Armenia, a neighbor behind closed borders

an interesting article.

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ARMAND WAGNER wrote:

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wake up!

Roboturk?

ARMAND WAGNER wrote:

Roboturk?

just Superturk!

ARMAND WAGNER wrote:

Roboturk?

hehe...

Ali T wrote:

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just Superturk!

You mean, Supermongol, lol

Reality Check wrote:

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You mean, Supermongol, lol

if you want..still better than an "armenian supermoron"..hehehe!

Ali T wrote:

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if you want..still better than an "armenian supermoron"..hehehe!

Listen-up SuperQueeny, cut the 1st grade type posts...and go easy on the pills, junky dede ;)

Reality Check wrote:

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Listen-up SuperQueeny, cut the 1st grade type posts...and go easy on the pills, junky dede ;)

you see arsy..
i have never come across an intelligent armenian here except just two single people;garik and hye sis..the rest of you are just dead weights!

beautiful article...

We should also have one about an Armenian Journalist visiting Istanbul! Is there any?

You didn't leave any, remember? 1915? Does that ring a bell? Yeah 93 years is too long for your limited brain to remember.

You mean the Hayasdani Hanrabetoutyoun has got no journalists or journalism industry because they were all killed in 1915, and of course, not knowing all that makes my brain "limited"...

Damn! I feel really stupid!(Must be the mongol genes -that were also SO stupid they conquered the whole world-)

Anyways, Harut, get yourself out of the Laval island for a bit of fresh air, if you please?! ;)

eae1983 wrote:

You mean the Hayasdani Hanrabetoutyoun has got no journalists or journalism industry because they were all killed in 1915, and of course, not knowing all that makes my brain "limited"...
Damn! I feel really stupid!(Must be the mongol genes -that were also SO stupid they conquered the whole world-)
Anyways, Harut, get yourself out of the Laval island for a bit of fresh air, if you please?! ;)

You said it yourself, that you are stupid, i could'nt say it better. Thanx

What do you mean by superturk? come down to earth and think globally dude...what is wrong with this world...when are people going to get it that we are all from the same seed, only some of us have gone evil and think we are super this and super that and can murder others without any consequence.
peace

Yes I am stupid because I am a Turk, and you are smart because you are Hye, and live in Laval, which is like little Armenia in Montreal. As far as I am concerned no matter if I had a Harvard PhD, I am JUST stupid, without any other reasoning. Thanks.

Now reply to my previous question intelligently, will you please.

When you become civilized people, accept the genocide and respect journalists by not killing them, then we will think about sending journalists to itanbul. Quite frankly, there are other places to send journalists, Istanbul is not a priority right now.
And between me and you, you are not a Turk.

Istanbul is a beautiful city, maybe the most beautiful in the world, that its inhabitants love at a passionate level, also where many Armenians live.

A journalist from Yerevan would be most welcome as he would first of all change us from the usual contents of the five weekly Yerevan flights (containing mostly smugglers, mafia and prostitutes) and lift the obscure veil surrounding "Turkey" in Armenia.

Accepting or not accepting the genocide will be done by dialogue, as the defunct -peace on him- Hrant Dink said "the medication for Turks are the Armenians, and the remedy for Armenians are the Turks". Dialogue is done by sitting around a table (eating if you wish cig kofte and pastirma, mmh) and by discussing.
NOT by yelling at each other "ACCEPT IT! DON'T DENY IT!!" or "IT NEVER HAPPENED! NO ARMENIANS WERE KILLED".

You must know that most of the Turks KNOW that Armenians who used to live in Eastern Anatolia, are just not there anymore, the educated ones are aware (and very proud) of the Armenian additions to the Turkish Culture (as are educated armenians proud of their "Turkish" "cultural heritage") and Turks also know that somewhere between 800.000 and 1.500.000 million members of a nation that was the ever closest to us, are just not there anymore.(Allah rahmet eylesin) Now if you call that a genocide, fine that is your definition and I agree with it, and I can even use the word "genocide" when speaking in your own words.
But in my definition, could we compare this to what the Germans did to the Jews? or the Spanish to South and Central America, or the US to the native Americans?(speaking about 23 millions of them gone) or even France to Algeria...
All these people lost their lives because of power and lust. The Jews in Germany were ONLY killed because "they were Jews".

On the other hand, the (western provocated) Armenian revolts came from inside Anatolia in a time when the Empire was fighting in no less than 8 different fronts: The English at the Thrace and Dardanelles, the French in the Northwest and Southeast, the Italians in the Southwest, the Arab revolts in the Peninsula, the Russians in the East, the Circassian revolts in the Center-Northeast, the Pontian revolt in the North, and of course, the Greeks in the Aegean coast.

It really saddened the Empire (and especially the average Turk of the time) that the nation that was the closest to us, that never lived, on the contrary to Greeks, in a village their own, but always shared it with Turks,(as they shared everything, including cuisine, music and gave to turks to marriage their sons and daughters and took girls and boys from them to marry) started an armed revolt. What could the Empire do?

You just read about the Empire fighting in 8 different fronts, thus as ANY army dividing by 8, becoming ULTRA weak.(ie: NO soldiers to contain that revolt)

The Empire then resorted to arm the villagers around the rebellious areas and ordered those armed "villagers" to drive Armenians out of these regions to "safer" places for us, where they could not rebel, namely Syria and Egypt. A huge death toll was the result of scarce resources, virtually no food and water (that you really would need in a place like Der Zor) and uneducated villagers, that now armed, went to clean some grudges, sometimes even in order to claim the better looking house of their Armenian neighbour of whom they were always jealous of.

As I said before, if you call that a genocide, fine I accept and respect your opinion, but you also have to respect mine, as we Turks did not kill Armenians just because they were "Armenians" like Jews or Tutsis were killed just because they were so. There was a World War going on, the Empire was trying to combat in every front, and at the same time to defend itself from the inside aggression, decisions were not always at their utmost rational.

Believe me, it hurts me to know that one of the deepest cultures Anatolia has known until now is not there anymore. One day, if I have the power, I will do all my possible to bring this culture (that I love) back here in Anatolia, once the bridges are established.

On the other hand, it hurts me as much as it hurts good Armenian friends of mine, that the Armenian Culture, one of the best established and deepest cultures in the world, is nowadays mising mostly on the self-victimizing ideas of Genocide that are even found in their pop music, and that relentlessly seeks the help of the West (their greatest error, as far as can I see it) in their long term cause of taking over Anatolia back.

No, the Hayk culture is way more than that!
Armenians must know that if they want to come back to Anatolia, where they will be welcomed, it will definitely be through dialogue, and not through War.

I hope you enjoyed reading my humble opinion on the subject, now can we expect some Yerevansi journalists in Istanbul?? I will be proud to take them for a tour in the City of all Cities and to give them any information they would need!

And between you and me, Armenian Devil, I am a Turk!

(Dear Brother Armo Devil and other People, don't hesitate to message me on facebook, would you have any questions! My real name is "Emir Ali Enç")

eae1983 wrote:

On the other hand, the (western provocated) Armenian revolts came from inside Anatolia in a time when the Empire was fighting in no less than 8 different fronts: The English at the Thrace and Dardanelles, the French in the Northwest and Southeast, the Italians in the Southwest, the Arab revolts in the Peninsula, the Russians in the East, the Circassian revolts in the Center-Northeast, the Pontian revolt in the North, and of course, the Greeks in the Aegean coast.
It really saddened the Empire (and especially the average Turk of the time) that the nation that was the closest to us, that never lived, on the contrary to Greeks, in a village their own, but always shared it with Turks,(as they shared everything, including cuisine, music and gave to turks to marriage their sons and daughters and took girls and boys from them to marry) started an armed revolt. What could the Empire do?
You just read about the Empire fighting in 8 different fronts, thus as ANY army dividing by 8, becoming ULTRA weak.(ie: NO soldiers to contain that revolt)
The Empire then resorted to arm the villagers around the rebellious areas and ordered those armed "villagers" to drive Armenians out of these regions to "safer" places for us, where they could not rebel, namely Syria and Egypt. A huge death toll was the result of scarce resources, virtually no food and water (that you really would need in a place like Der Zor) and uneducated villagers, that now armed, went to clean some grudges, sometimes even in order to claim the better looking house of their Armenian neighbour of whom they were always jealous of.
As I said before, if you call that a genocide, fine I accept and respect your opinion, but you also have to respect mine, as we Turks did not kill Armenians just because they were "Armenians" like Jews or Tutsis were killed just because they were so. There was a World War going on, the Empire was trying to combat in every front, and at the same time to defend itself from the inside aggression, decisions were not always at their utmost rational.
Believe me, it hurts me to know that one of the deepest cultures Anatolia has known until now is not there anymore. One day, if I have the power, I will do all my possible to bring this culture (that I love) back here in Anatolia, once the bridges are established.
On the other hand, it hurts me as much as it hurts good Armenian friends of mine, that the Armenian Culture, one of the best established and deepest cultures in the world, is nowadays mising mostly on the self-victimizing ideas of Genocide that are even found in their pop music, and that relentlessly seeks the help of the West (their greatest error, as far as can I see it) in their long term cause of taking over Anatolia back.
No, the Hayk culture is way more than that!
Armenians must know that if they want to come back to Anatolia, where they will be welcomed, it will definitely be through dialogue, and not through War.
I hope you enjoyed reading my humble opinion on the subject, now can we expect some Yerevansi journalists in Istanbul?? I will be proud to take them for a tour in the City of all Cities and to give them any information they would need!
And between you and me, Armenian Devil, I am a Turk!
(Dear Brother Armo Devil and other People, don't hesitate to message me on facebook, would you have any questions! My real name is "Emir Ali Enç")

I do still insist that you are not a Turk, most probably you are bolsahay or half Armenian. There is different blood in your vains, admit it.
As for your opinions looks and sounds balanced and responsible. Germans, Americans and whatever they did to other nations does not in anyways justify whatever was done to us, don't you agree?