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LMR
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Wat the Tyler wrote: Religion is going the way of the dinosaurs. Religion was a result of evolution. Primitive humans believed in religion because religion gave false answers to the big questions humans didn't understand like what created us and the purpose of life. Humans now have reached the point in our history where religion is obsolete. Humans don't need religion anymore because we do know now where we came from. That's why religion is dying across the world. Religion will probably cease to exist sometime in the 21st century. It is true that there is a strong correlation between ignorance and the proportion of religious people in a society. However, even if we are reasonably enlightened about the true nature of things, religion will always exist because we cannot know everything and most people can't think for themselves.
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nanoanomaly wrote: <quoted text>Not a group? Who do you think you're fooling? Atheists have regular meetings all the time. The numbers of members may not compare with that of the major religions but atheists do have organized groups all around the world. No not a group. Some atheists may form groups and some may not. These groups would be social. Has nothing to do with other atheists. Each atheist is a separate individual. No doctrine. Just a lack of belief in a deity. ZBJ
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LMR wrote: <quoted text> It is true that there is a strong correlation between ignorance and the proportion of religious people in a society. However, even if we are reasonably enlightened about the true nature of things, religion will always exist because we cannot know everything and most people can't think for themselves. Some people feel comfortable with their existance , and have no need to ask the age old question "Why?"....others have a need to satisfy their spirituality in some ways.....freedom of choice is a most basic human thing , including freedom of spritual belief and tolerance....Atheism is simlply another ideology really , and at times is far too intolerant....
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Blunt
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LMR wrote: <quoted text> It is true that there is a strong correlation between ignorance and the proportion of religious people in a society. However, even if we are reasonably enlightened about the true nature of things, religion will always exist because we cannot know everything and most people can't think for themselves. Totally incorrect.If one chooses to "believe" , its's a choice that cannot be challenged by athiests , without athiests committing hypocracy......You have 'belief' confused with 'ignorance' and vice versa......an athiest or free thinker is not "" enlightened about the true nature of things"" , simply because he sais so........atheism without tolerance of spritual freedom , is just another ideoligy and nothing more.......
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JJJ
Sydney, Australia
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Ahomana wrote: <quoted text> Seriosly who cares....your mate is wasting his time and yours....the rules on how to interperate the bible have changed, so he is closing the gate after the horse has bolted.....most Catholics are already being taught to read it in the liturgical sense.... What a contradictory and humerous comment to make..... it would appear that you've just wasted your time to reply and comment on something that you feel no one else cares about...... strange indeed. And then taking into account how many thousands of different religious faiths that exists, not to mention the billions of members they collectively have....... your 'who cares' comment is somewhat ignorant, arrogant or both. Religion has originated from primitive man's desire to understand the big question..... why and how are we here and so on..... and as the answer to those questions still eludes us (well most of us) I think in regard to this.. Ahomana wrote: <, so he is closing the gate after the horse has bolted......... .... we can also add that your comment is a little premature as well. My friend's book has nothing to do with 'rules on bible interpretation'..... for god's sake man (and no I'm not name dropping) blind freddy knows that there are as many different interpretations on what the book supposingly means as there are people that read it. No his book is a very interesting (well to some) read on the common historical origins of religion in general with empahasis on the commonalities that Christianity share with the so called pagan religions that it has fought so hard and for so long to wipe out. And as much as this may come as a complete and utter shock to you......just because you are not interested in a particular topic....there is still a possibility, as remote as it may seem to you...... that others are.
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JJJ
Sydney, Australia
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Ahomana wrote: <quoted text> Seriosly who cares....your mate is wasting his time Oh and just to add.....his second book 'Chronicles of the Unholy Fathers - A response to the claim of Papal infallibibity.'... a very interesting read indeed... Has sold in excess of 5000 copies to date, by no means making him a literary giant but at $20.00 a pop if you buy directly from him and much more elsewhere.......hardly a waste of time either..... Now if you were to tell me that you had written a book on quilt making and patchwork I could probably respond 'Who cares'..... but if I did I'm sure there would be no shortage of people ready to tell me just how wrong I was...
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Celtic Bard
Melbourne, Australia
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Palawa wrote: <quoted text> So the otters just wanted to wipe out their entire food supplies, sounds like the actions of human ideologists, rather than animals. So you jumped in pond and checked to see there were no other fish in the water, or maybe they were wiping out and fish species which had invaded and was destroying the sustainability of the water way for every one. You god nutters are really infantile in your stupid apologetic claims. Of course wild animals kill, they have to eat and they rarely never step outside food game to kill. Plus they are pretty isolated cases and the damage is minimal when you consider the destruction cause by life on the planet by god nutters and all ideologists. Romancing animals behaviour, grow up fool, its called reality, something you don't seem to have a clue about. Again and again, you reinvent the height of your own ignorance. I don't particularly care for your cult and its complete ignorance, other than its own terms of reference.....naive fool. So you are espousing to be a fauna expert now! Read the link below total hippy moron as this totally contradicts your lies, blatant fool lies. You have romanced animal behaviour... http://www.cracked.com/article_16762_the-6-bi...
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Celtic Bard
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Palaaalwawwal: "Plus they are pretty isolated cases and the damage is minimal when you consider the destruction cause by life on the planet by god nutters and all ideologists". LOL....back pedalling again...Ha!
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“Why do creationists lie?”
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Blunt wrote: <quoted text>Some people feel comfortable with their existance , and have no need to ask the age old question "Why?"....others have a need to satisfy their spirituality in some ways.....freedom of choice is a most basic human thing , including freedom of spritual belief and tolerance....Atheism is simlply another ideology really , and at times is far too intolerant.... Atheism is a lack of belief in god and nothing else. Time and time again we see the idiots that follow religion both trying and failing to redefine Atheism, in order to try and sound convincing and correct. Nobody is infringing your freedom of choice to imagine up whatever ludicrous evindence-less theory for life existing. But when you go around building huge f-off buildings and telling everyone that they are wrong and should be saved unless they pray to your imagination, then you're not tolerant. Atheists have had enough of the lying crap coming out of ignorant theists mouths for the last 100s of years.
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You theists need to clean up that crap that comes out of your mouths before you try and parade your made up judgemental nonsense around
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LMR
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Blunt wrote: <quoted text>Totally incorrect.If one chooses to "believe" , its's a choice that cannot be challenged by athiests , without athiests committing hypocracy......You have 'belief' confused with 'ignorance' and vice versa......an athiest or free thinker is not "" enlightened about the true nature of things"" , simply because he sais so........atheism without tolerance of spritual freedom , is just another ideoligy and nothing more....... By the true nature of things I meant the science of astronomy and physics and evolution etc. This does not mean that any of us knows how exactly we should live our lives - we all use our own value judgements in this respect. With a devout follower of a religion, the process or arriving at a value judgement may be overly swayed by the doctrine espoused by religious leaders who insisist that their views are specially ordained.
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LMR wrote: <quoted text> By the true nature of things I meant the science of astronomy and physics and evolution etc. This does not mean that any of us knows how exactly we should live our lives - we all use our own value judgements in this respect. With a devout follower of a religion, the process or arriving at a value judgement may be overly swayed by the doctrine espoused by religious leaders who insisist that their views are specially ordained. The fact is that all people attracted to religion want to feel special. They all want to "belong" to something greater than themselves. The harsh truth is that none of them are special. Because people make themselves special. By doing great things. Not because some imaginary magical guy pointed a finger at you from the sky who you were depressed, feeling guilty, stressed, worried or plain old tripping out. Did you hear that believers? you're not special! You're ordinary and no better than the rest of us! In fact sometimes you're much much worse! Because you judge and hate others based upon your own inadequacy.
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LMR
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-Skeptic- wrote: <quoted text> The fact is that all people attracted to religion want to feel special. They all want to "belong" to something greater than themselves. The harsh truth is that none of them are special. Because people make themselves special. By doing great things. Not because some imaginary magical guy pointed a finger at you from the sky who you were depressed, feeling guilty, stressed, worried or plain old tripping out. Did you hear that believers? you're not special! You're ordinary and no better than the rest of us! In fact sometimes you're much much worse! Because you judge and hate others based upon your own inadequacy. I always thought it absurd for people to imagine firstly that it is possible for a being to be omnipresent and omnipotent, and that such a being would care about every single deed of every single insignificant character on the face of the Earth through all eternity. People need to get over themselves.
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LMR
Melbourne, Australia
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Blunt wrote: <quoted text>Some people feel comfortable with their existance , and have no need to ask the age old question "Why?"....others have a need to satisfy their spirituality in some ways.....freedom of choice is a most basic human thing , including freedom of spritual belief and tolerance....Atheism is simlply another ideology really , and at times is far too intolerant.... You can be spiritually connected without believing in a God. Enough people have told convincing witness accounts of ghosts for me to believe in their existence. No-one has ever seen a God and there is no evidence of one and such a being does not make any sense so I don't believe in "God" but I do believe there are spirits.
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“Why do creationists lie?”
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LMR wrote: <quoted text> You can be spiritually connected without believing in a God. Enough people have told convincing witness accounts of ghosts for me to believe in their existence. No-one has ever seen a God and there is no evidence of one and such a being does not make any sense so I don't believe in "God" but I do believe there are spirits. Ghosts aren't real. Same category as god. People hallucinate all the time. Again with ghost victims its all about attention.
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Aisha S
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nanoanomaly wrote: <quoted text>Yes, we are, very much. Many of us live lives full of deception which includes our delusion of believing that we are more virtuous than other animals. We claim to live by moral codes that the less intelligent beasts could, or can, but we are far worse in our delighting in murdering our perceived enemies "en masse". Many humans simply "pretend" to experience love and compassion, or remorse. They don't "feel" those emotions but know that society expects them to and go on living their lives/lies believing that they are superior to the other beasts. Strange, huh? Much better is the "milk of human kindness."
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EdSed wrote: <quoted text>The very idea of segregating children according to their parents religious beliefs is wrong-headed, outdated and potentially dangerous, especially in a multi-cultural society. Religion has no place in a modern society, as I think young people are mostly aware (in the UK). I think John Lennon put it best... http://www.youtube.com/watch... Religion = superstition I agree. And my old school has a lot to do with that.
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EdSed wrote: <quoted text>As an atheist, I totally disagree. Atheists naturally (and quite correctly) complain about being discriminated against. The USA is a classic case. Few who are openly atheist could be elected there. What is wanted is less discrimination, not for atheists to be reduced to the behaviour of religionists. There is more to a person than their religious beliefs. One need have nothing but contempt for religious superstitions and dogma, I agree, but one shouldn't be prejudiced against people. Some who are religious may be more intelligent, practical or have better political policies than I. We want to put religion into perspective and into its place, not replace religious prejudice with an atheist one. I agree, to actively discriminate against someone because they hold religious convictions is to simply replace religious dogma with atheist dogma - and any form of dogma has the capacity to abuse, whatever its basis.
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JJJ wrote: <quoted text> What a contradictory and humerous comment to make..... it would appear that you've just wasted your time to reply and comment on something that you feel no one else cares about...... strange indeed. And then taking into account how many thousands of different religious faiths that exists, not to mention the billions of members they collectively have....... your 'who cares' comment is somewhat ignorant, arrogant or both. Religion has originated from primitive man's desire to understand the big question..... why and how are we here and so on..... and as the answer to those questions still eludes us (well most of us) I think in regard to this.. <quoted text>.... we can also add that your comment is a little premature as well. My friend's book has nothing to do with 'rules on bible interpretation'..... for god's sake man (and no I'm not name dropping) blind freddy knows that there are as many different interpretations on what the book supposingly means as there are people that read it. No his book is a very interesting (well to some) read on the common historical origins of religion in general with empahasis on the commonalities that Christianity share with the so called pagan religions that it has fought so hard and for so long to wipe out. And as much as this may come as a complete and utter shock to you......just because you are not interested in a particular topic....there is still a possibility, as remote as it may seem to you...... that others are. I was stating that what your friend is writing about has been done to death and the fact that even the staunch faiths are changing how they teach the undestanding of their faith...and there will always be suckers in this world trying to find something to believe in so book selling especially if it is about the bible will find a never ending supply of mugs looking for proof some small spark that there really is a god(and there isn't) so people who pander to these people are just taking advantage of the vulnerable, weak and nuts.....methinks
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LMR
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-Skeptic- wrote: <quoted text> Ghosts aren't real. Same category as god. People hallucinate all the time. Again with ghost victims its all about attention. I am not generally a gullible person and I don't think the stories told were from attention-seeking types and nor did they portray themselves as victims. The human body has a organs to operates the body and a brain that controls and creates thought but what gives us our consciousness and vitality? Science holds that all energy is transferable so is it such a stretch to conceive of a life energy (spirit) which recycles itself once the body breaks down?
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