2 Tibetans executed in China over riots last year

So? If someone in America started fatal fires, would they not also be punished?

Would it be an intimidation to the separatists?

Seems like a bleak future for Tibetans under CCP china rule.

My heart goes out to the Tibetans.

GlobeSon wrote:

Seems like a bleak future for Tibetans under CCP china rule.
My heart goes out to the Tibetans.

And the Tibetans feel sorry for you.

The question to me is whether due process of law has been followed in the trial and sentencing of these Tibetans. Who were the lawyers for these individuals and what trial occurred? I am asking these in earnest as I am a Tibetan myself.

Tenzin Boepa wrote:

The question to me is whether due process of law has been followed in the trial and sentencing of these Tibetans. Who were the lawyers for these individuals and what trial occurred? I am asking these in earnest as I am a Tibetan myself.

Why is a Tibetan like you hanging out in the U.S., while you should be back home helping to modernize Tibet and improving the lives of locals? That is what your Chinese neighbors in the U.S. are doing; if they're not returning to China to visit, they're sending their money home to help China modernize. Maybe you should learn something from them.

If Tibet independence is why you're in the U.S., then you should know that's a DEAD cause. After the Dalai Lama is gone, it's over. Then what for the Tibetans overseas? Assimilation by their host countries? Trade tsampa for McFries?

On the long-run, you are better off to go home to help Tibet modernize.

RayH wrote:

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Why is a Tibetan like you hanging out in the U.S., while you should be back home helping to modernize Tibet and improving the lives of locals? That is what your Chinese neighbors in the U.S. are doing; if they're not returning to China to visit, they're sending their money home to help China modernize. Maybe you should learn something from them.
If Tibet independence is why you're in the U.S., then you should know that's a DEAD cause. After the Dalai Lama is gone, it's over. Then what for the Tibetans overseas? Assimilation by their host countries? Trade tsampa for McFries?
On the long-run, you are better off to go home to help Tibet modernize.

It is getting more pessimistic about the Tibet separatist movement especially after the radicals team up with the Uighur/Al-Qaeda terrorist groups.

Some people dislike Dalai Lama. But they may have some respect for him because of his role as a religious leader.(Definitely I disagree with what he does politically and his link to the indepedence movement would ruin his reputation. As a religious leader, I have no resentment about him.) Dalai Lama after all appears to be a more peaceful person (at least that is how he is perceived by many of us in Canada). Unfortunately, radicals like those in the Tibet Youth Congress are collaborating with Al-Qaeda and the Uighur separatists recently, and the Dalai Lama won't be able to control them.

The radicals don't understand that they are digging the grave for their independence cause. People in Canada and other western countries are not stupid. As soon as they know about their collaboration with the terrorists, most people here will refuse to offer them any support.

Indeed the same old same old.
Repetition of Han CCP propaganda lies is all these operative dunces can ever produce:“Tibet is, and always was part of China”.

1) There never was a China in the past.

2) There were a series of feudal empires ruled by rulers of varying ethnicities. During 1279 – 1368 the Han people were completely subjugated and ruled by the Mongols, nothing “Chinese” about that.

3) From 1644 till 1911 the Han people again were ruled by foreign rulers again, the Manchus, nothing Han about that.

4) Tibet ruled itself under the Mongols by Tibetan rulers loyal to the Khans. Tibet had a reciprocal agreement with the Mongols and were in turn their religious teachers and patrons, in return for political allegiance to the Mongols.

5) Tibet had a similar agreement (Cho Yon) with the first Manchu emperor, signed well before he conquered all the Han territory. During the course of the Qing rule the subsequent Emperors showed contempt for this agreement in a display of conceit and haughtiness, and sought to misappropriate the spirit of the relationship and usurp some power over the equal signatory to the agreement through military muscle, which the Tibetans could not match.

6) Thus the Manchus managed to exert some limited degree of influence, and in the course of events perpetrated gross atrocities in Tibet during military success and deluded themselves into believing they had some political suzerainty over the sovereign nation of Tibet. Tibet never ceased to think of itself, or behave in any other way as being a sovereign independent nation.

7) After the fall of the Manchu empire the Tibetans, as a matter of symbolism and declaration for the outside world, reasserted their independence.

8) Sun Yatsen sought to perpetuate the delusional racism of the Han people, and in a fit of the most dissolute racism declared the Han nation a “multiethnic nation”, where only the Han had any power and would rule over all the other subjugated nations.

9) Tibet was a fully independent nation for almost its entire history, bar the interlude of the Mongol empire. The influence the Qing rulers managed to exert falls way short of anything approaching suzerainty, let alone political control. From 1911 until the illegal invasion by the Han hordes, Tibet exercised unfettered independence and was recognized implicitly and explicitly as such by many other nations.

10) Under international law Tibet is, and remains an illegally occupied sovereign nation. The wanton barbarism perpetrated by the Han nation alone disqualifies them from any claim to represent the people of Tibet. Besides all the other points of law and UN covenants and declarations are unequivocally on the side of the Tibetans for an illegally occupied sovereign nation.

11) Today the gratuitous violence and systematic discrimination by the Han occupiers is the subject of countless reports by the UN and NGOs, chronicling a reprehensible litany of abuse, discrimination and exploitation by the illegal occupiers, the Han Chinese. This is poverty and discrimination by design, a wilful policy to disenfranchise the rightful inhabitants of the Tibetan nation, and to resettle it with Han occupiers, and wipe out the last vestiges of Tibetan identity.

This is Hu’s and Wen’s, and their henchman on the spot, Zhang’s policy on minorities, wipe them out and there won’t be anyone left to claim ownership of the occupied territory.

Besides, the institutional racism by the Han nation has created a climate of unimaginable barbarity against the Tibetans by the Han ‘security forces’ and the so called ‘legal system’, and is responsible of a litany of atrocities beyond the scope of anyone’s wildest imagination.

21st century China!!!

Yes Tenzin, go back to Tibet and become a waste product of the Han society and be discarded onto the waste dump of Tibetan misery and desolation!

InfoSharing wrote:

<quoted text>It is getting more pessimistic about the Tibet separatist movement especially after the radicals team up with the Uighur/Al-Qaeda terrorist groups.
Some people dislike Dalai Lama. But they may have some respect for him because of his role as a religious leader.(Definitely I disagree with what he does politically and his link to the indepedence movement would ruin his reputation. As a religious leader, I have no resentment about him.) Dalai Lama after all appears to be a more peaceful person (at least that is how he is perceived by many of us in Canada). Unfortunately, radicals like those in the Tibet Youth Congress are collaborating with Al-Qaeda and the Uighur separatists recently, and the Dalai Lama won't be able to control them.
The radicals don't understand that they are digging the grave for their independence cause. People in Canada and other western countries are not stupid. As soon as they know about their collaboration with the terrorists, most people here will refuse to offer them any support.

After the DaLIE Lama goes, the Tibetan Youth Congress radicals will probably turn to Terrorism. All they need is do one bus bombing in China to cancel all that "peaceful protest" charade put up by the DaLIE Lama for the past 2 decades. Like you said, they'll "dig their own graves," and lose the sympathy of Western governments, NGOs, and people.

Supporting a peaceful movement and a Terrorist movement are two separate animals, as you would note with the ETA Terrorists among Spain's Basque country.

freedomone wrote:

Indeed the same old same old.
Repetition of Han CCP propaganda lies is all these operative dunces can ever produce:“Tibet is, and always was part of China”.
1) There never was a China in the past.
2) There were a series of feudal empires ruled by rulers of varying ethnicities. During 1279 – 1368 the Han people were completely subjugated and ruled by the Mongols, nothing “Chinese” about that.
3) From 1644 till 1911 the Han people again were ruled by foreign rulers again, the Manchus, nothing Han about that.
4) Tibet ruled itself under the Mongols by Tibetan rulers loyal to the Khans. Tibet had a reciprocal agreement with the Mongols and were in turn their religious teachers and patrons, in return for political allegiance to the Mongols.
5) Tibet had a similar agreement (Cho Yon) with the first Manchu emperor, signed well before he conquered all the Han territory. During the course of the Qing rule the subsequent Emperors showed contempt for this agreement in a display of conceit and haughtiness, and sought to misappropriate the spirit of the relationship and usurp some power over the equal signatory to the agreement through military muscle, which the Tibetans could not match.
6) Thus the Manchus managed to exert some limited degree of influence, and in the course of events perpetrated gross atrocities in Tibet during military success and deluded themselves into believing they had some political suzerainty over the sovereign nation of Tibet. Tibet never ceased to think of itself, or behave in any other way as being a sovereign independent nation.
7) After the fall of the Manchu empire the Tibetans, as a matter of symbolism and declaration for the outside world, reasserted their independence.
8) Sun Yatsen sought to perpetuate the delusional racism of the Han people, and in a fit of the most dissolute racism declared the Han nation a “multiethnic nation”, where only the Han had any power and would rule over all the other subjugated nations.
9) Tibet was a fully independent nation for almost its entire history, bar the interlude of the Mongol empire. The influence the Qing rulers managed to exert falls way short of anything approaching suzerainty, let alone political control. From 1911 until the illegal invasion by the Han hordes, Tibet exercised unfettered independence and was recognized implicitly and explicitly as such by many other nations.
10) Under international law Tibet is, and remains an illegally occupied sovereign nation. The wanton barbarism perpetrated by the Han nation alone disqualifies them from any claim to represent the people of Tibet. Besides all the other points of law and UN covenants and declarations are unequivocally on the side of the Tibetans for an illegally occupied sovereign nation.
11) Today the gratuitous violence and systematic discrimination by the Han occupiers is the subject of countless reports by the UN and NGOs, chronicling a reprehensible litany of abuse, discrimination and exploitation by the illegal occupiers, the Han Chinese. This is poverty and discrimination by design, a wilful policy to disenfranchise the rightful inhabitants of the Tibetan nation, and to resettle it with Han occupiers, and wipe out the last vestiges of Tibetan identity.
This is Hu’s and Wen’s, and their henchman on the spot, Zhang’s policy on minorities, wipe them out and there won’t be anyone left to claim ownership of the occupied territory.
Besides, the institutional racism by the Han nation has created a climate of unimaginable barbarity against the Tibetans by the Han ‘security forces’ and the so called ‘legal system’, and is responsible of a litany of atrocities beyond the scope of anyone’s wildest imagination.
21st century China!!!
Yes Tenzin, go back to Tibet and become a waste product of the Han society and be discarded onto the waste dump of Tibetan misery and desolation!

You ever get sick of writing lies for your Falun Gong Masters? Waste of a life.

Tenzin Boepa wrote:

The question to me is whether due process of law has been followed in the trial and sentencing of these Tibetans. Who were the lawyers for these individuals and what trial occurred? I am asking these in earnest as I am a Tibetan myself.

what process? what law? You must be kidding. It's CCP China.

Pray for your Tibetan brothers back home.

RayH wrote:

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Why is a Tibetan like you hanging out in the U.S., while you should be back home helping to modernize Tibet and improving the lives of locals? That is what your Chinese neighbors in the U.S. are doing; if they're not returning to China to visit, they're sending their money home to help China modernize. Maybe you should learn something from them.
If Tibet independence is why you're in the U.S., then you should know that's a DEAD cause. After the Dalai Lama is gone, it's over. Then what for the Tibetans overseas? Assimilation by their host countries? Trade tsampa for McFries?
On the long-run, you are better off to go home to help Tibet modernize.

that's a pretty mean response to a fellow "chinese" (assuming you consider Tibetans as chinese).

Even Tibetans have the right to pursue a good life by working overseas/in US, like many other chinese who denounce the CCP govt do.

You response just shows how much contempt you have towards tibetans, when the gentleman didn't even say anything about your CCP masters.

GlobeSon wrote:

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that's a pretty mean response to a fellow "chinese" (assuming you consider Tibetans as chinese).
Even Tibetans have the right to pursue a good life by working overseas/in US, like many other chinese who denounce the CCP govt do.
You response just shows how much contempt you have towards tibetans, when the gentleman didn't even say anything about your CCP masters.

Only contempt for Tibetan separatists, but not for the good people of Tibet, who are Chinese.

“Separatists” indeed, the vocabulary of the CCP is full of deceit and fallacious innuendo.

Separate from what; the occupier who illegally annexed an independent country?
The barbaric oppressor who treats the indigenous people like third class citizens, and exploits all and everything they can grab, including the entire country, by systematically eradicating the Tibetan race.

It is astounding to say the least with what callousness and conceit Han Chinese can parrot out such vile drivel without even a blush.
But then the Han have a very long history of racism, oppression and exploitation of smaller countries.
No Han has ever shown the least bit of scruples over their barbarism visited upon these hapless races. And in the case of Tibet they continually display a veritable haughtiness of unprecedented malevolence.

The Han nation is a racist empire, the likes of which this planet has never seen before. The old SA decidedly looks like a benevolent and compassionate society by comparison.

freedomone wrote:

“Separatists” indeed, the vocabulary of the CCP is full of deceit and fallacious innuendo.
Separate from what; the occupier who illegally annexed an independent country?
The barbaric oppressor who treats the indigenous people like third class citizens, and exploits all and everything they can grab, including the entire country, by systematically eradicating the Tibetan race.
It is astounding to say the least with what callousness and conceit Han Chinese can parrot out such vile drivel without even a blush.
But then the Han have a very long history of racism, oppression and exploitation of smaller countries.
No Han has ever shown the least bit of scruples over their barbarism visited upon these hapless races. And in the case of Tibet they continually display a veritable haughtiness of unprecedented malevolence.
The Han nation is a racist empire, the likes of which this planet has never seen before. The old SA decidedly looks like a benevolent and compassionate society by comparison.

The only thing that needs to "separate" are you from your delusions. Don't forget to take your pills.

freedomone wrote:

“Separatists” indeed, the vocabulary of the CCP is full of deceit and fallacious innuendo.
Separate from what; the occupier who illegally annexed an independent country?
The barbaric oppressor who treats the indigenous people like third class citizens, and exploits all and everything they can grab, including the entire country, by systematically eradicating the Tibetan race.
It is astounding to say the least with what callousness and conceit Han Chinese can parrot out such vile drivel without even a blush.
But then the Han have a very long history of racism, oppression and exploitation of smaller countries.
No Han has ever shown the least bit of scruples over their barbarism visited upon these hapless races. And in the case of Tibet they continually display a veritable haughtiness of unprecedented malevolence.
The Han nation is a racist empire, the likes of which this planet has never seen before. The old SA decidedly looks like a benevolent and compassionate society by comparison.

It's obvious that a devout RACIST like you (who hates 1/5 of mankind) has never been to Tibet. I've been to Tibet and all the Tibetan inhabited areas in western China. "Systematically eradicating the Tibetan race?" Are you kidding? All I see during my visits is Tibetan culture, religion, language, etc. very WELL PRESERVED, probably the best preserved among the 56 ethnic groups in China.

Like I said, don't forget to take your pills. And go see a psychiatrist for your delusions, you racist shit.

RayH wrote:

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After the DaLIE Lama goes, the Tibetan Youth Congress radicals will probably turn to Terrorism. All they need is do one bus bombing in China to cancel all that "peaceful protest" charade put up by the DaLIE Lama for the past 2 decades. Like you said, they'll "dig their own graves," and lose the sympathy of Western governments, NGOs, and people.
Supporting a peaceful movement and a Terrorist movement are two separate animals, as you would note with the ETA Terrorists among Spain's Basque country.

I'm not so sure Ray. If may be the case but we have seen with Mrs Bin Lardin that there are some who don't mind a few dead bought with their dollars. You still get Al kida operatives and radio free asia and other anti China activities from the same paymaster today.

uncle fargo wrote:

<quoted text>I'm not so sure Ray. If may be the case but we have seen with Mrs Bin Lardin that there are some who don't mind a few dead bought with their dollars. You still get Al kida operatives and radio free asia and other anti China activities from the same paymaster today.

You mean like the World Uyghur Congress, which is located down the street from the White House?

The characteristics of a delusional mind are the projection of their failings onto others.

The hatred emanating form them becomes the hatred of the object of their hate, their innate racism becomes the projected focal point of someone else!
What they will never be able to comprehend is hat some people can appraise a given set of facts without referential prejudice or emotional baggage. There is no ‘hatred’ or any ‘likes or dislikes’ involved, only the facts are analyzed and presented.

We must have compassion for these subjects, whose hearts and minds have been destroyed by a cabal of the most abject depravity, and left them with little but to resort to the repetition of insults, profanities and lies.

Yet, every human being has the capacity to rise above such depravity and squalor and exercise their innate human qualities, as compassion, discernment, fairness, perspicacity and the natural propensity to inquiry and seek the truth.

Alas, these are not qualities we get from the Han camp who’s only objective and raison d'être seems to be to unflinchingly, and against all human acuity, defend the indefensible and trade insults for their lack of cogent arguments.

Like I’ve said, we’ll have compassion for them and abide their boorishness and inanity.

freedomone wrote:

The characteristics of a delusional mind are the projection of their failings onto others.
The hatred emanating form them becomes the hatred of the object of their hate, their innate racism becomes the projected focal point of someone else!
What they will never be able to comprehend is hat some people can appraise a given set of facts without referential prejudice or emotional baggage. There is no ‘hatred’ or any ‘likes or dislikes’ involved, only the facts are analyzed and presented.
We must have compassion for these subjects, whose hearts and minds have been destroyed by a cabal of the most abject depravity, and left them with little but to resort to the repetition of insults, profanities and lies.
Yet, every human being has the capacity to rise above such depravity and squalor and exercise their innate human qualities, as compassion, discernment, fairness, perspicacity and the natural propensity to inquiry and seek the truth.
Alas, these are not qualities we get from the Han camp who’s only objective and raison d'être seems to be to unflinchingly, and against all human acuity, defend the indefensible and trade insults for their lack of cogent arguments.
Like I’ve said, we’ll have compassion for them and abide their boorishness and inanity.

You obviously said you hate the Chinese, who are 20 % of mankind. So, go see a psychiatrist.