and throw up a few prayers for the dickhead to live to a ripe old age. While the US admit to having him on the payroll the CCP will have him in the news every chance they get!

GlobeSon wrote:

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true, because CCP china govt neither cares for the chinese people, nor for non chinese.
it only cares for its own prosperity - that of its members

Yea they care for indian slumdogs you moron!

uncle fargo wrote:

<quoted text>The deli liar is to China what "reds under the bed" is to the west and the China "Threat" is to India. Every time the leaders in China want to have a rally point they find something to say about the deli liar. Since he is such a poor liar the Chinese people take one look at the deli liar and the popularity of the CCP goes up another percent or two. I suspect that the CCP heads secretly nip into the nearest temple when theey get the chance and throw up a few prayers for the dickhead to live to a ripe old age. While the US admit to having him on the payroll the CCP will have him in the news every chance they get!

I went to the deli recently and did not see the liar. Where was he? He was invited to visit Japan by the militarist/ultra-rightist politicians there.

freedomone wrote:

Racism comes in various forms, overt, covert and implicit through actions by governments and individuals.
The Chinese kind is the most insidious and pernicious kind, and is also the most vehemently denied and secreted.
The list of racist policies, actions and atrocities by the Han CCP and their agents is too long to chronicle here on this forum.
Suffice to say that they firstly deny the Tibetan people their inalienable right to self-determination and independence, besides all the atrocities and exploitation visited upon them by their oppressors.
Racism also comes in the form of abjuration of such acts as denial of basic freedoms, discrimination, and the refusal to abide by international laws and covenants.
On this forum you get noting but the crassest form of racism displayed in an obduracy and boorishness of unprecedented proportions.
What these posters will never grasp is that with every of their utterances, profanities and insults they confirm their dissolute depravity and paint themselves further into the dog box as the most loathe and despised creed on the planet.
Are these unsavoury dunces representative of the Chinese people per se?
Clearly not, they are but the grossest of flotsam of society, and symptomatic of CCP induced indoctrination, manipulation and the result of the contemptible example the CCP sets.
A blemish and ignominy to the good people of China, whose only ‘fault’ is the ‘government’ they have to tolerate and the lack of dignity they’re experiencing under this crass regime.
They are incapable of comprehending the simplest concept of human civility and consideration, not once will they ever show anything approaching civilised or humane behaviour.
Truly a sad lot, way beneath contempt!

How much freedom and human rights did your Tibet upper class predecessors (the overlords) give the serfs and slaves under the theocratic system of Tibet before 1959?

Could they comprehend the importance of freedom and human rights to the serfs and slaves in old Tibet? Could they comprehend the sorrow and suffering of these poor folks? Can they comprehend all these now?

Now we know that the call has gone out to all Propaganda Lies Operatives to redouble the effort in disseminating the sickening fabrication of the “Cruel Feudal Past of Tibet”.
“Post it everywhere you can, write letters to the editors and proffer our lies to all and everyone you could possibly target.”
“Never mind if people don’t want to listen, want to know, or they already know that it is not true, it is the shotgun approach we use, of the many bullets one will kill, we know this, as we always have used it on Tibetans and have killed many this way.”
“In fact we are responsible for some million plus of Tibetans killed, tortured and starved to death by us Han.”
“Yes our record is so appalling and atrocious hat we think it is best that we divert attention away from our atrocities and make up lies about the past of the Tibetan people, you know, blame the victim.”
“Yes we stole the Tibetans’ food to feed our own creed during the 59-61 famine, so some three to four hundred (3 to 400,000) Tibetans died as a result of this heinous crime alone.”
“Of course we killed many more by means of torture and executions and many other barbaric ways, far worse than any ancient Tibetan justice system ever was.

In fact we Chinese were far more barbaric and cruel to our own people and all the people we subjugated. In Tibet alone we introduced all the barbaric practises we now so cowardly blame the Tibetans for, like ‘Death by a thousand Cuts’, eye gouging, finger presses, pillories, smashing arrows through the victim’s ears, boiling to death, etc, etc.

Of course we insisted that they adapt these practices also after we so graphically and indiscriminately demonstrated the ‘effectiveness’ of these barbarisms on the Tibetan population, never mind that it was completely alien to them and they resisted to commit such barbarities on our orders.

As Xiaoming Zhang writes in his book ‘China’s Tibet’“…….The basic principles formulated in the 29-Article Ordinance remained the standard for the administrative and legal system in Tibet for more than the next hundred years.”

The Tibetans of course immediately repudiated these horrific Manchu enforced practices once they had kicked us out of their sovereign nation.

But pssssst, no one should know about that, this should remain our dirtiest little secret.”
“So good Propaganda Lies Soldiers, go forth and spread the lies we have inculcated into you, and don’t stop till every human being on this planet is aware of it. Never mind if only a few believe it, as Mao said, repeat a lie a thousand times and soon it will be believed by the masses.”

So the good little soldier here saluted and cried on the top of his screeching little high pitched voice,“Yes comrade Cai, I shall fulfil my quota and spread the lies as far and wide as the four winds will carry them, I’m your most faithful lackey student, remember!”

But of course factual history is anathema to the CCP and their crony lackeys; all they’ve got is their fabrications and lies to cover up their unspeakable atrocities, then and today in the 21st century no less.

RayH wrote:

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The biggest racist on Topix is YOU. You hate the Chinese, 20 % of mankind.
Get a life and try to adapt to the "Asian Century," which is the rest of your life. If not, your life will be a tragedy.

I am ready!

freedomone wrote:

The CCP cabal was enthusiastically supporting the independence of Timor Leste and argued that the “choice of the people should be respected”.
In the case of Tibet the Han CCP has dissolutely denied the people of this illegally occupied sovereign nation the right to self government.
The PRC, not on any count, qualifies to represent the Tibetan people.
In fact it has unreservedly disqualified itself from any right to govern or represent the Tibetan people, through its gross human rights abuses, its wantonly racist policies towards the populace as a whole, the gratuitous destruction of the environment, and the blatant disregard of any treaty, covenant and charter the PRC has signed up to, under the UN and as member of the international community.
Let alone the fact that Tibet never was a part of “China”, nor under the control of any entity which preceded the fatuous and duplicitous notion of “China”, which may have occupied the same territory in the distant past.
Today Tibet remains under international law an illegally occupied independent, sovereign nation, and will never cease to be so, despite the most craven and callous efforts by the Han CCP to wipe out the last vestiges of Tibetan identity and resettle it with their own Han occupying hordes.

You have been running a misinformation campaign against China. While you repeatedly claim that China violates human rights of the people especially the Tibetans. I have also asked you if you and your theocratic masters value human rights and freedom so much, how much freedom and rights you gave the Tibetan serfs and slaves under theocracy.

You never answer this question.

Instead of debating or answering my question, you just pretend you do not see it, and repeat your subjective allegations and lies non-stoppingly. Posting so many lengthy comments everyday which are full of fabrication and lies won't buy you anything.

* I would like to ask why Dalai Lama and his group persecute the Dorge Shugden believers. Aren't they also Tibetan Buddists despite they believe in Dorge Shugden's teachings?

Why can't they enjoy their rights and freedom in religion? They were persecuted by Dalai Lama and his supporters in India for so many years.

Are their rights not important?

That's why they ran many protests in Europe and North America last year to tell the world "Dalai Lama, Stop Lying!".

Then some Tibet separatists and sympathizers in western countries smeared these Shugden monks living overseas as Chinese communists. Is it logical?

** Anyone who are interested in understanding the Dorge (Dorjie) Shugden followers can search for "Western Shugden Society" using Yahoo or Google search engines.

Freedomon (and people like son of globe and Gagi Nang), please "Stop Lying". Please mind your double standards!

InfoSharing, It would look you have above all this uncontrollable fixation on things past from the arguments you outlined. In fact it reveals a morbid preference for let's say very dead horsemeat rather than choosing to see to a dying-in-progress half corpse if you would get my meaning.

Very true the anti-DL crowd can have a strong case made about suspecting reversion to feudal past. But rival religious shop or not, things seem to be pretty much wrapped up by the PLA machine, they are certainly brooking no opposition in upholding the official line of an internal China affair, or I am quite certain very heavyweight armed response to contend with.

For young Western persons like yourselves to be embroiled in freedom movements of one form or another is quite normal, and should not excite undue cynical interpreatation. Even allowing that thunderbolt on the road to Llasa or some such, and feeling therefore aggreived by perceived betrayal by having backed the wrong horse with youthful righteous energy, this 180 degree about turn, and very important here on an international viewership forum, to be instead speaking on behalf of the CCP every turn of the way, would arouse at least different take by the odd thinking individuals.

One could in fact draw two immediate observations. Either you, probably as a function of the usual mis-understanding the remit of all that Canadian/western liberty open to you and thus its mis-use, intends on carrying this little personal score evening into the very public arena, to endlessly flog the dead carcass, in a gratuitous attempt to purge that scar of feeling betrayed, and quite in wanton disregard of any consequence.

Alternately you somehow form a sort of positive view, nature of which not known here, of China, or is it some justifiable infatuation with her latest much photogenic leadership, and your every word and every step can hence be proceeding from this basis.

In either case, it is not fully functioning reason that dominates. It 's of course much better to check first with your emotion before passing such significant judgement on something of whose the professed knowledge can only be superfical at best.

Or again, which you have vigorously denied numerous occasion, you are simply a (converted) Chinese nationalist. But that should not spoil the realisation of something finding its way to top of the most fashionable things to be doing at the moment.

China should nuke usa

BSA wrote:

InfoSharing, It would look you have above all this uncontrollable fixation on things past from the arguments you outlined. In fact it reveals a morbid preference for let's say very dead horsemeat rather than choosing to see to a dying-in-progress half corpse if you would get my meaning.
Very true the anti-DL crowd can have a strong case made about suspecting reversion to feudal past. But rival religious shop or not, things seem to be pretty much wrapped up by the PLA machine, they are certainly brooking no opposition in upholding the official line of an internal China affair, or I am quite certain very heavyweight armed response to contend with.
For young Western persons like yourselves to be embroiled in freedom movements of one form or another is quite normal, and should not excite undue cynical interpreatation. Even allowing that thunderbolt on the road to Llasa or some such, and feeling therefore aggreived by perceived betrayal by having backed the wrong horse with youthful righteous energy, this 180 degree about turn, and very important here on an international viewership forum, to be instead speaking on behalf of the CCP every turn of the way, would arouse at least different take by the odd thinking individuals.
One could in fact draw two immediate observations. Either you, probably as a function of the usual mis-understanding the remit of all that Canadian/western liberty open to you and thus its mis-use, intends on carrying this little personal score evening into the very public arena, to endlessly flog the dead carcass, in a gratuitous attempt to purge that scar of feeling betrayed, and quite in wanton disregard of any consequence.
Alternately you somehow form a sort of positive view, nature of which not known here, of China, or is it some justifiable infatuation with her latest much photogenic leadership, and your every word and every step can hence be proceeding from this basis.
In either case, it is not fully functioning reason that dominates. It 's of course much better to check first with your emotion before passing such significant judgement on something of whose the professed knowledge can only be superfical at best.
Or again, which you have vigorously denied numerous occasion, you are simply a (converted) Chinese nationalist. But that should not spoil the realisation of something finding its way to top of the most fashionable things to be doing at the moment.

If the Tibet separatist continue their fight for independence but refrain from using these lies as excuses for their campaign, I can shut up and never criticise them again.
As long as they use these lies as their excuses for independence, I can't keep my mouth shut. I believe you guys have no rights to twist history, and everyone in the world are entitled to knowing the true version of history especially the darkest era of Tibet history.
By the way, why you are so surprised when a Canadian stands up to rebuke the lies of the Tibet separatists? You shouldn't be surprised that I am a distant relative of Dr. Bethune.

Fuman Choo/BSA/Gagi Nang/Chinaman's Chance/The Helmsman,
Whatever you say, never mind.
However, why not look at the facts and research output produced by the authors in the west decades/a century ago? Why not look at the publications produced by American professors in the recent decade. As you and I can't read Chinese, these books in English are reliable sources for us. Unfortunately, morons like you and Freedomone discount them as communist lies.(Sorry I just assume that you can't read Chinese.)
On the other hand, it is not what I say that matters. I want to show people where they can find the materials produced by researchers. It is their research output that matters.
You love to smear whomever criticising DL as communist or communist lackeys. Is it logical? Do you think you can discredit this reports and cover up the crimes committed by the landlords and slaveowners of old Tibet?
While you think that anti-Dalai Lama is my most favourite activity (and my favourite subject), I may say the same about your preference. You just love to defend DL and the slaveowners and try hard to twist the facts to cover up the wrongdoings of the slaveowners.
You call all the critics of Dalai Lama and the Tibet separatists Chinese communists.
You have called me Chinese+communist and Chinese communist lackeys. Please don't forget that you have also called me a "Chinese visa student" last month which is in fact something I want to be - going backward in time to become a young man again. What a joke!
When you say that the researchers and historians who published to disclose Dala Lama's dirty past are speaking on behalf of the CCP, I think it is really hilarious. There must be something wrong with yourself. Your own problem.
Converted nationalist Chinese? Why don't you SOB define this term clearly before arguing with me.(You are trying to confuse the audience again. Oh, so I am no longer a Chinese/Communist/or both. But I am a Chinese nationalist now.)
Talking about nationalist Chinese, I know quite a few of them in Taipei and Kaohsiung. Those Chinese guys, mostly from Taiwan, I knew in graduate school in the United States are now deans or senior professors in north and south Taiwan. Most of them are nationalist. Do you know their opinions about the Taiwan and Tibet separatist movements? Do you think they agree with you? Definitely, they are not pro-communist. They in fact are anti-communist. You will be surprised how similar their version of Tibet history and stories about slavery of old Tibet are with the communist versions. It does not matter you are Chinese communist or nationalist, or Tibetologists in the west (like American professors Tom Grunfeld and Michael Parenti), there is only one version of Tibet history. But their version is very different from that of the Tibet separatists in exile.
Let me tell u one more thing. Since I am a Canadian, it means nothing to me whether Tibet stays within China as a province or gains its independence. I won't give a damn since it won't bother me at all.

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However, what bothers me a lot are the lies fabricated by the Tibet separatists especially the following two items:
- Tibet was an independent country invaded by China in 1949.
- Slavery never existed in old Tibet. Or slavery of old Tibet was a bengin form of slavery under which the slaves were well taken care of by their overlords.
These two are lies fabricated by Tibet separatists who were human right offenders who have committed serious crimes against humanity. If you do not like the mistakes committed by the communists in the first 30 years of communist rule in China, how can you accept the atrocities committed by the former upper class of old Tibet? Can you conseal your double standards and bias?
If the Tibet separatist continue their fight for independence but refrain from using these lies as excuses for their campaign, I can shut up and never criticise them again.
As long as they use these lies as their excuses for independence, I can't keep my mouth shut. I believe you guys have no rights to twist history, and everyone in the world are entitled to knowing the true version of history especially the darkest era of Tibet history.
By the way, why you are so surprised when a Canadian stands up to rebuke the lies of the Tibet separatists? You shouldn't be surprised that I am a distant relative of Dr. Bethune.