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Virgin Island wrote: <quoted text> You could be wrong about the Serbs there. Given the explicitly pro-European stance of the incumbent Serb government, there is a growing opinion within Mother Russia that the Serbs are no longer their friends. However, true to their strategy to plant the seeds of conflict between Western and Central Europe, ruskies may still be willing to play the Serbian card for a while. I wonder what other conflict areas in Europe ruskies are gonna cling to and make fuss about, once the Serbia/Kosovo issue is entirely forgotten? Serbia may become mentally strongly divided like Ukraine to pro russian and pro western parties.
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Matti wrote: <quoted text> Serbia may become mentally strongly divided like Ukraine to pro russian and pro western parties. finish your thought plese: and then what? Are they civilized enough to disagree and still work together for the common good?
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Bear wrote: <quoted text> finish your thought plese: and then what? Are they civilized enough to disagree and still work together for the common good? Native Ukrainians for always have liked to be independent from Russia and Western Ukraine has actually been part of Central Europe. Russians transferred to Ukraina during USSR are not really sure what to do and they can easily be manipulated from Moscow (like Russians in Baltic Republics). Serbia during history has often been hostile to Western Europe (Austria) and often pro Russia where Orthodox church and slavic brotherhood have helped. Had Serbia been closer to Russia (like Ukraine has been) the relationship with Russia for sure had not been so warm. What I know Serbs, many of them are really arrogant and narrow minded people.
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Matti wrote: <quoted text> Native Ukrainians for always have liked to be independent from Russia and Western Ukraine has actually been part of Central Europe. Russians transferred to Ukraina during USSR are not really sure what to do and they can easily be manipulated from Moscow (like Russians in Baltic Republics). Serbia during history has often been hostile to Western Europe (Austria) and often pro Russia where Orthodox church and slavic brotherhood have helped. Had Serbia been closer to Russia (like Ukraine has been) the relationship with Russia for sure had not been so warm. What I know Serbs, many of them are really arrogant and narrow minded people. Too bad! If they indeed split in ideology like you suggest then they had beter learn to tolerate and work together. In the words of the great American Statesman Benjamin Franklin, "If we don't hang together we will most certainly hang separately". I wish them well and hope they avoid the morass of "we did, they did" thinking.
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“Hope for Best- Expect Worst”
Joined: Jan 2, 2007
Somewhere in Colorado
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Bear wrote: <quoted text> Here she coomes; right on schedule. Foaming at the mouth and blowing steam out her ears. Poor aby-- nobody wuvs her. The truth hurts doesnt' it. And the good marks prove that the comments are right on the mark. You wish. My comments are clearly calm, cool,collected and truthful, putting you and your ridicuoulous accusations in your place. Rave on looney tunes.
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“Hope for Best- Expect Worst”
Joined: Jan 2, 2007
Somewhere in Colorado
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Matti wrote: <quoted text> Native Ukrainians for always have liked to be independent from Russia and Western Ukraine has actually been part of Central Europe. Russians transferred to Ukraina during USSR are not really sure what to do and they can easily be manipulated from Moscow (like Russians in Baltic Republics). Serbia during history has often been hostile to Western Europe (Austria) and often pro Russia where Orthodox church and slavic brotherhood have helped. Had Serbia been closer to Russia (like Ukraine has been) the relationship with Russia for sure had not been so warm. What I know Serbs, many of them are really arrogant and narrow minded people. Such a biased and prejudiced remark certainly makes it easy to dismiss your hate-filled remarks. In truth if there are two opinions in Ukraine it is because a part of Ukraine (Galician Ukraine) was taken over as part of the Austro-hungarian enpire, and many ukrainians lived int parts of poland, Hungary, Slovakia and Rumania. And even then the Ukrainians were mainly Orthodox and not catholic. But the big majorithy of Ukrainians have originated in Kieven Rus with Russians and Belarussians and have been a part of the Russian empire, so you are skewing your remarks to fit your biased hatred of Russians. Still using Russian folk Songs to interject some excitement into Finland as you whine about once being part of the Russian empire. SErbians will never forget what NATO did to Serbia. And Serbians have looked to Russia, because they were being killed by the Muslim Bosnians. As Slavs, the Serbians would naturally look to other Slavs. And most Ukrainians do not hate Russians and they will realize that they are being used as pawns by the haters of Russia who are kissing up to Ukrainians now in order to Get NATO in and then Ukrainians will see NATO and the wests true colors. But do go on with your prejudicial and biased remarks. I love it when so-called Neutral and nice countries,let their hair down and show their true colors. Oh and have to run in big gangs in order to try to throw their weight around. I knew Finland was a fake.
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“Hope for Best- Expect Worst”
Joined: Jan 2, 2007
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Matti wrote: <quoted text>
What I know Serbs, many of them are really arrogant and narrow minded people. What your mean is that Serbs don't hate Russians and don't put them down and appreciate Russia's role in Defeating the NAZIs and probably didn't pat you Finns on the back for surroundint Leningrd for 3 winters and two summers and helpign to kill 1.4 million helpless and innocent men, women and children. I;ll bet the Sergs didn't make you feel heroic for that disgusting deed, did they. I'll bet you consider the Bosnians who fought with the Germans and are muslims as great warm and loving people, because they murdered SErbs in WWII. YOu are such a phoney, and easy to dismiss.
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“Hope for Best- Expect Worst”
Joined: Jan 2, 2007
Somewhere in Colorado
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Bear wrote: <quoted text> Too bad! If they indeed split in ideology like you suggest then they had beter learn to tolerate and work together. In the words of the great American Statesman Benjamin Franklin, "If we don't hang together we will most certainly hang separately". I wish them well and hope they avoid the morass of "we did, they did" thinking. It really bugs you that the Serbs appreciate Russians and do not hate them. It sort of spoils your hate-Russia-for-no-good-reason doesn't it? After all if everyone doesnt' hate Russians,maybe your extreme prejudice and bias will shine clearly.
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biomed_guy wrote: But wouldn't the article suggest that 3 out of 4 Russians don't see Ukraine as an enemy? Wouldn't 21% be insignificant? Welcome back guy. We've missed you. You help the new movement toward sanity and civility on the forum. Many of us are "taking away Stefanya's Audience" by not responding to her in any way. Join us please. Today is the Day of Port holiday in Yuzhne. It celebrates the anniversary of the opening of the Port of Yuzhne. It was supposed to be earlier in the month but was postponed because it conflicted with the Ivana Kupala holiday. Television says that Yulia is coming to the Day of Port. I hope I can see her. Not much chance but I would like to shake her hand. Anyway, welcome back. IDI. YKPAIHA
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“Privet”
Joined: Apr 29, 2007
Big Lake, Alaska USA
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Stefanya wrote: <quoted text> Such a biased and prejudiced remark certainly makes it easy to dismiss your hate-filled remarks. In truth if there are two opinions in Ukraine it is because a part of Ukraine (Galician Ukraine) was taken over as part of the Austro-hungarian enpire, and many ukrainians lived int parts of poland, Hungary, Slovakia and Rumania. And even then the Ukrainians were mainly Orthodox and not catholic. But the big majorithy of Ukrainians have originated in Kieven Rus with Russians and Belarussians and have been a part of the Russian empire, so you are skewing your remarks to fit your biased hatred of Russians. Still using Russian folk Songs to interject some excitement into Finland as you whine about once being part of the Russian empire. SErbians will never forget what NATO did to Serbia. And Serbians have looked to Russia, because they were being killed by the Muslim Bosnians. As Slavs, the Serbians would naturally look to other Slavs. And most Ukrainians do not hate Russians and they will realize that they are being used as pawns by the haters of Russia who are kissing up to Ukrainians now in order to Get NATO in and then Ukrainians will see NATO and the wests true colors. But do go on with your prejudicial and biased remarks. I love it when so-called Neutral and nice countries,let their hair down and show their true colors. Oh and have to run in big gangs in order to try to throw their weight around. I knew Finland was a fake. Still spewing your bullsh*t in regards to the Mongul offspring aka Russians? Ya, Ukraine can expect the same love from Russia that Russia shows Belarusians. Now shut it you Kremlin propoganda mouth peice. Your sh*t stinks just like it did durring the times of the SU and it's phoney arse propodanda. Nobody but uneducated Russians bought into it back then, and nothing has changed since. Now go crawl back into your hole like the ignorant, lying snake that you are.
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“The Devil's Advocate!”
Joined: Aug 29, 2007
Arras, France/London, UK
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Why_Me wrote: <quoted text> Still spewing your bullsh*t in regards to the Mongul offspring aka Russians? Ya, Ukraine can expect the same love from Russia that Russia shows Belarusians. Now shut it you Kremlin propoganda mouth peice. Your sh*t stinks just like it did durring the times of the SU and it's phoney arse propodanda. Nobody but uneducated Russians bought into it back then, and nothing has changed since. Now go crawl back into your hole like the ignorant, lying snake that you are. So, you are drunk again, I take it...
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Bear wrote: <quoted text> Hey Guy- I posted this on another thread also but in case you missed it: The masrutkas you were asking about are marked with the emblem ETALON. I as our son, Sergei, about them and he says they are made by a Ukrainian company. They look and sound pretty high tech. Go Ykpaina. Yes! That's them! I don't know if they are high tech but for a tall person like me I love them. Good that they are built in Ukraine.
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uther pendragon wrote: <quoted text> And why precisely? A choice by YKPAIHA either pro- or anti-NATO would in no way destabilize anything. It is simple democracy in action. Are you suggesting NATO may destabilize them "if they fail to comply"? That would be an argument "to keep the bear out". Maybe you're right that it won't destabilize much. But it would be another dash of hope of the Orange Revolution. I suppose Ukrainians are used to their government doing what they want against Ukrainians' wishes.
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Bear wrote: <quoted text> Many of us are "taking away Stefanya's Audience" by not responding to her in any way. Join us please. Who?
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Bear wrote: <quoted text> Today is the Day of Port holiday in Yuzhne. It celebrates the anniversary of the opening of the Port of Yuzhne. It was supposed to be earlier in the month but was postponed because it conflicted with the Ivana Kupala holiday. Television says that Yulia is coming to the Day of Port. I hope I can see her. Not much chance but I would like to shake her hand. I was talking to one of my Ukrainian friends the other day and she told me that I was in Yuzhne with her about 4 or 5 years ago to drop something off at her father's apartment. He was getting a new apartment from the Ukrainian army on his retirement. He was living in Tiraspol (don't ask me to explain that because I don't know). He owns many apartments and evidently did well in the army. Say hi to Yulia for me!:)
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biomed_guy wrote: <quoted text> Who? I hope this person and everybody else reads these links. Although they are a couple of years old, this guy really describes Ukrainians (and Russians) well. Should be required reading before posting on this forum. There is nothing wrong with the way they do things. They just do it differently. Click around on this site but some pages: Culture Differences http://www.tryukraine.com/society/cultural_di... Business Culture http://www.tryukraine.com/society/business_cu... Bear, read this one. Pay attention to what he says that many Ukrainians do with their feet while on the john. I never thought of it before. http://www.tryukraine.com/info/gripes.shtml
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WWII is over and done with. What happened then does not determine much to do with the times now. I was downtown Kharkiv today and they had a gathering to honor Lenin at his statue. Maybe 30 people were there - most in uniform - and on my way home they had a person doing recruiting for the communist party. I was waiting for the trolley for about 10 minutes and no one talked to this man. He was a older gentleman. The communist party is dead in Ukraine or nearly dead. Kharkiv was a major city of theirs when I arrived in the country and they have turned from them do to the lack of improvement in this city. Probably the worst in all of Ukraine for larger cities.
Stefanya - I probably agree with you on very few points about history but that is ok. You have your right to think as you want and say what you want. I also know that comment section about your removal. Let me put it this way. You catch more bees with honey than with vinegar. The only way to possibly change each others minds is to study facts and talk.
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Bear, I wanted to warn you about something. Maybe you have your own laptop. Maybe you are using your families computer and maybe you are smarter than I was. Do not use Windows Update on a Ukrainian computer. It will cease to operate. As the Ukrainian computer guy told me as he was reloading software, "There is only one genuine copy of Windows in Ukraine and you don't have it".
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“Privet”
Joined: Apr 29, 2007
Big Lake, Alaska USA
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biomed_guy wrote: Bear, I wanted to warn you about something. Maybe you have your own laptop. Maybe you are using your families computer and maybe you are smarter than I was. Do not use Windows Update on a Ukrainian computer. It will cease to operate. As the Ukrainian computer guy told me as he was reloading software, "There is only one genuine copy of Windows in Ukraine and you don't have it". LOL It's the same in Belarus. :(
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“Hope for Best- Expect Worst”
Joined: Jan 2, 2007
Somewhere in Colorado
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JohnK wrote: WWII is over and done with. What happened then does not determine much to do with the times now. I was downtown Kharkiv today and they had a gathering to honor Lenin at his statue. Maybe 30 people were there - most in uniform - and on my way home they had a person doing recruiting for the communist party. I was waiting for the trolley for about 10 minutes and no one talked to this man. He was a older gentleman. The communist party is dead in Ukraine or nearly dead. Kharkiv was a major city of theirs when I arrived in the country and they have turned from them do to the lack of improvement in this city. Probably the worst in all of Ukraine for larger cities. Stefanya - I probably agree with you on very few points about history but that is ok. You have your right to think as you want and say what you want. I also know that comment section about your removal. Let me put it this way. You catch more bees with honey than with vinegar. The only way to possibly change each others minds is to study facts and talk. Well it is very nice to hear from one who shows tolerance and isn't afraid of debate. And I don't know of anyone who wants communism back, but I don't think the answer is to let the governement of Ukraine invite NATO in to stir up trouble where there is none.
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