It's the Guns, Stupid

Snow Bunny_ wrote:

<quoted text>BRILLIANT!
LOL, watch...you outsmarted her, now she'll call you names, and deflect from the topic or the point you just made:)

Thankyou Snow bunny...I also admire the way you stand up to Pam and the trail of fools that support her position.
It shows great courage to go against the majority, but great intestinal fortitude.....Keep it up!

Dr Freud wrote:

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You want a link ......
Should I guess that you don't know how to do a web search?
http://histclo.com/essay/war/ww2/cou/us/pr/41...

WTF is that may I ask...a boys clothing factory essay...what?

Wave after wave of effluvium just keeps rolling in with the mutual admiration society!

Dr Freud wrote:

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Thank you! That was the quote I was looking for, when I spoke of the Port Arthur massacre as being a false flag op. The individual involved had been prepped beforehand by the police and enticed to commit the act in order that the law waiting to be introduced would have a chance at passage.
The very same thing here has happened twice in the last few months. They, the powers that be, are hoping to shock the nation senseless and into surrendering our arms, but the largest number of the people have seen through the whole as being nothing other than planned operations from the get-go.
In the Aurora shooting, there were TWO shooters. But the police adamantly declared that there was only one. The witnesses went before the cameras and told what they saw: TWO SHOOTERS. There were TWO gas masks found outside the theater emergency exit. And now the Judge in the case has issued a gag order against ANYONE speaking about what they saw. Rather interesting, I'd say.
And then in the Sikh temple shooting, there were 4 shooters as witnesses described the scene, including witnessing those individual casing the place in the days preceding the shooting. Witnesses also reported seeing the other three shooters exiting and leaving the scene. Yet the cops are adamant that ONLY ONE shooter was involved. Now the story has change yet again with the police first saying that they shot dead one of the shooter, but now a few days later they're saying that the dead shooter shot himself. The official story on both cases has changed so many times that its more than abundantly clear that both of them are indeed set-ups made to happen by the Federal Government of the United States, with the local police in collusion.

Can you help prove my innocence. Who did it.

Aquarius-WY wrote:

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What you fail to grasp is that we are committed. We are committed to restoring our republic to preprogressive days.

Yeah....How's that going for ya! cause from where I sit....it looks like you are doomed to turn your "right to bare arms law" against one another and not the government or those oposing that stance.

Dr Freud wrote:

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Australian arms merchants:
Thales Australia (formerly Australian Defence Industries Ltd)
Australian Submarine Corporation
BAE Systems Australia
Boeing Australia
Need I say: HYPOCRITE!!!

Shouldn't that read Thales (Winchester) Australia you moron, I reiterate...America is the largest suppliers of weapons in the world, we need to stop them from supplying arms that are killing millions first and foremost and all those they use to make and sell these weapons....America is the greatest threat to world peace.

Aquarius-WY wrote:

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Yeah so?
The point is ... Australia was incapable of doing it alone, and we bailed your asses out ... again.

Hang on I can't hear you singing "America the beautiful" while they are shoving the propaganda flag up your arse you brainwashed idiots will take credit for everything...you are like the piggy kid at the table...

Dr Freud wrote:
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Thank you! That was the quote I was looking for, when I spoke of the Port Arthur massacre as being a false flag op. The individual involved had been prepped beforehand by the police and enticed to commit the act in order that the law waiting to be introduced would have a chance at passage.
The very same thing here has happened twice in the last few months. They, the powers that be, are hoping to shock the nation senseless and into surrendering our arms, but the largest number of the people have seen through the whole as being nothing other than planned operations from the get-go.
In the Aurora shooting, there were TWO shooters. But the police adamantly declared that there was only one. The witnesses went before the cameras and told what they saw: TWO SHOOTERS. There were TWO gas masks found outside the theater emergency exit. And now the Judge in the case has issued a gag order against ANYONE speaking about what they saw. Rather interesting, I'd say.
And then in the Sikh temple shooting, there were 4 shooters as witnesses described the scene, including witnessing those individual casing the place in the days preceding the shooting. Witnesses also reported seeing the other three shooters exiting and leaving the scene. Yet the cops are adamant that ONLY ONE shooter was involved. Now the story has change yet again with the police first saying that they shot dead one of the shooter, but now a few days later they're saying that the dead shooter shot himself. The official story on both cases has changed so many times that its more than abundantly clear that both of them are indeed set-ups made to happen by the Federal Government of the United States, with the local police in collusion.

HEEEELP!Can you help prove my innocence. Who did it.

Marauder wrote:

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"People buy guns with an intent to kill and most of the time the things they have in their sights are other people"
Liar. The number of guns and gunowners in America prove this to a total lie on your part with no facts to support it.
"I liken gunshops and arms sellers to drug cartels."
Not surprizing that you have already been indoctrinated to believe that a legal activity is just as bad as an illegal activity...you must be a product of the United Nations...working toward a socialist, one world gov't.
I liken the ignorant use of computers and the internet to undermine the legal activities of one country by or in support of another country as "digital terrorism". You are a threat against the lawful activities of a country and the people of that country and YOU need to be stopped.

You know I have to ask if some of you Yanks get sarcasm....or do you have trouble with comprehending the written word....read that sentence again....it is not saying everyone is going to shoot everyone because everyone owns a gun
"are you with me so far?" It means that they have that right to shoot and kill if the need or chance arises...the right to bare arms means exactly that "the right to shoot and kill" anyone that trespasses. SHOOT TO KILL IS WHAT THAT MEANS!....Sorry I shouted.... thought I would shout the last part just in case you don't get it.

Ahomana wrote:

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You know I have to ask if some of you Yanks get sarcasm....or do you have trouble with comprehending the written word....read that sentence again....it is not saying everyone is going to shoot everyone because everyone owns a gun
"are you with me so far?" It means that they have that right to shoot and kill if the need or chance arises...the right to bare arms means exactly that "the right to shoot and kill" anyone that trespasses. SHOOT TO KILL IS WHAT THAT MEANS!....Sorry I shouted.... thought I would shout the last part just in case you don't get it.

The resident loud-mouth is back with another gobfull of shit.......your patronising manner is an embarassment...to yourself more than anyone else......

Foo wrote:

<quoted text>The resident loud-mouth is back with another gobfull of shit.......your patronising manner is an embarassment...to yourself more than anyone else......

Cheers Foo-l, nice to see you had something relevant to say you dumb arse troll...

BLOODY WAR IN AFGANISTAN!

Operation Enduring Freedom 2001-2012

1,912 US Casualties

US Domestic Gunnut Murders for the single YEAR 2011

8775 Gunnut Murders.(2nd Amend gunnuts)
226 Justifiable Homicides(2nd Amend Militia)

Ahomana wrote:

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You know I have to ask if some of you Yanks get sarcasm....or do you have trouble with comprehending the written word....read that sentence again....it is not saying everyone is going to shoot everyone because everyone owns a gun
"are you with me so far?" It means that they have that right to shoot and kill if the need or chance arises...the right to bare arms means exactly that "the right to shoot and kill" anyone that trespasses. SHOOT TO KILL IS WHAT THAT MEANS!....Sorry I shouted.... thought I would shout the last part just in case you don't get it.

Why do you prove yourself an idiot?

It is a shame the nice , intelligent people from OZ are not properly represented on this forum.

You don't understand US law but anyone with a walnut for a brain could do the math.

With over a million LEAGLE gun owners who do you think is doing the murdering.

You can't shoot someone for what is the LEAGLE definition of trespass.

Why don't you try to formulate some intelligent questions before committing yourself to insane ignorance ?

Dr Freud wrote:

Wave after wave of effluvium just keeps rolling in with the mutual admiration society!

Total Murders
Florida USA 987
Australia 226

Firearm Murders
Florida 618
Australia 69

POP Fl 19million
POP AUST 22million
Surely it is not because of guns being available to innappropriate gunnuts.

If you subtract the Florida Firearm Murders from the Total Murders, then the Florida murders look like a Australia.
It must be the guns stupid

Dr Freud wrote:

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I guess, according to you, that the upwards of 2.5 million people each year who resort to guns for self-defense don't count in your remarks above? And in the largest number of those 2.5 million times, the gun is never discharged. Are you therefore willing to dismiss those instances as 'lost cases?'

So would the opinion stand if i were to say wherever there is crime people should carry guns?
Has america bought this among themselves? do we need guns in new zealand?

guns are made for the intention to injure and kill right but the likelyhood swings more towards killing and severe injury. i think before we hand guns to several other million users there needs to be a reassurance that these people need to go through compulsory training and not just a gun license. we do not have armed cops here. we have an armed defenders squad in new zealand.

what is the criteria for getting a gun? what if i am a criminal who hasnt been caught yet. along the lines of operating lethal machinery one could say a vehicle presented these dangers. there needs to be strict guidelines on when and where to use it. common sense is not that common believe it or not.

if gun laws are passed i know where to invest my money. is it the same arms company that are providing for your wars in the middle east the carlyle group?
criminals in any shape of form will always be around. what would the police be if the world was crime free.

Where Is My America wrote:

<quoted text>Why do you prove yourself an idiot?
It is a shame the nice , intelligent people from OZ are not properly represented on this forum.

A: Ditto

You don't understand US law but anyone with a walnut for a brain could do the math.
With over a million LEAGLE gun owners who do you think is doing the murdering.
You can't shoot someone for what is the LEAGLE definition of trespass.
Why don't you try to formulate some intelligent questions before committing yourself to insane ignorance

A: And Foo has a go at me for patronising you....sigh!

Light Bearer wrote:

Total Murders
Florida USA 987
Australia 226
Firearm Murders
Florida 618
Australia 69
POP Fl 19million
POP AUST 22million
Surely it is not because of guns being available to innappropriate gunnuts.
If you subtract the Florida Firearm Murders from the Total Murders, then the Florida murders look like a Australia.
It must be the guns stupid.

Has Australia been to the moon yet? Do I really have to list again all the things the U.S. has done that Australia could not do even on their best day? You don't even start to compare and your pitiful attempt with numbers just don't wash.

Light Bearer wrote:

"It’s not as if a 19-year-old in the United States is more evil than a 19-year-old in Australia—there’s no evidence for that," Hemenway explains. "But a 19-year-old in America can very easily get a pistol. That’s very hard to do in Australia. So when there’s a bar fight in Australia, somebody gets punched out or hit with a beer bottle. Here, they get shot."
From a REAL DR Hemenway (hated by gunnuts)

So you think the larger or more powerful person should be the victor in a fight they probably started and the weaker person should just accept the beating? You think if you are just minding your own business and a larger person comes along and decided to attack you with the chance of severe bodily harm or death you should just take it?

Tray wrote:

<quoted text> So you think the larger or more powerful person should be the victor in a fight they probably started and the weaker person should just accept the beating? You think if you are just minding your own business and a larger person comes along and decided to attack you with the chance of severe bodily harm or death you should just take it?

Tray , if this idiot had a life he would not be so strung out on ours.

He is just making up for his pathetic existence.

Tray wrote:

<quoted text> Has Australia been to the moon yet? Do I really have to list again all the things the U.S. has done that Australia could not do even on their best day? You don't even start to compare and your pitiful attempt with numbers just don't wash.

You have listed all that before.

But you have never explained why

you keep SHOOTING EACH OTHER IN THE HEAD.

Should be easy to answer.
It aint Rocket Science.