It's the Guns, Stupid

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Foo wrote:

<quoted text>The poulation level , circa 2012, magnifies these problems somewhat.....

the razor wrote:

<quoted text>what the frock man your still on white and blacks, get a life imbecile

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Foo wrote:

<quoted text>Its been established beyond doubt with cold hard facts ,that individual gun tragedies have no relation with legal and law abiding gun owners.....why do you persist with trying to revive a dead horse ?

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Dr Freud wrote:

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That other poster is playing the 'hate' card to the hilt.
People motivated by hate don't need to justify their hatred. Rather, the only thing they see is their point of view to the utter detraction of everything else. Pointing out the truth of the matter only serves to incite them further. And remember: You can't talk someone out of something which they weren't talked into to begin with. Self-deception is far more insidious than the most virulent propaganda.

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Dr Freud wrote:

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That other poster is playing the 'hate' card to the hilt.
People motivated by hate don't need to justify their hatred. Rather, the only thing they see is their point of view to the utter detraction of everything else. Pointing out the truth of the matter only serves to incite them further. And remember: You can't talk someone out of something which they weren't talked into to begin with. Self-deception is far more insidious than the most virulent propaganda.

Snow Bunny_ wrote:

<quoted text>When it comes to Marijuana...I agree!
BUT....crack, crystal meth, Heroin, and opiates DESTROY LIVES!
<quoted text>That's like asking "how does drunk driving effect others"?
...because I have the RIGHT to SAFETY in this country!
Letting people do crack, heroin, and meth diminishes my RIGHT to safety!
<quoted text>More kids would be doing it!
Drugs and alcohol can cause effects like illnesses, which can be expensive for society to cure.
Use of drugs during pregnancy will increase the likelihood of children with bad school results and, when grown up, unemployed.
The high costs of narcotics abuse can cause economic catastrophe for the addict.
The high costs often cause other criminality, which causes extensive damage.
Alcohol and drugs can make people behave in unsafe, irresponsible and aggressive way, and are therefore forbidden in combination with driving, etc.
Because of the bad effects of narcotics on people and society, most countries make selling and using narcotics illegal.

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spider1954 wrote:

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BECAUSE I HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAFETY IN THIS COUNTRY.
Thats quite right, I agree,,, Sooo who ensures that right?,,,YOU?,,,or do you entrust it to strangers.

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Foo wrote:

<quoted text>Its been established beyond doubt with cold hard facts ,that individual gun tragedies have no relation with legal and law abiding gun owners.....why do you persist with trying to revive a dead horse ?

blah wrote:

Another meaningless post ^^

Ahomana wrote:

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I concede after looking at several points of reference to the use of guns in America, they are a necessary evil....
I will never like guns or what they are capable of and the gung ho status of a good deal of so called responsible gun owners on this page are a small group of passionate and sometimes overzealous gun owners and do not depict the many responsible gun owners who fear they need a gun to keep all things equal.
I realise that you have a situation where to protect yourselves from both crime and the government that you are put in the unenviable place of needing to defend your liberty from the threat of home invasion and governmental abuse....this is sad state of affairs, but then I believe you are aware that this is not the best type of situation to be in, it is simply the only one you have till something better is proffered.
I only wish that was possible for those who actively seek it.....

blah wrote:

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So what you're saying, coward, is that you have more of a chance to pull out your gun from under your clothes and shoot a person who has a gun pointed at you from about 15 feet.. then quickly moving a persons gun away from you who has it pointed to your head up close and punching him in the face?
Okay, "Neo". Have fun dodging those speeding bullets. You, coward, are a moron.
"If you allow an armed criminal to get close enough to put a gun in your face, you situational awareness sucks"
Oh? Why is that, coward?
Also, coward, how many times in your sad civilian life did you need a gun to defend yourself?
How many people writing here needed a gun to protect themselves?
IF you were in a bad situation, how would a gun have benefitted it/you?
You SCARED MORONS seem to think that if someone has a gun and you don't, then you will automatically be killed. That if you're at a store and someone pulls out a gun and tries robbing it, then you will die...
LOL
Cowards.. just cowards.

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Armed Veteran wrote:

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You can call me coward until the cows come home. Coming from a government boot-licking sycophant, it means absolutely nothing to me.
And yes, my odds of being shot at 15 feet are MUCH LESS than at point blank range, you twit. The greater the distance, the greater the inaccuracy of the shooter. Duh!!
And thank the Lord, I have never had to use my sidearm to defend myself to date. Does that mean it will never happen?? Of course not. But I guess being prepared for any given situation is being your scope of reasoning isn't it?? People in this country are forced to use firearms anywhere from 700,000 to 2.5 million times a year for self-defense or defense of the innocent. And in over 80% of time, the gun is not fired.
Answer me this. Would you rely strictly on the kindness of strangers for your family's protection and safety? I would not. And no one else has the responsibility for their safety either.
And no I don't believe that just because the bad guy has a gun and I don't that I will be killed. But what that criminal will have is a very distinct advantage over me. Why are you so hell bent on giving criminals the upper hand? Is it because you are a criminal and can't stand the thought of any armed resistance???

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Light Bearer wrote:

Sir Bob Bylan, recently knighted by your President.
I saw ten thousand takers whose tongues were all broken
I saw guns and sharp swords in the hands of young children
And it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard, and it's a hard
It's a hard rain's a-gonna fall.

wallabyedward wrote:

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Now you're even stealing my words you illiterate thick head. You've got nothing of your own, everything you post is plagiarised, you're a moron who doesn't even have any courage of your own, yours comes in the form of a GUN!
You all pretend to own a gun for protection, so why is it that all of you don't just have "A" gun, you all have arsenals?
You're the very people society needs to be protected from; the cowardly weaklings with no courage, just an arsenal to give you any kind of courage at all.
You were a PIG, not a Police Officer, you wore the uniform for the same reason you carry your guns, you gutless wonder.
You wore it to allow you to abuse those who couldn't defend themselves, and any who did, you charged with assaulting a Police Officer you dirty filthy fraud.
You're just another dirty low coward with no character strength what so ever; you're an abuser, you bring shame to the uniform.
I've made no secret of who I am, my photo is there for you to see, yet you hide behind you're stupid Guns on the Net crap.
I still don't need a gun, and your threats to me are laughable. You'd never have the courage to try to take me without a gun, because a weakling like you would never have what that would take.
I await you're psychopathic rage and your dumb threats girlie boi. You're not a mans arsehole you wannabe.

Where Is My America wrote:

<quoted text>As always , well said.

Where Is My America wrote:

<quoted text>An Amazing turn of events .
I give you credit for being open minded but I also swear , from you , I never thought I would see it.
Your not the first , we have changed other peoples minds and that is why you thought it was gung ho but it was not.
Gung Ho is not always bad , as individuals seek to keep the concept of individual liberty and choose our own destiny when possible we are up against incredible odds.
Over 300 million Americans , that's a lot of people to have in any one country.
Think about the problems your country would face if tomorrow , suddenly , 300 million people were living in OZ.
Homeless numbers up , crime up , transportation systems bulging at the seams.
Housing prices skyrocket do to demand and all the while the rich and or the powerful remain a minority who seek greater control and treasure.
With people , back in the day or tomorrow arriving from the four corners of the globe it is our Constitution that binds us together as Americans.
We fight for our rights under the Constitution for one simple reason.
What is easily lost , is a life's work of hard fighting to regain .

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spider1954 wrote:

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BECAUSE I HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAFETY IN THIS COUNTRY.
Thats quite right, I agree,,, Sooo who ensures that right?,,,YOU?,,,or do you entrust it to strangers.

Dr Freud wrote:

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She entrusts it to total strangers, in the same way that she would trust her preteen children to those same total strangers. They always know better!