Is Anatolia homeland of Armenians?

Anatolia Historical Homeland of the Armenians?

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Liarmenians are not native Anatolians.They came later..

Like Turks..

There are no common cultural traits between the Urartu civilization and Armenians.

They are not of same language family. Armenian is a Indo European language.

Urartu is Ural Altaic, along with Turkish, Finnish and Hungarian.

Turks can claim to have common ancestry with the Urartus. That is seriously worth studying. But when Armenians claim to have come from Urartus, it does not hold.

Today the Urartian history is no longer a mystery due to the findings of numerous archeological excavations.

So it is really unacademical to accept the myths written by Moses of Khorene (an early Armenian historian).

http://vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres7/Kamuraneng ...

In my opinion claiming that an ancient empire was your direct ancestor is too far fetched.

So I believe Armenian official claim that they are descendents of the Urartus (Uraltu should be a better term, I guess), therefore can lay claim on ancient Urartu lands is too unrealistic.

They should see that similar claims can be made by many other people about the same lands, i.e. Iran for Persian Empire, Italy for Roman Empire, Mogolistan for the conquests of Cengiz Han.

I invite people to visit any museum in Turkey that exhibits the history of Anatolian Civilizations.

They will see that there are periods of culture, some of which are Hittite, Roman, East Roman, Seljuk and Ottoman, and that the history of the land doesn't belong to one culture, one ethnicity, one people.

That said, the people of Modern Turkey ARE the children of these lands genetically and culturally.

Culture doesn't come out of the blue and it doesn't vanish completely when a new ruler comes, either.

The Turkic clans migrated into Anatolia and became the dominant force, and the proto-Turkish peoples of Anatolia, when they converted to Islam, started to regard themselves Ottoman and then Turkish.

"The name Urartu comes from Assyrian sources: the Assyrian king Shalmaneser I (1263-1234 B.C.) recorded a campaign in which he subdued the entire territory of "Uruatri"."

So we can say Assyrians of Anatolia (Suryani) can claim they come from Urartus. Would Armenians accept their claim to Anatolia.

Urartians are not their anchestors.

They both don't have any relations and similarities..

IF any nation claims that a nation is their anchestors, living styles, writings, used goods must be ralative..

But Armenia and Urartians aren't related.

They Armenians were replaced to their new lands because of their betrayal, at Ottoman Era..

OguzTolga wrote:

Anatolia Historical Homeland of the Armenians?
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I am tired of educated bozos like you.

Should be read
"I am tired of educating bozos like you.

OguzTolga wrote:

Anatolia Historical Homeland of the Armenians?
hahahahahaahahahaahahahahaahah
Liarmenians are not native Anatolians.They came later..
Like Turks..
There are no common cultural traits between the Urartu civilization and Armenians.
They are not of same language family. Armenian is a Indo European language.
Urartu is Ural Altaic, along with Turkish, Finnish and Hungarian.
Turks can claim to have common ancestry with the Urartus. That is seriously worth studying. But when Armenians claim to have come from Urartus, it does not hold.
Today the Urartian history is no longer a mystery due to the findings of numerous archeological excavations.
So it is really unacademical to accept the myths written by Moses of Khorene (an early Armenian historian).
http://vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres7/Kamuraneng ...
In my opinion claiming that an ancient empire was your direct ancestor is too far fetched.
So I believe Armenian official claim that they are descendents of the Urartus (Uraltu should be a better term, I guess), therefore can lay claim on ancient Urartu lands is too unrealistic.
They should see that similar claims can be made by many other people about the same lands, i.e. Iran for Persian Empire, Italy for Roman Empire, Mogolistan for the conquests of Cengiz Han.
I invite people to visit any museum in Turkey that exhibits the history of Anatolian Civilizations.
They will see that there are periods of culture, some of which are Hittite, Roman, East Roman, Seljuk and Ottoman, and that the history of the land doesn't belong to one culture, one ethnicity, one people.
That said, the people of Modern Turkey ARE the children of these lands genetically and culturally.
Culture doesn't come out of the blue and it doesn't vanish completely when a new ruler comes, either.
The Turkic clans migrated into Anatolia and became the dominant force, and the proto-Turkish peoples of Anatolia, when they converted to Islam, started to regard themselves Ottoman and then Turkish.
"The name Urartu comes from Assyrian sources: the Assyrian king Shalmaneser I (1263-1234 B.C.) recorded a campaign in which he subdued the entire territory of "Uruatri"."
So we can say Assyrians of Anatolia (Suryani) can claim they come from Urartus. Would Armenians accept their claim to Anatolia.
Urartians are not their anchestors.
They both don't have any relations and similarities..
IF any nation claims that a nation is their anchestors, living styles, writings, used goods must be ralative..
But Armenia and Urartians aren't related.
They Armenians were replaced to their new lands because of their betrayal, at Ottoman Era..

You are fkked in the head

In discussing any ethnic group you must differentiate between the language and culture on the one hand, and the people, on the other.

Nobody can be sure, but the Armenian language appears to have originated in an area near present day Greece. Relatively small numbers of Colonists moved east from there, and assimilated and/or conquered the native Urartians.

This is the universal conquest pattern.

But the vast majority of those who became Armenians were Anatolians.

So, people who call themselves Armenians are Anatolian. They were Anatolians before the Urartians arose as well.

1)Armenians Are what they Are.past, present, future, No one can question our history.
2)Bringing their very existence in Anatolia into question is a Genocide perpetrator's pattern of thought. This racist, blood curling mentality keeps existing and apparently thriving in Turkish right wing circles today.
3)Nairian Tribes + Hittites+Armenians + Hurrians + Iranians + Arabs + Greeks + Assyrians + Jews
+ Slavs + Turks + Circassians + Europeans = Today's population of Turkey. And Georgia and Armenia and Azerbaijan,

OguzTolga wrote:

Anatolia Historical Homeland of the Armenians?
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Liarmenians are not native Anatolians.They came later..

Yeah Armenians invaded the original homeland of the Turks who are genuine authentic Anatolians and very pure people. The Turks gave birth to most nations in Europe, like English, Italians, and Germans, they are all ancient Turks actually.

The Ermens, unknown people, just came there to live off the great Turks whos history dates back 10,000 BC, even before Noah. Turks actually gave birth to Noah, and they created mount Agri by their own hands, and their students were the Egyptians who learnt how to make pyramids from Turkish technology. Actually all the technology in the world today is Turkish technology, but the Turks are smart and release it little by little so people of the world don't go crazy.

The Ermens we don't know where they came from, but some were living in China and Siberia and heard from the Great Turkish explorer Marko Kemal Pologlu (Later known as Marco Polo) that Turks are most advanced and greatest people of the planet and have free lands to nice people, so Ermens started to invade Turkish lands of Anatolia, but they never asked Turks permission to enter Turkish and Azerbaijani territories, and being invaders from Asia, North pole, and Africa, they stole from the nice people who were the original Anatolian Turks.

Today Ermens are lying about their origin and pretend they have a culture, but this is all stolen from Turkish ancient culture. Especially song Sari Gelin, which is an ancient Azero-Turkic-Erzrumi traditional song, which describes ugly Ermen in love with beautiful blonde Turkish girl.. this is how originally Turks and Azeri were with blue eyes and all blondes.

So anyway today liar Ermens are occupying parts of Turkiye and Azerbaijan, and we must teach the world the truth about Turkish culture before Ermens steal everything from us.

Marko Kemal Pologlu wrote:

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Yeah Armenians invaded the original homeland of the Turks who are genuine authentic Anatolians and very pure people. The Turks gave birth to most nations in Europe, like English, Italians, and Germans, they are all ancient Turks actually.
The Ermens, unknown people, just came there to live off the great Turks whos history dates back 10,000 BC, even before Noah. Turks actually gave birth to Noah, and they created mount Agri by their own hands, and their students were the Egyptians who learnt how to make pyramids from Turkish technology. Actually all the technology in the world today is Turkish technology, but the Turks are smart and release it little by little so people of the world don't go crazy.
The Ermens we don't know where they came from, but some were living in China and Siberia and heard from the Great Turkish explorer Marko Kemal Pologlu (Later known as Marco Polo) that Turks are most advanced and greatest people of the planet and have free lands to nice people, so Ermens started to invade Turkish lands of Anatolia, but they never asked Turks permission to enter Turkish and Azerbaijani territories, and being invaders from Asia, North pole, and Africa, they stole from the nice people who were the original Anatolian Turks.
Today Ermens are lying about their origin and pretend they have a culture, but this is all stolen from Turkish ancient culture. Especially song Sari Gelin, which is an ancient Azero-Turkic-Erzrumi traditional song, which describes ugly Ermen in love with beautiful blonde Turkish girl.. this is how originally Turks and Azeri were with blue eyes and all blondes.
So anyway today liar Ermens are occupying parts of Turkiye and Azerbaijan, and we must teach the world the truth about Turkish culture before Ermens steal everything from us.

The big Bang was a Turkish fart.

Turks are the bastard children of all the minorities in Anatolia. You must be crazy to assume anything else. Again, just go look at yourself in the mirror. If you don't look like Jackie Chan, most likely, your grandmother was raped. All the genetic information from Greeks, Armenians, and Assyrians (Pretty much the Anatolian cultures that are Christian) passed one way. This is true of Arabs and Iranians, but since they are Muslim, the information passed both ways. That is why, a lot of times, Turks can resemble a wide array of people. Religion is the key to understanding the passage of genetic information. Most of the Christian families would never intermingle with Muslims. It is true that they would intermingle with themselves, but even that was rare.

In Iran, there is a village of true Turks. These people resemble Asians. They are pretty hospitable people. They know how to weave rugs pretty well. This is their primary source of income. These people are Turks. They come from central Asia.

Anyone else in Anatolia that has no Asian features is most likely a bastard child. In fact, a Western Armenian girl I know has a grandmother that survived the genocide. She had a sister. The sister was taken from her when they were escaping. Fortunately, she survived and made to Syria, but her sister was stolen from her. A 40 year old disgusting fat crow looking Turk took her and raped her. Can you imagine, this guy raped a toddler.

Anyways, she wanted to commit suicide, but she could not. In the 90's the grandmother went to Turkey to find her. When she found her, her sister told her that she was only living to be reunited with her family. The 70's was hell for her. Essentially, why do I bring this? The grandmother of my friend and her sister have fair skin and, in general, have very beautiful Armenian features, but the 40 year old Turkish child molester, he was very ugly. He raped her, she could not commit suicide, so she just stayed. Eventually, she tells her sister that he forced me to have children. She couldn't even stand to look at her children. Eventually, she just zoned out and just lived for the day. Hoping, at least, that her sister would find her one day.

Anyways, once they met, her sister died of old age like within that week. Anyways, my point? My point is that Turks are just the bastard children of the Christian minorities. Most likely, in the past there is story like this.

The funny thing is, her grandchildren did not believe her story about them being Armenian. They were told their grandmother was crazy and etc ...

Turks are just a nasty breed of people. They can not face the reality of their existence.

As far as the Armenians being natives. Yes, they are natives of Anatolia. History is on their side and I don't think any other people have been placed under such a microscope. Do you know that the historical time line places Armenians in Anatolia at least since 1000 BC? No, you don't, most people do not realize the significance of being referred to as an Armenian. Meaning, it is only on the information, mostly through Assyrian sources, that places "Armenians" in Anatolia. But the question then becomes, if Armenians were being referred to as "Armenian", when did they refer to themselves as "Hay" or Hye.

This is the line of reasoning that the Turkish revisionist can not counter. You can slice it anyway you want, but if the first source makes a reference to Armenians using the word "Armenian" then it is highly probable that it must have at least taken 500 to 1000 years for several tribes to band together in such way where an outsider refers to them as singular entity known as "Armenian".

The double standard that goes into play here is that no other ethnic group has gone under the microscope in such a way. They have free range and a lot of claims is never investigated because its still not political. The French claim the Gauls are their ancestors, do you understand there is almost 1,000 years in between ...

IT is 70 years not 70's.

Good Question wrote:

<quoted text>The big Bang was a Turkish fart.

Ha hahahaha!!
You have good sense of humour. BLADY TURCIK FARTS!

http://www.vimeo.com/24309557

Nah, they were our guests. Soon after they tried to backstab the landlord, we kicked 'em out !

Drew wrote:

Nah, they were our guests. Soon after they tried to backstab the landlord, we kicked 'em out !

One would have hoped that a Turk in Ukraine would get educated, but here you are a good example of Turkish Ignorance and ruined mentality.

OguzTolga wrote:

Anatolia Historical Homeland of the Armenians?
hahahahahaahahahaahahahahaahah
Liarmenians are not native Anatolians.They came later..
Like Turks..
There are no common cultural traits between the Urartu civilization and Armenians.
They are not of same language family. Armenian is a Indo European language.
Urartu is Ural Altaic, along with Turkish, Finnish and Hungarian.
Turks can claim to have common ancestry with the Urartus. That is seriously worth studying. But when Armenians claim to have come from Urartus, it does not hold.
Today the Urartian history is no longer a mystery due to the findings of numerous archeological excavations.
So it is really unacademical to accept the myths written by Moses of Khorene (an early Armenian historian).
http://vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres7/Kamuraneng ...
In my opinion claiming that an ancient empire was your direct ancestor is too far fetched.
So I believe Armenian official claim that they are descendents of the Urartus (Uraltu should be a better term, I guess), therefore can lay claim on ancient Urartu lands is too unrealistic.
They should see that similar claims can be made by many other people about the same lands, i.e. Iran for Persian Empire, Italy for Roman Empire, Mogolistan for the conquests of Cengiz Han.
I invite people to visit any museum in Turkey that exhibits the history of Anatolian Civilizations.
They will see that there are periods of culture, some of which are Hittite, Roman, East Roman, Seljuk and Ottoman, and that the history of the land doesn't belong to one culture, one ethnicity, one people.
That said, the people of Modern Turkey ARE the children of these lands genetically and culturally.
Culture doesn't come out of the blue and it doesn't vanish completely when a new ruler comes, either.
The Turkic clans migrated into Anatolia and became the dominant force, and the proto-Turkish peoples of Anatolia, when they converted to Islam, started to regard themselves Ottoman and then Turkish.
"The name Urartu comes from Assyrian sources: the Assyrian king Shalmaneser I (1263-1234 B.C.) recorded a campaign in which he subdued the entire territory of "Uruatri"."
So we can say Assyrians of Anatolia (Suryani) can claim they come from Urartus. Would Armenians accept their claim to Anatolia.
Urartians are not their anchestors.
They both don't have any relations and similarities..
IF any nation claims that a nation is their anchestors, living styles, writings, used goods must be ralative..
But Armenia and Urartians aren't related.
They Armenians were replaced to their new lands because of their betrayal, at Ottoman Era..

urartus neither turks nor armenians they are related to dagistanis.

Info please wrote:

In discussing any ethnic group you must differentiate between the language and culture on the one hand, and the people, on the other.
Nobody can be sure, but the Armenian language appears to have originated in an area near present day Greece. Relatively small numbers of Colonists moved east from there, and assimilated and/or conquered the native Urartians.
This is the universal conquest pattern.
But the vast majority of those who became Armenians were Anatolians.
So, people who call themselves Armenians are Anatolian. They were Anatolians before the Urartians arose as well.

language is fundamental part of culture you cant differentiate both
.and armenians came to anatolia from iran since armenians appearead in anatolia after persian invasion of anatolia and ancient armenian and persian languages were similar.

and ancient name of armenia came from arameans.they were semitic nation not related to armenians.you know armenians call themselves hay.

bilgi wrote:

and ancient name of armenia came from arameans.they were semitic nation not related to armenians.you know armenians call themselves hay.

Some turks call themselves OKUZ.
what is your point?

Dander wrote:

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Some turks call themselves OKUZ.
what is your point?

his point is: you are blind and complete close minded for any knowledge. you are looking everything from your window, never turn to mirror yourself.
everyone post here videos, documents, articles and all your answer is 'they are lie'. please be reasonable.
if armenian post it-its a lie
if turkish post it-its a lie
this can go forever. please explain one thing; why dont you go to objective court? if you are right, why dont want to take courts order, and publish it to the world?

Pera Thenian wrote:

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his point is: you are blind and complete close minded for any knowledge. you are looking everything from your window, never turn to mirror yourself.
everyone post here videos, documents, articles and all your answer is 'they are lie'. please be reasonable.
if armenian post it-its a lie
if turkish post it-its a lie
this can go forever. please explain one thing; why dont you go to objective court? if you are right, why dont want to take courts order, and publish it to the world?

sen guzelsin :D