Can Turkey and Armenia end their 100 years of hate?

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you armenian should change your mouth first.so turks willl go where you wanna go!!!

gunduz wrote:

you armenian should change your mouth first.so turks willl go where you wanna go!!!

You mean with plastic surgery with anesthetic, or without?

I do not think so. As Diaspora manages Armenia, they firstly should become secure, democratic country which able to stand on their own feet. They only invest on Hate.

Believe me, Turkey only invest on hate while ASALA were killing our ambassadors. Other than that we didn't invest on hate.

Diaspora, is as idiot as Dasnaqs , still believing sth called western armenia !! Do not recog. Kars treaty or even Lausanne!!

This is as stupid as if we have told greece as western Türkiye.

Even these diasporan idiots do believe that they can get land, money ,etc as compensation which has a possibility rate as high as "0" !!

If you really after "honour" or "respect for lost souls" why didn't you try to work on Historian platform ? You always prefered political ones. In France, USA etc.

France, what they did in Algeria was an absolute genocide, did they recognised it ? No, although it was such an obvious one.

USA ? Do we have to talk about them ? Indians, Vietnam, Atom bombs to Japan, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. Did you hear them calling genocide ?

Japan ? We all know what they did to China was an absolte one as well!

Turkey's issue is totally different than those examples which we believe these countries are the last ones that can accuse us for genocide. At least our country was invaded by multi countries, etc.

And it hurts us , although many foreign reports were telling that there were Kurds and Armenians killing each other, Russian forces backed by Armenians, nobody is asking how this Diaspora formed ?

Why and How do all diasporan Armenians have grandparents that able to escape from bloody (!) hands of Turkish officers ?

Although all top Ottoman officers taken to Malta Island and tortured , archieves investigated by English officers found no clue about this genocide.

Why and How %50,%50 population of Turks and Armenians in current mainland became as %100 armenian ?

Where are this 1.5 million armenian bones in Syria. We lost Syria in 1916, why didn't Armenia try to find clues in these famous Syrian Deserts ?

How and Why Russia gave armenian mainland to Armenia that easy ? Was there a deal among them ?

Quest and answers surely will be evaluated with this commission(Hopefully). But diaspora , will try to get revenge of their grandparents' who luckily(!) escaped from Turkey and its clumsy officers, pashas!

Although Greeks, Armenians and Turks have many many similarities in their lives (Not surely with yankee,french Armenians)these imperialists, England, France, Russia and even USA successfully planted hate in Ottoman lands amongst the minorities and Turks to reach their goal to crush Ottoman Empire!

Dardanelli wrote:

I do not think so. As Diaspora manages Armenia, they firstly should become secure, democratic country which able to stand on their own feet. They only invest on Hate.
Believe me, Turkey only invest on hate while ASALA were killing our ambassadors. Other than that we didn't invest on hate.
Diaspora, is as idiot as Dasnaqs , still believing sth called western armenia !! Do not recog. Kars treaty or even Lausanne!!
This is as stupid as if we have told greece as western Türkiye.
Even these diasporan idiots do believe that they can get land, money ,etc as compensation which has a possibility rate as high as "0" !!
If you really after "honour" or "respect for lost souls" why didn't you try to work on Historian platform ? You always prefered political ones. In France, USA etc.
France, what they did in Algeria was an absolute genocide, did they recognised it ? No, although it was such an obvious one.
USA ? Do we have to talk about them ? Indians, Vietnam, Atom bombs to Japan, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. Did you hear them calling genocide ?
Japan ? We all know what they did to China was an absolte one as well!
Turkey's issue is totally different than those examples which we believe these countries are the last ones that can accuse us for genocide. At least our country was invaded by multi countries, etc.
And it hurts us , although many foreign reports were telling that there were Kurds and Armenians killing each other, Russian forces backed by Armenians, nobody is asking how this Diaspora formed ?
Why and How do all diasporan Armenians have grandparents that able to escape from bloody (!) hands of Turkish officers ?
Although all top Ottoman officers taken to Malta Island and tortured , archieves investigated by English officers found no clue about this genocide.
Why and How %50,%50 population of Turks and Armenians in current mainland became as %100 armenian ?
Where are this 1.5 million armenian bones in Syria. We lost Syria in 1916, why didn't Armenia try to find clues in these famous Syrian Deserts ?
How and Why Russia gave armenian mainland to Armenia that easy ? Was there a deal among them ?
Quest and answers surely will be evaluated with this commission(Hopefully). But diaspora , will try to get revenge of their grandparents' who luckily(!) escaped from Turkey and its clumsy officers, pashas!
Although Greeks, Armenians and Turks have many many similarities in their lives (Not surely with yankee,french Armenians)these imperialists, England, France, Russia and even USA successfully planted hate in Ottoman lands amongst the minorities and Turks to reach their goal to crush Ottoman Empire!

So Turks console themselves with the crimes of other nations. They think : If US did it to Native Indians, if French did it to North African Arabs, then it is OK for the Turks to have nearly exterminated the Armenian Nation, these poor Armenians can not even find the bones of their dead.We Turks belong with the great nations of the world, because we did the same as they did. EXTERMINATE NATIVE POPULATIONS.
From an Armenian population population of over 2 million in Anatolia in 1914, only 10000 were left alive in Istanbul in 1923!!!300.000-400.000 survived the deportations, 1 million and a half died on route.

You must be a very evolved individual; all these crimes mean nothing to you.

vatchakan wrote:

<quoted text>So Turks console themselves with the crimes of other nations. They think : If US did it to Native Indians, if French did it to North African Arabs, then it is OK for the Turks to have nearly exterminated the Armenian Nation, these poor Armenians can not even find the bones of their dead.We Turks belong with the great nations of the world, because we did the same as they did. EXTERMINATE NATIVE POPULATIONS.
From an Armenian population population of over 2 million in Anatolia in 1914, only 10000 were left alive in Istanbul in 1923!!!300.000-400.000 survived the deportations, 1 million and a half died on route.
You must be a very evolved individual; all these crimes mean nothing to you.

For as long as Turks & their government deny the crimes of their fathers, they will remain slaves to their own bloody past.

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wrong place posted

vatchakan wrote:

<quoted text>So Turks console themselves with the crimes of other nations. They think : If US did it to Native Indians, if French did it to North African Arabs, then it is OK for the Turks to have nearly exterminated the Armenian Nation, these poor Armenians can not even find the bones of their dead.We Turks belong with the great nations of the world, because we did the same as they did. EXTERMINATE NATIVE POPULATIONS.
From an Armenian population population of over 2 million in Anatolia in 1914, only 10000 were left alive in Istanbul in 1923!!!300.000-400.000 survived the deportations, 1 million and a half died on route.
You must be a very evolved individual; all these crimes mean nothing to you.

You understood simply nothing about my previous post.

These countries are the real genociders. All the numbers that you mentioned for your forefathers lived in USA , England, France , Russia and Armenia which was having %50 Turk and %50 Armenian population.

All diasporans , somehow(!) have a forefather that escaped(!) from Turkey!!

Ironically Armenia is trying to play on political platforms till today to make these REAL GENOCIDERS accept your claims!

For the first time ever, scientific platform will take place, I hope.

Dardanelli wrote:

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You understood simply nothing about my previous post.
These countries are the real genociders. All the numbers that you mentioned for your forefathers lived in USA , England, France , Russia and Armenia which was having %50 Turk and %50 Armenian population.
All diasporans , somehow(!) have a forefather that escaped(!) from Turkey!!
Ironically Armenia is trying to play on political platforms till today to make these REAL GENOCIDERS accept your claims!
For the first time ever, scientific platform will take place, I hope.

All of Diaspora Armenians are children of survivors. Because the dead did NOT get married and reproduce, get your head out of that negative moronic space you have stuck it in.

300.000 survivors through 5 generations;
1st generation had 5 children each(Generally speaking)
300x5=1.5 million

2nd generation had 4 children(generally speaking)
1.8millionx4= 7.2 million
I will not go all the way through, it simply not necessary.

If the 1.5 million Armenians had not died we would be over 30 million strong today.


So you see Mr. Dardanelli your arguments have very little weight, you try some simple arithmetic and you will get to see the numbers reality.

Turkey was 10 million Muslims in 1915 today it has more then 70 millions. You get the drift of my argument or not. Up to you.
Nothing that we say on these forums has much consequence anyways. But it sure would be great to see one Turk understand the reality of the Armenian Question and the reality of the Genocide.

Vahe wrote:

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For as long as Turks & their government deny the crimes of their fathers, they will remain slaves to their own bloody past.

Slaves to their bloody past! True! And liable to repeat their past mistakes. Armenians need to prepare themselves always to confront this sleeping giant with short memory.

vatchakan wrote:

<quoted text>All of Diaspora Armenians are children of survivors. Because the dead did NOT get married and reproduce, get your head out of that negative moronic space you have stuck it in.
300.000 survivors through 5 generations;
1st generation had 5 children each(Generally speaking)
300x5=1.5 million
2nd generation had 4 children(generally speaking)
1.8millionx4= 7.2 million
I will not go all the way through, it simply not necessary.
If the 1.5 million Armenians had not died we would be over 30 million strong today.
So you see Mr. Dardanelli your arguments have very little weight, you try some simple arithmetic and you will get to see the numbers reality.
Turkey was 10 million Muslims in 1915 today it has more then 70 millions. You get the drift of my argument or not. Up to you.
Nothing that we say on these forums has much consequence anyways. But it sure would be great to see one Turk understand the reality of the Armenian Question and the reality of the Genocide.

we were 15 million , now 70 million so the multiplier is almost 5.

You were 1,2 million , but you are 10 million right now and the multiplier is almost 8 , althogh you are tend to reprodce less than Turks !!

Dardanelli wrote:

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we were 15 million , now 70 million so the multiplier is almost 5.
You were 1,2 million , but you are 10 million right now and the multiplier is almost 8 , althogh you are tend to reprodce less than Turks !!

Armenians that survived had 5 children (average) after the genocide as an instinct of survival. I know this from my own family!

Our new generations have between 2 and 3 children. I have cousins that have 4 children too! Many also married other Europeans! My brother is married to a Swiss but the kids consider themselves Armenian first without any pressure from us...That's just how they feel!

Most of the crimes that you mentionned about other nations were not as bad as what Turks did.

The main issue here is the percentage of populations! Over 80% of Armenians were killed but not that many died in % even with the atomic bombs over japan, which I consider a genocide anyway!

The U.S. SHOULD admit those as genocide as well...but sadly they don't even recognize the Armenian one!

Stop playing the ostrich Darda...this is NOT the right way!

Ottoman population were 14 million including 4 million christians with 2.2 million Armenians.
4 million Christians disappeared leaving 10 million muslims.
Now they are 75 million in tr and another 5 million abroad total 80 million muslims/turks.
2.2 million ottoman Armenians plus 2 million Russian and Iranian Armenians plus few hundred thousand in other continents.
Total; over 4 million Armenians.
Turk /muslim increased 80/10=8 fold
Armenians increased 10/4= 2.5 fold.
Hesabinizi siktirmeyin pezevenk bozuntusu milliyetciler.

vatchakan wrote:

<quoted text>Slaves to their bloody past! True! And liable to repeat their past mistakes. Armenians need to prepare themselves always to confront this sleeping giant with short memory.

Hahahaha....you mean with no memory whatsoever!
Once a killer, always a killer.

RC Cola wrote:

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Armenians that survived had 5 children (average) after the genocide as an instinct of survival. I know this from my own family!
Our new generations have between 2 and 3 children. I have cousins that have 4 children too! Many also married other Europeans! My brother is married to a Swiss but the kids consider themselves Armenian first without any pressure from us...That's just how they feel!
Most of the crimes that you mentionned about other nations were not as bad as what Turks did.
The main issue here is the percentage of populations! Over 80% of Armenians were killed but not that many died in % even with the atomic bombs over japan, which I consider a genocide anyway!
The U.S. SHOULD admit those as genocide as well...but sadly they don't even recognize the Armenian one!
Stop playing the ostrich Darda...this is NOT the right way!

Yeah other nations surely did not organize a gernocide , the genocided ones were shaman, muslims and indians so shouldnt be count as genocide , right ?

Your ancestors have escaped to Russia, Armenia, USA, England and France. They are not genocided, they lived in ww1 winners!!

Dardanelli wrote:

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Yeah other nations surely did not organize a gernocide , the genocided ones were shaman, muslims and indians so shouldnt be count as genocide , right ?
Your ancestors have escaped to Russia, Armenia, USA, England and France. They are not genocided, they lived in ww1 winners!!

Your fathers have commited a terrible, terrible crime against humanity.
Listen well, you people have blood on your hands, very simple.
Your children & their children will have the same blood on their hands as well. For your own & your children's sake, you people need to ask Jesus Christ to forgive you. To do so, you must come to Jesus & accept Him as your Lord & then & only then your sins might be washed away. There is NO other way around it.

Dardanelli wrote:

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we were 15 million , now 70 million so the multiplier is almost 5.
You were 1,2 million , but you are 10 million right now and the multiplier is almost 8 , althogh you are tend to reprodce less than Turks !!

10 million? How did you reach to that number? I wish we were that many!
Again, there is only one way & I explained it above.

gunduz wrote:

you armenian should change your mouth first.so turks willl go where you wanna go!!!

And you turks need to fall on your knees & ask Jesus Christ to forgive your sins. You don't and all of you will die in your sins.
The Bible tells us,

And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment. << Hebrews 9:27 >>

vahe wrote:

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Your fathers have commited a terrible, terrible crime against humanity.
Listen well, you people have blood on your hands, very simple.
Your children & their children will have the same blood on their hands as well. For your own & your children's sake, you people need to ask Jesus Christ to forgive you. To do so, you must come to Jesus & accept him as your Lord & then & only then your sins might be washed away. There is NO other way around it.

Which crime ?

Your fathers escaped to Russia, Armenia, France, USA and England.

1. If they were died in Syrian desets why your government didnt dig Syrian deserts till today ?(We lost Syria by 1916)

2. If we killed your 1.5 million how armenian population increased in ww1 winners and your mainland after ww1 ?



Have you ever asked and replied these questions by yourself ?