Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

Rodney wrote:

<quoted text>I think you have over simplified the situation in the middle east, it couldn't be just a matter of people getting along could it ?

Islam poisons the mind Rodney, it tells them they will go to Paradise & get 72 virgins if they kill in the name of Allah. Islam is the poison that ruins minds.

MUQ the weasel here is the rape with no war.

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/philippines/...

This is another example of MUG`s religion of bits n pieces.

sic -Islamic law forbids non-Muslim men to marry Muslim women. See now benign and compatible with Western values Sharia is? "Man murdered for marrying Muslim girl," from PTI, June 16 (thanks to Twostellas):

A 24-year old man was hacked to death allegedly by the brother of a Muslim girl and his associates for marrying her, triggering tension in Idalakudi area of the district, police said.
Ramesh, a goods carrier operator based here, had married the girl belonging to Idalakudi some months ago though her family had opposed it, they said.

On June 14, two persons had stopped Ramesh's vehicle and taken him to Idalakudi where a seven-member gang including the brother of his wife attacked him with iron rods, police said, adding he succumbed to injuries at a hospital yesterday....

Another one of islams finest, this guy killed his wife......why ???? because she disobayed him.

An Egyptian butcher blindly in love with his profession slaughtered his wife and sold her flesh in his shop reported Arabian News Agency (ANA).

After a heated dispute between the couple, the butcher brutally killed his wife, peeled her skin off the bones and cut the flesh into pieces to look like meat.

He then sold the human flesh for Dh230 per kilo to his customers claiming that it was local lamb.

One of the clients who doubted the meat was not lamb informed the police who sent it for examination.

The police was astounded to see the meat was human flesh and immediately impounded it and arrested the butcher.

The guilty murderer confessed to the crime adding that the flesh belonged to the wife whom he had killed.

Police found the hips of the wife in the fridge of the shop and rest of the body at the man’s residence.

He admitted that he had murdered his wife because she refused to obey him.

Jake Bradock wrote:

Another one of islams finest, this guy killed his wife......why ???? because she disobayed him.
An Egyptian butcher blindly in love with his profession slaughtered his wife and sold her flesh in his shop reported Arabian News Agency (ANA).
After a heated dispute between the couple, the butcher brutally killed his wife, peeled her skin off the bones and cut the flesh into pieces to look like meat.
He then sold the human flesh for Dh230 per kilo to his customers claiming that it was local lamb.
One of the clients who doubted the meat was not lamb informed the police who sent it for examination.
The police was astounded to see the meat was human flesh and immediately impounded it and arrested the butcher.
The guilty murderer confessed to the crime adding that the flesh belonged to the wife whom he had killed.
Police found the hips of the wife in the fridge of the shop and rest of the body at the man’s residence.
He admitted that he had murdered his wife because she refused to obey him.

Was this sold as Halal meat.

Muslim immigration might save Aussies from being complete losers.

http://www.pakalertpress.com/2010/07/19/

The History Of The House Of Rothschild, By Andrew Hitchcock Part-33

On 12 May United Nations Ambassador and Ashkenazi Jew, Madeleine Albright, when appearing on 60 Minutes, was asked the following by correspondent Lesley Stahl, in reference to the years of United States led economic sanctions against Iraq,

“We have heard that half a million children have died. I mean, that is more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?” To which Ambassador Albright replied,“I think that is a very hard choice, but the price, we think, the price is worth it.”

Her comments cause no public outcry. In fact, the holocaust of half a million Iraqi children is positively admired by the United States government when you consider less than 8 months later, President Clinton appointed Albright as secretary of state. Whilst appearing before the Senate Committee, who were considering her appointment, Albright is literally chomping at the bit for the blood of more Iraqi children and she states,“We will insist on maintaining tough UN sanctions against Iraq unless and until that regime complies with relevant Security Council resolutions.” 1997:

An Army mechanical engineer, Ashkenazi Jew, David A. Tenenbaum,“inadvertently,” gives classified military information on missile systems and armored vehicles to Israeli officials (New York Times, 20 February 1997). The Washington Post reports US intelligence has intercepted a conversation in which two Israeli officials had discussed the possibility of getting a confidential letter that then-Secretary of State Warren Christopher had written to Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat.

One of the Israelis, identified only as,“Dov,” had commented that they may get the letter from,“Mega,” the code name for Israel’s top agent inside the United States.

US ambassador to Israel, Martin Indyk, complains privately to the Israeli government about heavy-handed surveillance by Israeli intelligence agents.

Israeli agents place a tap on Ashkenazi Jew and daughter of a Rabbi, Monica Lewinsky’s, phone at the Watergate and record phone sex sessions between her and President Bill Clinton. The Ken Starr report confirms that Clinton warned Lewinsky their conversations were being taped and ended the affair. Interestingly, at the same time, the FBI’s hunt for,“Mega,” is called off.

On 29 October Edmond de Rothschild dies in Geneva. Interestingly on the exact same day Anton Szandor LaVey, the founder of the Church of Satan also dies, who in his book,“Satan Speaks,” he states in relation to The Protocols Of The Elders Of Zion,

“The first time I read the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, my instinctive reaction was, So what’s wrong with THAT? Isn’t that the way any master plan should work? Doesn’t the public deserve – nay, demand – such despotism?” Kofi Annan becomes Secretary General to the United Nations. He is married to Nane Lagergren, a Rothschild, who he wed in 1984. 1998: The European Central Bank is set up in Frankfurt, the city from which the Rothschilds originate.

2000: George W. Bush is elected (so they tell me) President of the United States. Bush and his family claim to be descendants of the House of Plantagenet which is descended from the Royal House of Judah.

(Contd.)

CB wrote:

01. I'm sure MUQ believes and is following Islam to its authentic core. Some Muslims would probably disagree but when you read the quran, like I said before it's a self fulfilling prophecy.

02. If I kill an unbeliever and say there are no unbelievers so therefore under Islam theocracy, Islam is the best, it's a self fulfilling prophecy just as the stoning to women who are raped.

03. The reason there are less cases of rape is because They go unreported and un-recorded or/and they're accused of adultery since a woman's testimony is worth half that of a man. Doesn't take much brains to know what this religion of peace is really about. It's about control and it's especially appalling to see this control done to children as young as 6. Happens in many man-made cults.

Ans.

01. Has there been a case where they were no Non Muslims existing in the world? So why Islam is self fulfilling because there are no Non Muslims in the world or in Muslim counties?

I am standing here and I want some one to prove to me that any other religion, its principles and its laws are better than Islam? Let some one come and prove it to me and I will be ready to accept that religion.

02. I do not know from where this logic is derived that punishment for a women who is raped is stoning? I do not find it written anywhere in any book of Islamic Jurisprudence.

In Islam the punishment for adultery is death by stoning (exactly same as Mentioned in Torah or Jewish law). The penalty is same for man and women, there is no difference in the punishment.

But if woman was raped against her wishes, then there is no punishment on her.

And Islam demands four eye witnesses who have seen the sexual act from their own eyes. I think this is the toughest witness test anywhere in the world and in any law.

03. This is a “Standard” excuse of you people when you have no answer is that “Low crime rate” in Islamic countries are low because they are not reported…

Why not take a test and introduce islamic laws in your countries for one year and then see the crime rates drop…

I hope there will be no problem in crime reporting in your countries !!

Aliroger1 wrote:

Muslim immigration might save Aussies from being complete losers.

More than what we can say for you fu@kwit, you`ll always be a limp dic loser.

Aliroger1 wrote:

Muslim immigration might save Aussies from being complete losers.

As long as we can keep the black Moroccans who have a bogus Chinese wives and a bogus German ex wives out of Australia we be okay.

Understanding “Tradition”
by M. Ali Lakhani
"Tradition has nothing to do with any “ages”,
whether “dark”,“primaeval”, or otherwise. Tradition represents
doctrines about first principles, which do not change."
Ananda K. Coomaraswamy, Correspondence, 1946
"...there is nothing and can be nothing truly traditional that does not contain
some element of a super-human order. This indeed is the essential point,
containing as it were the very definition of tradition and all that appertains to it."
René Guénon, The Reign of Quantity
The terms “traditional” and “modern” suggest a distinction between the old and the new, the fixed and the changing, the hallowed way of the past and the progressive way of the future. The underlying polarity that it reflects is rooted in the metaphysical structure of reality, in the architecture of the Absolute inviolability of Substance and the Infinite possibility of Form. This underlying polarity is expressed in the dialectic of Necessity and Freedom. Necessity is the organizing principle of deployment, of projection and reintegration: all that exists emerges from and abides within the common ground of all reality, whose transcendental Substance is simultaneously both its Origin and its End, the criterion of all objectivity. Freedom is the creative principle of this deployment, expressing itself in an infinite variety of modes and modalities of Form and in the immanent potential of our own supra-personal subjectivity.
The terms “Tradition” and “Modernity”, as used by traditionalists like Seyyed Hossein Nasr, are not derivatives of the conventional differentiation between the terms “traditional” and “modern”, though the traditionalists’ particular usage of those terms is premised on the metaphysical structure described above. This can be confusing.
For Nasr,“Modernity” is “that which is cut off from the Transcendent, from the immutable principles which in reality govern all things and which are made known to man through revelation in its most universal sense”, while “Tradition”, by contrast, designates those immutable principles, the sophia perennis or primordial wisdom, which are rooted in the Transcendent. According to this definition, Modernity is not necessarily synonymous with the contemporary (or focused on the future), nor Tradition necessarily with the continuation of history (or focused on the past). Tradition, in this sense, is meta-historical: its only relation to the past resides in the linkage of a particular religious tradition to its original source, which is to say, the revelation that authenticates it, the foundational scripture and its expressive forms of worship transmitted through the protective medium of the particular tradition. But this relation between a particular tradition and its historical origins is in a sense merely incidental. The relation between Tradition as such and Revelation as such transcends history. Revelation “in its most universal sense” is not a historical event: it is based in the eternal present and is continuous. Its authentication is not reduced to one’s ability to retrace it to any particular point in history, rather its authenticity is guaranteed by its ability to resonate as true within the sanctum of the Heart, whose discerning faculty is the supra-rational Intellect. Knowledge is thus a resonance of the spiritual Substance that pervades the whole of creation, and whose presence reverberates within the undefiled Heart. Knowledge is not merely a form of intellectual taxidermy, rather a way of inhabiting the creature itself. It is to be fully human.

In common parlance, the terms “traditional” and “modern” suggest two differing attitudes towards the negotiation of change, the former resisting it, the latter embracing it. But “Tradition”, in the sense of primordial wisdom, is not necessarily resistant to change. The image of Shiva Nataraja embodies the ideas of both stillness (the fixed, or being) and movement (the changing, or becoming).“Tradition” is a combination of both these elements. It is at once static Equilibrium and dynamic Attraction, the classical realism of transcendence and the romantic idealism of immanence. Man is both a slave of change (being subject to the processes of time) and its master (being equipped to transcend it, spiritually). The quest for salvation is, at one level, a quest for peace, the freedom from change, but at another, it is a quest for creativity and freshness, the freedom from petrification. The term “traditional” can have a pejorative implication of excessive rigidity and formalism, while the term “modern” can mean that which is unprincipled or excessively individualistic. In these senses, both the traditional and the modern are opposed to “Tradition”, which recognizes the mutual interdependence of the organizing and creative principles of reality. When creativity ceases to conform to the hierarchies inherent in a spiritually ordered universe, volition becomes satanic and profanes Freedom. And when the demands of conformity stifle genuine spiritual expression, the intellect becomes tyrannical and profanes Necessity.“Tradition” recognizes that Necessity (the intellectual discernment that creative expression has a necessary organizing principle) and Freedom (the transcendence of creative expression in conformity to that organizing principle) are tethered together, and that intellectual discernment has moral implications. The human ethos is thus a dimension of the sacred structure of reality.
“Modernity”, in the sense understood by traditionalists, indicates a tendency to moral “hardness” and intellectual “opacity”. When reality is no longer perceived as metaphysically “transparent to transcendence”, there is no spiritual reality perceived that can resonate within the human soul, nothing to “melt” the heart into compassionate submission, the true and serene Freedom, whose tawdry counterfeit is a soul enslaved by passion, yielding to the momentary gratification of self-indulgence before its unsated appetites are drawn away by the next seduction.
It is in this sense that “Tradition” and “Modernity” are placed in opposition. The traditionalist is not necessarily opposed to the “modern” as conventionally understood, only to “Modernity” as the converse of “Tradition” in the particular sense defined above. A traditionalist may be “modern” in the use of dress, language, modern amenities or technologies, and yet will necessarily be opposed to “Modernity” in the sense of its denial of transcendence or sense of the sacred. Correspondingly, not all that appears “traditional” accords with “Tradition”. So, for instance, fundamentalism, though it may don traditional garb and use traditional language, is the very antithesis of “Tradition”, which eschews fundamentalism’s reduction of the spirit to the letter, its excessive formalism and exclusivism.“By their fruits shall ye know them”, not by their appearances.
Words and labels, in the end, often conceal reality by abstracting it. At their best, they act as symbols, arousing meaning that lies dormant within us.“Tradition” and “Modernity” are ultimately aspects of our selves:“Duo sunt in homine”, taught St. Aquinas, a teaching that resounds throughout traditionalist discourse and within each human soul.

There is in the end an element in each soul that must be overcome for the greater good.“Tradition” invites each of us to fulfil our full human potential, to perceive the outer world with the inner eye, with compassion, and to conform the will to the intellect, thereby overcoming the usurping tendencies of the Promethean self, integrating Truth, Goodness and Beauty in our lives in order to achieve Everlasting Life.
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Aliroger1 wrote:

Muslim immigration might save Aussies from being complete losers.

We don't want to be "winners" like the muslims, run along now with your silly theories

Sheilaa wrote:

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We don't want to be "winners" like the muslims, run along now with your silly theories

What's this holier than hello attitude, sairla?

Aliroger1 wrote:

Let's see who the losers are.

COCOS ISLAND: Where tens of millions of Australian tax dollars are paying for Muslims to live in a tropical paradise without working
Posted: May 15, 2012 | Author: barenakedislam | Filed under: EnemyWithin-foreign | 17 Comments »
Cocos Island, a little-known Australian territory that’s closer to Sri Lanka than Canberra, is an island paradise with an idyllic lifestyle that comes at a massive cost to taxpayers. Centrelink doles out $$millions to support the Muslim population, where unemployment is as high as 80%.
AU NEWS Next financial year, the Federal Government has allocated nearly $53,000 for every person on the islands. All up it is around $37 million to maintain health, education, communication and airline services, and that is on top of a dole bill that runs into the millions each year.
Haji Adams coordinates welfare payment for the 550 odd Muslim population living in the unspoilt paradise that is Australia’s Cocos Keeling Islands. Adams is not only Centrelink’s agent but also Chief Imam, the religious leader of the Muslim community which for nearly three decades has enjoyed up to 80% unemployment.
Living in paradise comes at a cost and the cost of importing food and freight is high.“At the moment I have a number of customers who really have expressed their concern about the rate of payment from Centrelink. It is not really enough because of the cost of living, so I think it is really difficult,” Adam said.
On Home Island you can’t buy alcohol or cigarettes. There are no pubs and pokies, and peoples’ lives are guided by their Islamic faith, but still governed by Australia Law. And while there aren’t the employment opportunities of those from mainland Australia, there is evidence of Centrelink fraud, and it has raised questions as to whether the welfare payments to the Cocos Island are being properly administered.
There is no work for the dole program, and some of those able to work do so part time to share employment opportunities. But some are still exploiting the system.

41-year-old Azman Arkrie and his five children live in one of the 100 government provided homes on the island. He has been back just over a week from serving two months of a three month sentence in jail in Western Australia for Centrelink fraud. Arkrie claims he was unlucky to have been caught, because he certainly was not acting alone. It was confirmed from various sources across both islands that overpayment of welfare on the island had been rife for years.

Dieter Gerhard has lived on the archipelago’s west island for more than twenty years. He says “Australia has bred a welfare mentality, and it has bred that mentality by basically whatever Home Island, wanted the Government was there writing a big cheque.” Loyd Liest is the only European living outside the settlement on Home Island.“I know the Government has spent a lot of dough trying to re-educate and retrain the people in that, but it hasn’t sort of worked,” he said.
Adam’s bosses at Centrelink in Canberra refused to talk to Today Tonight on camera. Despite having an employee on the island they say they are unable to confirm how many investigations are ongoing into the misappropriation or overpayment of Australian taxpayer funds.

LAZY GOOD FOR NOTHINGS. THIS IS WHAT THE REALITY IS WHEN THEY COME TO ANOTHER COUNTRY. DIRT BAGS

The Fixers wrote:

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What's this holier than hello attitude, sairla?

Buzz off and go and learn how to spell.

Aliroger1 wrote:

Muslim immigration might save Aussies from being complete losers.

Coming from an unwashed country deserter, what would you know coward living in our safe peaceful western nations.

Wash your body odor away with soap, and put some air freshener in your filthy cab.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PoTic4Jzga8/TC5OWAc...

You stink

Awesomo 4000 wrote:

"If you have so much moral opposition against rape, then why do you not want to punish rapists by death punishment as called for in Islam?"
-MUQ
Shows you know nothing about our law system. We punish rapists not by death; that does not necessarily mean it isn't punishment.
You know for most people,serving decades in one cell; one prison with violent inmates all around is much worse than a quick death.
Once again you do not understand the benevolent west. The west also is preoccupied to the innocent family members; who should not suffer the passing of a loved one. Especially if the loved one did somethings considered innocent such as leaving islam or coming out of the closet as homosexual.
Let us be frank; how efficient is a system where you force the rapist to live with the victim for the rest of their life.
The victim wants nothing to do with the rapist; yet the rapist can simply intentionally rapes the girl to forcibly marry her.
Why not send the money through the mail; this is the western system. If a couple wants to divorce; the child is entitled to both parents or preferably one.
In Islam; the man can just snatch away the child because of "financial security" instead of paying child welfare. The woman who gave birth and gave the most care and love to the child has their child grabbed away from their hands
What type of twisted justice is this?
Admit MUQ; no matter how much you revere the warlord prophet; the quran is simple outdated in thinking.
There are more efficient methods; more ways to investigate the laws in which a country governs itself.
You muslims simply leave nothing for option. No wonder creativity in the muslim world and scientific intuitive is so stiflingly undeveloped.

What you did not mention, is the burden Islam places on the rest of the family, when a Muslim steals the first time they chop of the hand he or she stole with.
If the same thief get caught again now the other hand is removed.

Can you imagine how Islam is not only punishing the person that stole, but punishing a mother or a family member who has never committed any crime, in their entire life.
The mother or a Samaritan person has to carry the punishment of washing the arses of those that lost their hands and feed them, and dress them, for with no hands and no training you ain't going to b e able to do those things we all take for granted.
In most cases Islam is punishing the mother for the rest of her life.
This is the religion they call the religion of peace.