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“IRONEA 338 B.C.E. ”

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#1 Aug 13, 2012

“IRONEA 338 B.C.E. ”

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#2 Aug 13, 2012
Were the Proto-Bulgarians Türks? Were the people, led by Asparukh to the Lower Danube, Turkic-speaking?

All modern scholars answer positively.

This view is also supported in the latest academic edition of History of the Bulgarian lands, cf. "Istorija pa Bylgarija". T. II. S., 1981, s.60.

B e sh e v l i e v, V. Pyrvobylgarite. Bit i kultura. S., 1981; R a sh e v, R. Dunavska Bylgarija i Centralna Azija.- Vtori mezhdunaroden kongres po bylgaristika. Dokladi. T.6. S., 1987, s. 205-210.

The Turkic anthropological type and the Turkicness of the Proto-Bulgarians have not been questioned. The linguistic data in the Namelist of the Bulgarian rulers, in the Byzantine written sources as well as the Proto-Bulgarian stone inscriptions are given as an irrefutable evidence to that. The Turkic names, phrases and words they contain, leave little room for discussion.

A number of Middle Asian elements in the material culture of the First Bulgarian kingdom, such as the 12-year cyclic animal calendar, the cult of Tangra, etc., all with undeniable analogies in the culture of the Turkic khaganate, are also brought forward.

("On the origin of the Proto-Bulgars" , Rasho Rashev, Shumen. p. 23-33 in: Studia protobulgarica et Mediaevalia Europensia. In honour of Prof. V. Beshevliev, Veliko Tarnovo, 1992)
http://www.kroraina.com/bulgar/rashev.html

“IRONEA 338 B.C.E. ”

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#3 Aug 14, 2012
It is commonly accepted that the documentary evidence contain only data about the European period of the history of Proto-Bulgars.
Recently, although, B.Simeonov advanced the hypothesis that their ethnicon had been known much earlier to the Chinese, but in a rather altered form because of the peculiarities of the transcription of foreign names in Chinese.
In modern Chinese the Bulgars are known as 'ba-go' or 'bao- guo', and B. Simeonov concludes that the ancient word 'bulgar' should occur as 'pu-ku' or 'bu-gu'.
Exactly the same name of a tribe or a group of tribes is repeatedly mentioned in different Chinese sources from 103 BC up to the 8-th century AD. They speak about a people or tribe pu-ku/bu-gu inhabiting the western as well as the eastern parts of Central Asia, the lands to the north and north-west of Tien-Shan, the Semirech'e and west of the rivers Sur Darya and Amu Darya. Interestingly enough, one of the tribal lords of the people pu-ku - Sofu sulifa Kenan Bain, bears the title sulifa, attested later among the Dagestan Proto-Bulgars.
(B.Simeonov, Iztochni izvori za istorijata i nazvanieto na Asparuhovite b'lgari, Vekove, VIII, 1979, v. 1, pp.49-54)
http://www.kroraina.com/p_bulgar/p_bulg1a.htm

“IRONEA 338 B.C.E. ”

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#4 Aug 20, 2012
Bulgars: Encyclopedia - Bulgars
Bulgars (also Bolgars or proto-Bulgarians)- a people of Central Asia, originally Pamirian or Turkic, whose branches became Slavicized and Turkic over time. The Turkic etymology most often given for their name is Bulgha meaning sable and is of totemistic origin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_Old_...

Bulgars - List of Bulgar tribes thought to have been Bulgar in origin include:

* Utighur
* Kutrighur (Kotrags)
* Onogur
* The Kuber Varkuni
* Asparukh's Horde
* Altasek's Horde
* The Unok-v'ndur federation

“IRONEA 338 B.C.E. ”

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#5 Aug 23, 2012
LOL

Düsseldorf, Germany

#6 Aug 23, 2012
and...?
fyromians are subhumans

Bulgaria

#7 Aug 25, 2012
And? Yes, there is a strong possibility that Proto-Bulgarians or Bulgars were of Turkic origin.

Bulgarians however are not Bulgars and their name, language, history, culture, heroes are their own, they do not have to steal the Greek name of Macedonia to justify their existence, unlike the fyromijan craphole.

So? Where to now, fyromski? You discovered something that has been known for more than a decade. Or maybe you are planning on stealing that too?

“IRONEA 338 B.C.E. ”

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Solun, Occupied Macedonia [+]

#8 Aug 27, 2012
fyromians are subhumans

Bulgaria

#9 Aug 27, 2012
Filip II Reincarnated wrote:
http://turkic-languages.scienc eontheweb.net/Proto_Bulgaro_Tu rkic_homeland.jpg
Will you tell me that water is wet too?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgarian_langua...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgar_language

Read carefully the differences (provided reading is not too much of a burden of course).

In any case I'll spell it out:
"NOT to be confused with Bulgar language"

Any questions, chimp?
wanderasea

AOL

#10 Aug 29, 2012
Bulgarians are just Turks with some slavic element, probably ancient Serb types that mixed with Turks thereby producing the Buglarian. That is why they can't speak properly.

“IRONEA 338 B.C.E. ”

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#11 Aug 30, 2012
wanderasea wrote:
Bulgarians are just Turks with some slavic element, probably ancient Serb types that mixed with Turks thereby producing the Buglarian. That is why they can't speak properly.
Close neighbours:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
(look for "Serbi" in SARMATIA ASIATICA, north of Albania)
fyromians are subhumans

Bulgaria

#12 Sep 8, 2012
There are plenty of barking fyromian subhumans here, I see.

“IRONEA 338 B.C.E. ”

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Solun, Occupied Macedonia [+]

#13 Sep 13, 2012
Around 30 Bulgar journalists for "The Third Half" premier!!!

http://www.dnevnik.com.mk/default.asp...
fyromians are subhumans

Bulgaria

#14 Sep 13, 2012
VETO is such a nice word. Greece shoved one up your arse, I wonder who will do so next? Can't think of someone? Us, perhaps? You'll be renamed to Vetostan by the time we are all through with Fyromija.

“IRONEA 338 B.C.E. ”

Since: Mar 10

Solun, Occupied Macedonia [+]

#15 Sep 14, 2012
fyromians are subhumans wrote:
VETO is such a nice word. Greece shoved one up your arse, I wonder who will do so next? Can't think of someone? Us, perhaps? You'll be renamed to Vetostan by the time we are all through with Fyromija.
Not the Mongols obviously:

http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php...
fyromians are subhumans

Bulgaria

#16 Sep 14, 2012
Well no, Mongols won't be a problem. Bulgaria however will VETO the fryromian shithole. It will be funny when the fyromian subhumans start barking.

“IRONEA 338 B.C.E. ”

Since: Mar 10

Solun, Occupied Macedonia [+]

#17 Sep 14, 2012
fyromians are subhumans wrote:
Well no, Mongols won't be a problem. Bulgaria however will VETO the fryromian shithole. It will be funny when the fyromian subhumans start barking.
Veto this:

http://www.novamakedonija.com.mk/NewsDetal.as...

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/21838/...

HEHEHEEEHEHEHEHEEHHEHEEHEEHE.. .
Vladimir

Podgorica, Montenegro

#18 Sep 14, 2012
Bulgarians are Europeans!
Bulgarians are Slavs...right?

“IRONEA 338 B.C.E. ”

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#19 Sep 16, 2012
Vladimir wrote:
Bulgarians are Europeans!
Bulgarians are Slavs...right?
WRONG:

http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Eastern_Bul...

“IRONEA 338 B.C.E. ”

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#20 Sep 17, 2012
First Bulgar/Bolgar states.

In the traditional Türkology the first Bulgar/Bolgar state is considered the Great Bulgaria of the Khan Kurbat (called distorted Kubrat by the author - Translator's Note).

But the Danube Bolgarian scientists believe that still before our era Bulgars had a state in the headwater region of of Amu Darya, in the Pamir and Hindukush mountains, in the most civilized part of the Middle Asia.

As the Bulgar scientist Peter Dobrev states, in a well-known Latin anonymous chronograph of the 345 the name of the ancient Bulgars is used to designate the ancient Baktrians, who were also living in the territory near the Pamir and Hindukush. In the north the Bactria bordered Sogd, and the Sogdians called the northern part of the Pamir Blgar, the Arabs called it Burgar, the Afghans called it Falgar or Palgar [Dobrev П., 1999, January].

Bactria is one of the most ancient centers of the agricultural culture and statehood formation in the Middle Asia, where a slaveholding society already existed in the 1st half of the 1st millennium BC. In the 6th-4th centuries BC Bactria was included into the Ahaemenid state, and then in the Alexander the Great empire, and after its disintegration arose the Greko-Baktrian kingdom. Then in the 2nd century BC Bactria, together with Sogd, became a center of the upcoming Kushanian state created mostly by the Tochars. After the name of the main inhabitants this region started to be called Toharistan. In the 14th-15th centuries the area to the south from the Amu Darya was called Balh, it was the name of the city and of the tribe, it constitutes the first part of the ethnonym balh-ar/balhar/bolgar.

Thus, in this most civilized part of the Middle Asia along with many other Türkic tribes also lived the Balhars/Balgars, who created there the states Balgar and Balhara, which were famous as "the country of a thousand cities".

To present more clearly the location of these ancient Bulgar states, we shall demonstrate here the map of the Middle Asia reconstructed by the Academician S.Eremyan from the materials of the Armenian geography "Ashharauyts" and Ptolemy records.

It is commonly accepted that the documentary evidence contain only data about the European period of the history of Proto-Bulgars. Recently, although, B.Simeonov advanced the hypothesis that their ethnicon had been known much earlier to the Chinese, but in a rather altered form because of the peculiarities of the transcription of foreign names in Chinese.
In modern Chinese the Bulgars are known as 'ba-go' or 'bao- guo', and B. Simeonov concludes that the ancient word 'bulgar' should occur as 'pu-ku' or 'bu-gu'.

Exactly the same name of a tribe or a group of tribes is repeatedly mentioned in different Chinese sources from 103 BC up to the 8-th century AD. They speak about a people or tribe pu-ku/bu-gu inhabiting the western as well as the eastern parts of Central Asia, the lands to the north and north-west of Tien-Shan, the Semirech'e and west of the rivers Sur Darya and Amu Darya. Interestingly enough, one of the tribal lords of the people pu-ku - Sofu sulifa Kenan Bain, bears the title sulifa, attested later among the Dagestan Proto-Bulgars.

B.Simeonov, Iztochni izvori za istorijata i nazvanieto na Asparuhovite b'lgari, Vekove, VIII, 1979, v. 1, pp.49-54.
http://www.kroraina.com/p_bulgar/p_bulg1a.htm

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