Caucasian Albania/Arran

Albania (Latin Albania, usually referred to as Caucasian Albania for disambiguation with the modern state of Albania in the Balkans;in Parthian Ardhan; Middle Persian Arran; the native name for the country is unknown) is the historical name for the country of the eastern Caucasus, roughly corresponding to the territory of present-day Azerbaijan and southern Dagestan.

Albania first appears in history as a vassal state in the empire of Tigranes the Great of Armenia (95-56 BC).[22] The kingdom of Albania emerged in the eastern Caucasus in 2nd or 1st century B.C. and along with the Georgians and Armenians formed one of the three nations of the Southern Caucasus.

Ancient chronicles provide the names of several peoples that populated these districts, including the regions of Artsakh and Utik. These were Utians, Mycians, Caspians, Gargarians, Sakasenians, Gelians, Sodians, Lupenians, Balas[ak]anians, Parsians and Parrasians.
According to Robert H. Hewsen, these tribes were "certainly not of Armenian origin", and " most of the natives were not even Indo-Europeans."
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Architecture similarities confirm the link between Caucasian and Modern Albania:

The ruins of ancient Gabala, Caucasian Albania:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ancient_Gab...

The ruins in Modern Albania:
http://www.sxc.hu/pic/m/z/za/zack8681/1153982...
http://www.kp.kg/upimg/photo/111302.jpg

I'm from Caucasian Albania which is today a part of Azerbeidzan. Fully aware of the historic timeline, I would like to remember my brothers from modern European Albania not to forget us. This was and will remain their eternal Fatherland as it is mine.

Caucas Albanian wrote:

I'm from Caucasian Albania which is today a part of Azerbeidzan. Fully aware of the historic timeline, I would like to remember my brothers from modern European Albania not to forget us. This was and will remain their eternal Fatherland as it is mine.

explain athena, zeus in caucasian, u little serv picka!

Caucas Albanian wrote:

I'm from Caucasian Albania which is today a part of Azerbeidzan. Fully aware of the historic timeline, I would like to remember my brothers from modern European Albania not to forget us. This was and will remain their eternal Fatherland as it is mine.

BROTHERS?????? As i know im not your brother! First of all, im from ALBANIA not azebrajan, im not a muslim but an orhtodox-Albanian and i pretty know old history. Anyway ALBA was called even Scotland more then 1000 years before christ. ALBANY was called even South Endland since 1750 up to Nomadic invasion. ALBIOS were called BALTIC people before beeing called balts( even BALT is an Albanian toponym anyway you dont know albanian and im not going to explain you those things). Basque people call their language ESQUERA and one of their paganic gods was ALBI. There are a lot of other places called ALBA, ALBIONA and cet in Pakistan, Baluchistan and cet. Anyway you are right for one thing, and this thing is that those lands before were populated by a population that spoke only one language( the Pelazgian one) that was spoken in all BAKLKAN, north Africa, Caucas and parts of romania and ucraine nowdays. But this is a long story and you have to have knowledge to know this. Anyway Azebrajani people have a old caucasian root, but you were mixed a lot( before of invasions) and you lost a lot( like the Pelazgian language) and traditions too adopting other traditions. Only Basque and Armenians have keept SH( letter) and JI, pelazgian letters and we(ALBANIANS) have 11 Pelazgian letters( SH ,ë,ç,zh, ll, nj, rr, th, dh, gj, xh,).

agron wrote:

<quoted text>BROTHERS?????? As i know im not your brother! First of all, im from ALBANIA not azebrajan, im not a muslim but an orhtodox-Albanian and i pretty know old history. Anyway ALBA was called even Scotland more then 1000 years before christ. ALBANY was called even South Endland since 1750 up to Nomadic invasion. ALBIOS were called BALTIC people before beeing called balts( even BALT is an Albanian toponym anyway you dont know albanian and im not going to explain you those things). Basque people call their language ESQUERA and one of their paganic gods was ALBI. There are a lot of other places called ALBA, ALBIONA and cet in Pakistan, Baluchistan and cet. Anyway you are right for one thing, and this thing is that those lands before were populated by a population that spoke only one language( the Pelazgian one) that was spoken in all BAKLKAN, north Africa, Caucas and parts of romania and ucraine nowdays. But this is a long story and you have to have knowledge to know this. Anyway Azebrajani people have a old caucasian root, but you were mixed a lot( before of invasions) and you lost a lot( like the Pelazgian language) and traditions too adopting other traditions. Only Basque and Armenians have keept SH( letter) and JI, pelazgian letters and we(ALBANIANS) have 11 Pelazgian letters( SH ,ë,ç,zh, ll, nj, rr, th, dh, gj, xh,).

No, no, no... This is diferent! We ar your brothers from the ankcient Kingdom of Albania:

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You left long time as mercenaries with Osmanli to fight the Europeans. But you should not forget who you are - never!

Albanian from Caucasus wrote:

Albania (Latin Albania, usually referred to as Caucasian Albania for disambiguation with the modern state of Albania in the Balkans;in Parthian Ardhan; Middle Persian Arran; the native name for the country is unknown) is the historical name for the country of the eastern Caucasus, roughly corresponding to the territory of present-day Azerbaijan and southern Dagestan.
Albania first appears in history as a vassal state in the empire of Tigranes the Great of Armenia (95-56 BC).[22] The kingdom of Albania emerged in the eastern Caucasus in 2nd or 1st century B.C. and along with the Georgians and Armenians formed one of the three nations of the Southern Caucasus.
Ancient chronicles provide the names of several peoples that populated these districts, including the regions of Artsakh and Utik. These were Utians, Mycians, Caspians, Gargarians, Sakasenians, Gelians, Sodians, Lupenians, Balas[ak]anians, Parsians and Parrasians.
According to Robert H. Hewsen, these tribes were "certainly not of Armenian origin", and " most of the natives were not even Indo-Europeans."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_Albani...
Architecture similarities confirm the link between Caucasian and Modern Albania:
The ruins of ancient Gabala, Caucasian Albania:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ancient_Gab...
The ruins in Modern Albania:
http://www.sxc.hu/pic/m/z/za/zack8681/1153982...
http://www.kp.kg/upimg/photo/111302.jpg

there is Albania also in Scotland. I am just thinking: how big it was Albania once upon a time, from Scotland till Caucasus. definetley, we have to take back south of serbia and send serbs in their homeland in Carpates.

Maybe this will convince you:

http://www.academicmicroforms.com/illyrian-ar...

If not, no one can help you.

Gen Jankovich wrote:

Maybe this will convince you:
http://www.academicmicroforms.com/illyrian-ar...
If not, no one can help you.

i can help

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DARDAN wrote:

<quoted text>i can help
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What that has to do with this:

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Gen Jankovich wrote:

<quoted text>What that has to do with this:
http://www.academicmicroforms.com/illyrian-ar...

what you mean this with that ,hello,anybody home

Caucasian theory

One of the earliest theories on the origins of the Albanians identified the proto-Albanians with an area of the Caucasus referred to by classical geographers as "Albania", which roughly corresponds with modern-day Azerbaijan. This theory supposed that the ancestors of the Albanians migrated westward to the Balkans in the late classical or early Medieval period. The Caucasian theory was first proposed by Renaissance humanists who were familiar with the works of classical geographers, and later developed by Francois de Pouqeville.

Arguments against Illyrian origin

The theory of an Illyrian origin of the Albanians is challenged on linguistic grounds.
The Illyrian tribe of the Albanoi and the town of Albanopolis (mentioned in Ptolemy's Geographia) could be located near Kruja in central Albania, but nothing absolutely proves a connection to the later Albanians, who appear in the historical record in Byzantine documents of the 11th century.
By late antiquity, the ethnonym Illyrians was an archaism that had ceased to refer to a distinct Illyrians people (e.g. it was later used by Byzantine historian to refer to the Serbs).
The theory of an Illyrian origin for the Albanians is weakened by a lack of any Albanian names before the 12th century and the relative absence of Greek influence that would surely be present if the Albanians inhabited their homeland continuously since ancient times. The number of Greek words borrowed in Albania is small; if the Albanians originated near modern-day Albania, there should be more.
Although some Albanian toponyms descend from Illyrian, according to linguist V. Georgiev, Illyrian toponyms from antiquity have not changed according to the usual phonetic laws applying to the evolution of Albanian. Furthermore, placenames can be a special case and the Albanian language more generally has not been proven to be of Illyrian stock.
Many linguists have tried to link Albanian with Illyrian, but without clear results.There is an argument that Albanian belongs to the so called "satem group" within Indo European, and that Illyrian did not while Dacian did or Thracian.
There is a lack of clear archaeological evidence for a continuous settlement of an Albanian-speaking population since Illyrian times. For example, while Albanians scholars maintain that the Komani-Kruja burial sites support the Illyrian-Albanian continuity theory, most scholars reject this and consider that the remains indicate a population of Romanized Illyrians who spoke a Romance language. Recently, some Albanian archeologists have also been moving away from describing the Komani-Kruja culture as a proto-Albanian culture.

The names of the Ilyrian Arms clearly show the Serbo-Croatian family names on the armorial bearings:

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Albanians = Caucasusian leftovers!

Encyclopedia Britannica
Page 483

The Albanians are apparently the most ancient race in southeastern Europe. History and legend afford no record of their arrival in the Balkan Peninsula.

They are probably the descendants of the earliest Aryan, immigrants, who were represented in historical times by the kindred Ilryrians, Macedonians and Epirots;

the Macedonians and Epirots are believed by Hahn to have formed the core of the pro-Hellenic Tyrrheno-Pelasgian population which inhabited the southern portion of the peninsula and extended its limits to Thrace and Italy.

The Illyrians were also " Pelasgian," but in a wider sense. Of these cognate races, which are described by the Greek writers as barbarous or non-Hellenic, the Illyrians and Epirots, he thinks, were respectively the progenitors of the CÍegt, or northern, and the Tasks, or southern, Albanians.

The Via Egnatia, which Strain)(vii. fragment 3) describes as forming the boundary between the Illyrians and Epirots, practically corresponds with the course of the Shkumb, which now separates the Ghegs and the Tosks.

The same geographer (v. 2.221) states that the Epirots were also called Pelasgians; the Pelasgian Zeus was worshipped at Dodona (Homer, II. xvi. 234), and the neighbourhood of the sanctuary was called Pelasgia (Herodotus ii. 56).

The meaning of the term " Pelasgian " is, however, too obscure to furnish, a basis for ethnographical speculation; in the time of Herodotus it may have already come to denote a period rather than a race. The name Tost is possibly identical with '1'im.tts, Elruscus, while the form Tyrrkenus perhaps survives in Tirana

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Embassy of the Czech Republic in Tirana

The Albanian Language

The Albanian Language A more concrete evidence of the Illyrian-Pelasgian origin of the Albanians is supplied by the study of the Albanian language.

Notwithstanding certain points of resemblance in structure and phonetics, the Albanian language is entirely distinct from the tongues spoken by the neighboring natonalities.

This language is particularly interesting as the only surviving representative of the so-called Thraco-Illyrian group of languages, which formed the primitive speech of the inha

A more concrete evidence of the Illyrian-Pelasgian origin of the Albanians is supplied by the study of the Albanian language.

Notwithstanding certain points of resemblance in structure and phonetics, the Albanian language is entirely distinct from the tongues spoken by the neighboring natonalities.

This language is particularly interesting as the only surviving representative of the so-called Thraco-Illyrian group of languages, which formed the primitive speech of the inhabitants of the Balkan Peninsula.

http://www.mzv.cz/tirana/en/about_albania/the...

The world book:

organized knowledge in story and picture, Volume 1
Edited by Michael Vincent O'Shea, Ellsworth D. Foster, George Herbert Locke
Page 147

The Albanian language is interesting, for it is different from any other language in Europe. It belongs to the family of the Indo-European languages and is related to Latin and ancient Greek.

It seems to be the only surviving language of what was probably the primitive speech of the inhabitants of the Balkan Peninsula.

The language has two widely different dialects, which are spoken respectively by the two chief divisions of the nation, namely, the Ghegs in the north and the Tusks in the south.

The Albanians are the oldest original inhabitants of the Balkan Peninsula.

On account of the mountainous nature of the country they have retained their marked national individuality and their ancient institutions and customs.

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Yodel-ay-ee-oooo
by Bart Plantenga -- 2004 - 342 pages

Albanians, the oldest Balkan race, probably descend from the earliest pre- ancient-Greek,

Aryan immigrants, their Thraco- Illyrian language is distinct from the rest of the Balkans.

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adela wrote:

Yodel-ay-ee-oooo
by Bart Plantenga -- 2004 - 342 pages
Albanians, the oldest Balkan race, probably descend from the earliest pre- ancient-Greek,
Aryan immigrants, their Thraco- Illyrian language is distinct from the rest of the Balkans.
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???

What this Serbo-Croatian names do on the Ilyrian Arms?

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Go back on Caucasus...

Bosnia: a short history
By Noel Malcolm History - 1996 - 360 pages

Page 7

Ptolemy, writing in the second century AD, also located the Serboi among the Sermatian tribes north of the Caucasus.

Most scholars believe either that both Serbs and Croats were Slavic tribes with Iranian ruling castes or that they were originally Iranian tribes which had acquires Slavic subjects.

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Caucasian Albanians must not to be confused with the Illyrian Albanians of modern-day Albania in the Balkans.

AVAR ETYMOLOGY

Avar
Any member of a people of undetermined origin who built an empire in eastern Europe between the Adriatic and Baltic seas and the Elbe and Dnieper rivers in the 6th–9th centuries.

Mounted nomads, possibly from Central Asia, they made the Hungarian plain the centre of their empire, from which they intervened in Germanic tribal wars, helped the Lombards overthrow allies of Byzantium, and nearly succeeded in occupying Constantinople in 626.

They also fought the Merovingians and helped push the Serbs and Croats southward towards Illyrian territories. Avar decline began in the late 7th century and culminated in the destruction of their capital by Charlemagne in 796.

In the early 9th century the Avars were fully incorporated in the Carolingian empire.

Caucasian Albanians must not to be confused with the Illyrian Albanians of modern-day Albania in the Balkans.

The Caucasian Albanian name could be the remnant of the Macedonian expansion towards Asia. Alexander the Great had recruited Illyrian soldiers for his campaign against Persia and later India.
Alexander the Great:

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