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Born free - Molon lave

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Jul 23, 2012
 
Imagine if you would, that our winter of discontent is turned glorious summer and that you are sunning yourself on a typical Australian beach, accompanied by your two sisters.(If you don't already have two sisters, here are two that our imagination prepared for you earlier.) As you lazily turn over to permit the Australian sun to fry an egg on your back, you turn to your sister and ask in Greek: "Pass me the sunscreen, will you."
Almost immediately, two burly brutes who have beached themselves on towels next to you and who have hitherto remained unnoticed stand up and towering over you, demand: "What did you say? How dare you speak Greek. If you want to speak Greek, go to Greece and sun yourself on the beaches here. This is Australia. NEVER speak Greek here ever again."
In a fit of pique, you exclaim as indignantly and ungrammatically as possible: "Get stuffed. I'll speak whatever language I want." Whereupon your two burly interlocutors, joined imperceptibly by another two, apprehend you by the armpits and unceremoniously drag you towards the sea. Upon reaching the briny, they hold your head under the water with the full intent of drowning you. You throat fills with water, your heart begins to pound at the sides of your rib-cage and seconds before you lose consciousness, you are dragged from the water and your imminent faith by some concerned passers-by who cannot believe the crime that is unfolding before their eyes.
Truly this is a scenario that could plausibly only erupt from the impassioned union of a surfy Australian soap opera and Greek Australian pretensions to television drama. For in this country, such overt displays of racism are, thankfully, few and far between. In Albania, and in particular along the coastline of Cheimarra to Agioi Saranta, where the above drama unfolded, such occurrences are commonplace.

Greeks have to die in Northern Epirus before it is understood that the state has failed to create for them, a sense of security and a structure wherein their basic rights to freedom of religious and ethnic affiliation are respected and protected. For the answer, in the face of Greek and world-wide indifference is now chillingly obvious: As many as it takes until the Greeks of Northern Epirus either abandon their ancestral homelands, or abandon a stubborn commitment to an idea of being Greek that has brought them only hardship, pain and persecution, for absolutely no gain whatsoever.
Our scenario could end with young Niko's traumatised sisters refusing to speak Greek. Yet one thing is disconcertingly certain. Despite the indifference of their compatriots, and in the face of disapprobation and danger, the Northern Epirots will continue stolidly to espouse their Greekness for they can do nothing else, until the bitter end.
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Jul 26, 2012
 
Look you moron, not only can those few remaining Greeks in Albania can speak in Greek (because most of theme moved to Greece when borders were opened), but thousands of Albanians who have never been to Greece, and never contributed in Greece economy, get a monthly payment from Greece simply to speak in Greek and pretend they are Greeks.

Greece government better prefers to fire of Greek doctors (because of debts), who suicide themselves from jumping out of balconies, than negate the payment to Greek-speaking-Albanians.

And look how Greece treats Albanians who gave Greece independence from Ottomans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Jul 26, 2012
 
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Look you moron, not only can those few remaining Greeks in Albania can speak in Greek (because most of theme moved to Greece when borders were opened), but thousands of Albanians who have never been to Greece, and never contributed in Greece economy, get a monthly payment from Greece simply to speak in Greek and pretend they are Greeks.
Greece government better prefers to fire of Greek doctors (because of debts), who suicide themselves from jumping out of balconies, than negate the payment to Greek-speaking-Albanians.
And look how Greece treats Albanians who gave Greece independence from Ottomans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
What? you think Albanians only deserve freedom and autonomy and have been hard done by, believe me when I say that we are still in Northern Epirus and our day will come...we see you they same way you see the Serbs...got it now?

Arvanites are Heroes in Greece.....
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Jul 27, 2012
 
Ancestors of "minority greek" today, were farmers and shepherds Vlachs (šobej) coming from the mountains of Pindos, to work as servants for the Albanian owners the southern areas.

The area they come from the Middle Ages and during the new was called "small Wallachia" (For more information, read "History of the Balkans" by George Kastelani)

And mountains of Pindos were part of the Albanian vilayets, and are taken from Greece, after 87 years after winning independence.

Aromanian or vlachs who lost their language Aromanian, were assimilated by the Greek Orthodox church, and Greek schools that were opened in all the Albanian vilayets, when Greece won the independence of the Turk.

With the permission of Turkey, Greece asked that everywhere, where there were people who belonged to the Orthodox faith, despite that these were not Greek, learn Greek language.

Those are so-called Greek minority?

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Jul 27, 2012
 
Greeks are well-liked in Albania for the most part they look up to you,there's nothing to free
nothing is free

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Jul 28, 2012
 
Punmuti wrote:
Greeks are well-liked in Albania for the most part they look up to you,there's nothing to free
Jane jabanxhinje, ne tokat e Shqiptareve.
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Jul 29, 2012
 
somebody wrote:
Ancestors of "minority greek" today, were farmers and shepherds Vlachs (šobej) coming from the mountains of Pindos, to work as servants for the Albanian owners the southern areas.
The area they come from the Middle Ages and during the new was called "small Wallachia" (For more information, read "History of the Balkans" by George Kastelani)
And mountains of Pindos were part of the Albanian vilayets, and are taken from Greece, after 87 years after winning independence.
Aromanian or vlachs who lost their language Aromanian, were assimilated by the Greek Orthodox church, and Greek schools that were opened in all the Albanian vilayets, when Greece won the independence of the Turk.
With the permission of Turkey, Greece asked that everywhere, where there were people who belonged to the Orthodox faith, despite that these were not Greek, learn Greek language.
Those are so-called Greek minority?
Here are some accounts of the attrocities committed on Greeks;

From a letter sent to Mr. Savas Papadopoulos by his
people living in Northern Epirus :

In Trikoupi, they killed Mr. Take Ntete.

In the district of Argyrocastron the Albanians are
robbing and killing the Greek population.

In upper Lambovon, they killed four Greeks.

In Vlacho-Gorantzi, they killed six Greeks.

In the district of Zagori, they killed ten Greeks, and
many others in other villages.

There are only Italian and Albanian schools in these
districts and no Greek schools or Greek priests are allowed.

Mr. Panagiotis Ditsianis' letter reads in part as follows :

Mr. Cassavetes : Southbridge, Mass.

... From a letter from Worcester, Mass., we learn'
the killing of five persons in Lower-Gorantzi (district of
Argyrocastron) in the most distressing way. The
Albanians put out the eyes of their victims, then they cut their
hands, legs and noses and left them half -dead. When this
terrible fact was referred to the Italian Government, the
officials said to the peasants: "As long as you like to be
united with Greece it is only suffering that you have to
expect." A letter relating the above fact is in the possession
of Mr. Elias Liolios, Worcester, Mass.

There are hundreds more.
Born free - Molon lave

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Jul 29, 2012
 
Extract from a letter of D. Lavares:

Dear Sir:

I consider it my duty to let you know that our country-
men are suffering in North Epirus from the Albanians
and the local authorities as well.

Letters that we have received from Sopiki (Pogoni)
and from Vostina report that an Albanian band took
prisoners three men, Char. Matsoulras, Thomas Kogionas
and Char. Volios and after having whipped them burned
them with boiling oil. Their fate is unknown.

Also an Italian detachment arrested Mr. P. Mauromates a
nd seven women and put them in dungeons in
Argyrocastro. Nothing is known as to the cause of this
action on the part of the Italian officials. Etc., etc.

(Signed) D. LAVARES.
Born free - Molon lave

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Jul 29, 2012
 
Jannina, May 25, 1918.
My dear Nicholas :

The Greek authorities have gone as far as Delirnakion
since last October, and even as far as Kossovitza and Vostina.
From there north all the places are occupied by the
Italians.

Now, you can imagine how we get along in our villages.
The Abanians are supported by the Italians and do as they
please. They are now wreaking their vengeance on the
Christians. The Moslem Albanians have grown great
and powerful. Bazes has again returned to our village,
and has begun his old game burning our poor huts.

We are obliged to suffer everything, and to wait for the
arrival of the Greek army. I tell you now the Christians
with joy and hope wait for the arrival of the Greek troops*
indeed with more joy than in 1913, when they were to be
freed from the Turks. So much have they been op-
pressed.

In vain do we wait daily for the Greek forces to march
into Northern Epirus. They are ordered to go to
Saloniki.

In all of North Epirus the Greek teachers have been
dismissed by the Italians, and the Fratelli work as if they
never intended to leave the place.

Italian and Albanian teachers were sent to replace the
Greeks. But the Albanian teachers have everywhere been
driven out of the villages, and no parent will send his child
to learn Albanian.

SPYROS.
Born free - Molon lave

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Jul 29, 2012
 
These people of Norhtern Epirus shold be respected and allowed to determine there own right to self - determination.
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Jul 30, 2012
 
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Ancestors of "minority greek" today, were farmers and shepherds Vlachs (šobej) coming from the mountains of Pindos, to work as servants for the Albanian owners the southern areas.
The area they come from the Middle Ages and during the new was called "small Wallachia" (For more information, read "History of the Balkans" by George Kastelani)
And mountains of Pindos were part of the Albanian vilayets, and are taken from Greece, after 87 years after winning independence.
Aromanian or vlachs who lost their language Aromanian, were assimilated by the Greek Orthodox church, and Greek schools that were opened in all the Albanian vilayets, when Greece won the independence of the Turk.
With the permission of Turkey, Greece asked that everywhere, where there were people who belonged to the Orthodox faith, despite that these were not Greek, learn Greek language.
Those are so-called Greek minority?
You are forgetting something my dear friend!! The "Albanian" vilayets, wich was the Ottoman Term for Empire Territories, were Ottoman Vilayets. Not Albanian, as there wasnt any Albanian State but only Ottoman Empire!!! The fact that those Vilayes were commanding by Albanians like Ali Pasha, as is it known, happend because exactly Those Albanians, your anchestors, were Ottoman Muslims Officers, tottaly becide the Turkish commanding of the Sultan. Those as the most of your populations were the so-called Turkalbanians, because they were qonquers like the others Turks ro as!!They rulled those places in the name of Sultan, for the Sultan and for only the muslims. The others were just almost slaves!! That was the "ownership" of those "albanians" lands!! Occupation by the Qonguers!!About the Vlachs, those were always becide the other Greeks as the Arvanites too!!Becide the Greek schools oppend many Romanian schools which failed tradically because they belived tho hellenism!! The funny to your post is that those scholls in the middle of Ottoman Authority did not crated by other Greeks by the Vlachs them selfs from they diaspora!! The biggest also Educate Foundations in Greece, even before the creation of Greek State made and still exists to many areas of Greece, from the offers of the rich VLACHS !!!The Vlachs were not only from the most fanatic Greeks (the Bulgarians called Grekomanic at Balcans Wars)but they were these who created the modern Greek Educational System from 1821 and after!!So before starting writte silly things just serch it a litte better!!
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Jul 30, 2012
 
Born free - Molon lave wrote:
These people of Norhtern Epirus shold be respected and allowed to determine there own right to self - determination.
These so-called Greek are Aromanian ore vlach assimilated into Greek, and in Albania are opened schools in this language, but you have to open schools for those Arvanites and Vlachos in Greece, which to learn their mother language introduced their language on the Internet for the people to learn.

Strange!!
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Jul 30, 2012
 
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<quoted text>You are forgetting something my dear friend!! The "Albanian" vilayets, wich was the Ottoman Term for Empire Territories, were Ottoman Vilayets. Not Albanian, as there wasnt any Albanian State but only Ottoman Empire!!! The fact that those Vilayes were commanding by Albanians like Ali Pasha, as is it known, happend because exactly Those Albanians, your anchestors, were Ottoman Muslims Officers, tottaly becide the Turkish commanding of the Sultan. Those as the most of your populations were the so-called Turkalbanians, because they were qonquers like the others Turks ro as!!They rulled those places in the name of Sultan, for the Sultan and for only the muslims. The others were just almost slaves!! That was the "ownership" of those "albanians" lands!! Occupation by the Qonguers!!About the Vlachs, those were always becide the other Greeks as the Arvanites too!!Becide the Greek schools oppend many Romanian schools which failed tradically because they belived tho hellenism!! The funny to your post is that those scholls in the middle of Ottoman Authority did not crated by other Greeks by the Vlachs them selfs from they diaspora!! The biggest also Educate Foundations in Greece, even before the creation of Greek State made and still exists to many areas of Greece, from the offers of the rich VLACHS !!!The Vlachs were not only from the most fanatic Greeks (the Bulgarians called Grekomanic at Balcans Wars)but they were these who created the modern Greek Educational System from 1821 and after!!So before starting writte silly things just serch it a litte better!!
Turkey divided Albania in four vilayet:Shkoder; Kosova; Janine; and Manastir.

Despite Turkey and the Greek Orthodox patriarchate who did not allow to open Albanian schools, people in all vilayets continued to speak Albanian; Vilayets were Albania speaking, so the people were Albanian.

Albania had no state in this time because it was under Turkish occupation.

Here is the map of Albanian Vilayets (Ottoman Empire) 1878

http://home.iprimus.com.au/zzrperov/page18.ht...

When Turkey invaded Greece, did not find Greek there, but different people Byzantine, who speak their language, not Greek.

Arvanites are Greek citizens, of Albanian origin, and Vlachos are Greek citizen of aromanian origin. Give them their rights! Stop assimilation!!
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Born free - Molon lave wrote:
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Here are some accounts of the attrocities committed on Greeks;
From a letter sent to Mr. Savas Papadopoulos by his
people living in Northern Epirus :
In Trikoupi, they killed Mr. Take Ntete.
In the district of Argyrocastron the Albanians are
robbing and killing the Greek population.
In upper Lambovon, they killed four Greeks.
In Vlacho-Gorantzi, they killed six Greeks.
In the district of Zagori, they killed ten Greeks, and
many others in other villages.
There are only Italian and Albanian schools in these
districts and no Greek schools or Greek priests are allowed.
Mr. Panagiotis Ditsianis' letter reads in part as follows :
Mr. Cassavetes : Southbridge, Mass.
... From a letter from Worcester, Mass., we learn'
the killing of five persons in Lower-Gorantzi (district of
Argyrocastron) in the most distressing way. The
Albanians put out the eyes of their victims, then they cut their
hands, legs and noses and left them half -dead. When this
terrible fact was referred to the Italian Government, the
officials said to the peasants: "As long as you like to be
united with Greece it is only suffering that you have to
expect." A letter relating the above fact is in the possession
of Mr. Elias Liolios, Worcester, Mass.
There are hundreds more.
Look how they killed and massacred 147 Albanian immigrants in Greece

http://translate.google.com/translate...

Black folder of Greece, 1912-2007

http://translate.google.com/translate...
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Look how they killed and massacred 147 Albanian immigrants in Greece
http://translate.google.com/translate...
Black folder of Greece, 1912-2007
http://translate.google.com/translate...
Turks and Albanians murdering, raping and pillaging the indigenous Greeks for 400 years and what you think we would shower the pavements under your feet with rose petals.
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somebody wrote:
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Turkey divided Albania in four vilayet:Shkoder; Kosova; Janine; and Manastir.
Despite Turkey and the Greek Orthodox patriarchate who did not allow to open Albanian schools, people in all vilayets continued to speak Albanian; Vilayets were Albania speaking, so the people were Albanian.
Albania had no state in this time because it was under Turkish occupation.
Here is the map of Albanian Vilayets (Ottoman Empire) 1878
http://home.iprimus.com.au/zzrperov/page18.ht...
When Turkey invaded Greece, did not find Greek there, but different people Byzantine, who speak their language, not Greek.
Arvanites are Greek citizens, of Albanian origin, and Vlachos are Greek citizen of aromanian origin. Give them their rights! Stop assimilation!!
First of all Greek-Ortodox Patriarch has nothing to do with the Albanian schools.!! Your argument is so unreasonable as if the Pashas and the Ottoman Authorities of those Vilayets, who all were Albanians or in Albanic hands, could created not only schools but even Univerisities of Albanian language. Second Patriarch considerd about the education of the its people and not of the Albanians, most of them were mulsims!!How could a slaved foundation like Patriarch to forbite its Rullers what schools those are going to create or not!! Why that did not happend with the Bulgarians or the Serbs who also belonded to Patriarch of Constaninople and they are not hellenised??Third you have a serious ignorance about the Vlachs!! The Aromanians are not a nation and a part of them are the Vlachs. The Aromanias is the official name of the Vlachs. It is the same and one thing!!!And those Aromanians or Vlachs, did all that titanic effords to educated their own selfs in the middle of Ottoman Slavery,builting and creating by their own money Greek schools and Academys,ignored the Romanian propaganda and were the LIGHTS of Greek language and culture at that period!! They were the most dynamic part of hellenism and Greek nation own them a lot and thats why all the Greek National Offers, a tittle which recognised the constribution of those who held to the reborn of hellenism, were almost ALL VLACHS !!! And to end my post, Ioannina area had the majority Greekphone population and Manastir,(original name is MONASTIRI=CONVENT)had even at the begging of 20th century Greek Vlachs majority of population!!
About what nations Turks found after the fall of Conastantinople, that is another JOKE from you, as you are not posting a source or other proor about those nonsens of yours!! Albanians were not exist probably at that time!!Other wise why the Vyzantines were still spoken in Greek language and many of their texts have survived untill today, why the following centuries after the fall of Vyzantine empire, the pegs of local population to West Lords and Pope for help was made in Greek language and from people with Greek names and at last what the hell was the last Emperor of Vyzantioum, Konstantinos Palaiologos??? You are posting rediculus things im afraid.!! You should worry about the absence of your historicals proofs and not about the Greeks wich are many thousands. Just go to an old church in your country and tell us why the epigrafs are in Greek language and not in Albanian, or Vlach?? Tell us why those Arvavites and Vlachs were not created Albanians and Vlachs schools but schools not just of Greek language but of all Greek history from antiquity,vyzantioum nut also ottoman slavery, were all of them faced that by the same view???

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Jul 31, 2012
 
Free Chameria! Epiri eshte i Joni!
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Jul 31, 2012
 
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Free Chameria! Epiri eshte i Joni!
Free North Epirus!! Free that alive an true Greek land and not gost like bastards chamerians, war criminals!!

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Jul 31, 2012
 
AC/DC the time for you has come to stop worrying about Epirus and all the Albanian lands. You better start worrying about the sinking Greece. Did you sell your Islands yet?
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Jul 31, 2012
 
Born free - Molon lave wrote:
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Turks and Albanians murdering, raping and pillaging the indigenous Greeks for 400 years and what you think we would shower the pavements under your feet with rose petals.
This propaganda you do in Greece, the Albanians have killed the Greeks, but Albania was occupied by the Turks! They suffer not only from the Turks, but also by the Greek Orthodox churches, which do anti-Albanian political. Albanians have suffered, from the Turks more than any other nation. Can you tell me a little, when you have fought the Turk, in what part of the territory of Greece was held war!

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