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‘Bradford is very inbred’: Muslim outrage as professor warns first-cousin marriages increase risk of birth defects
By The Salfordian, on May 30th, 2011
Inbreeding among ‘British’ Muslims is threatening the health of their children, a leading geneticist warned yesterday.
Professor Steve Jones, from University College London, said the common practice in Islamic communities for cousins to marry each other increased the risk of birth defects.
‘There may be some evidence that cousins marrying one another can be harmful,’ he told an audience at the Hay Festival.
‘We should be concerned about that as there can be a lot of hidden genetic damage. Children are much more likely to get two copies of a damaged gene.
‘Bradford is very inbred. There is a huge amount of cousins marrying each other there.’
Studies have shown that 55 per cent of British Pakistanis are married to first cousins – and in Bradford, this rises to 75 per cent.
Other research has found that children of first cousins are ten times more likely to have recessive genetic disorders and face deafness, blindness and infant mortality.
But Prof Jones’s comments provoked anger among some Muslim groups (Shock Horror) yesterday.
Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of the Ramadhan Foundation, which promotes the image of Muslims in Britain, said:‘I know many Muslims who have married their cousins and none of them have had a problem with their children.
‘Obviously, we don’t want any children to be born disabled who don’t need to be born disabled, so I would advise genetic screening before first cousins marry (So long as the taxpayers pay for it).
‘But I find Steve Jones’s comments unworthy of a professor. Using language like “inbreeding” to describe cousins marrying is completely inappropriate and further demonises Muslims.’
Concern about the risks to children from first-cousin marriage has been described as the last great taboo.
Former environment minister Phil Woolas was rebuked by Downing Street in 2008 for saying British Pakistanis are fuelling rates of birth defects by marrying their cousins, with the spokesman for then prime minister Gordon Brown saying the issue was not one for ministers to comment on.
Mohammed Saleem Khan, chief executive of the Bradford Council for Mosques, said:‘It is important to discuss these issues, but I just do not know of any firm evidence backing up Professor Jones’s claims. I think we need more conclusive studies so we can know for certain if there is any genuine risk.
‘Marriages between cousins is certainly common within south Asia, but it is becoming less so in Britain and also in Bradford. Islam allows you to marry anyone you want, so in many ways Islam promotes diversity.’(LMFAO)
In his talk, Prof Jones said inbreeding was not confined to Muslims, and historically had occurred in every part of society, including the royal family.
He said:‘We are all more incestuous than we realise. In Northern Ireland lots of people share the same surname, which suggests a high level of inbreeding.
‘There’s a lot of surname diversity in London but if you look at the Outer Hebrides there are rather fewer surnames in relation to the number of people.’
Prety telling figures, is it possible for a woman to initiate divorce under islamic law. I wonder how many if any divorces were initiated by women since it is so easy for a man to do it. In Malaysia under sharia law it is now accepted that a wife can be divorced by her husband by text message alone.
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Allah uh Akbar which means Allah will f**k all Australians out of the world...ROFL....
Kid, its past your bedtime.
In reply to the bible being changed: The bible today is the same as the bible was in the 7th century.
The Quran declares the Bible to be a true revelation of God and demands faith in the Bible. Sura 2:40-42,126,136,285; 3:3,71,93; 4:47,136; 5:47-51, 69,71-72; 6:91; 10:37,94; 21:7; 29:45,46; 35:31; 46:11
While Muslims all over the world charge Christianity and Judaism with changing and corrupting the Bible, such charges are not explicitly made even once in the Quran or the Hadith, their own authoritative scriptures. Furthermore, we see from the Quran and the Hadith that Muhammad instructed Muslims to both follow and revere the scared Taurat (Old Testament) and Injeel (Gospels). This of course, would have been impossible if the authentic Taurat and Injeel did not exist during the time of Muhammad. But we see that the Quran and Hadith make it clear that Muhammad himself referred to them, honored them, and considered them authoritative and binding on the people of his day. Today there is definitive historical evidence that the Bible today is essentially the same as it was before, during and after the time of Muhammad. We conclude therefore that the popular Muslim view of the Bible is in error, and out of sync with their own scriptures. And thus, Muslims are still bound to read, believe and obey the Scriptures of the Old Testament and the Gospels
Many great MUSLIM teachers DO NOT believe the Bible has been corrupted and ACCEPT the authenticity of our PRESENT New Testament texts.
1. Ali al-Tabari (died 855) accepted the Gospel texts
2. Amr al-Ghakhiz (869) " " " "
3. BUKHARI (810-870) " " " " (he gathered some of the earliest tradition of Islam quoted the Quran itself to support his belief in the text of the Bible Sura 3:72,78)
4. Al-Mas’udi (956) " " " "
5. Abu Ali Husain Bin Sina (1037)" " "
6. AL-GHAZZALI (1111) " " " " (probably the greatest Muslim scholar he lived after Ibn-Khazem but did not accept his teachings)
7. Ibn-Khaldun (1406) " " " " " " (he lived after Ibn-Khazem but did not accept his teachings but rather believed the earlier Islamic teachers.)
8. Sir Sayyid Ahmad Khan, founder of the Aligarh College "In the opinion of us Mohammedans it is not proved that corruption (tahrif-i-lafzi)...was practiced."
9. Fakhruddin Razi, on the authority of Ibn Abbas, a nephew of Muhammed, "The Jews and early Christians were suspected of altering the text of the Taurat and Injil; but in the opinion of eminent doctors and theologians it was not practicable thus to corrupt the text, because those Scriptures were generally known and widely circulated, having been handed down from generation to generation."
In the end we see that the popular Muslim view that Christians and Jews have corrupted their Scriptures fails. It fails to find support among the Quran, the Hadith, or wide support among Muslim scholars.
Your claim that the bible has been corrupted is based on the fact that if you believe what the bible says then your scriputures must be wrong (which they are) and islam falls down in a heap. Mohammad believed in it in his day. The bible that was written before him and after his is the same. There are over 6000 manuscripts to support this.
Tsk tsk, rejecting part of the Quran, that’s the death sentence for you MUQ. So you reject this part of the verse,“or (the captives and slaves) that their right hands possess”. I guess you know it’s evil to rape captives like the Quran demands you to. If you think that's evil, then you have no choice but to reject Islam entirely, for if a single word is in error, then it can't be the words of a all knowing God.
Come on MUQ, it's time to man up here; you can either state that the Quran is truthful in everything including the rape of captives & slaves, or you can state that it's false and reject it formally as such. You've already given de-facto rejection of it, now it's time to stand up for your own values.
Jiddah, Saudi Arabia
Do you mean to say that West would jump to reasonable and logical solutions and statements which Islam suggests?
Have you not heard about something called biased and crooked thinking?
West knows very well that Islamic justice system will bring down their rate of crimes drastically, have they jumped over their head to apply it in their countries?
In the same way, it is bias against Islam and everything connected with islam that biases these people to apply it and posts like yours are ample proof about it.
When they consider “least painful way” to kill an animal and at the same time get healthier meat, they looked every where except the islamic / Jewish way, why? Because it is Islamic / jewish way and they do not want to have any thing to do about it.
Like eating the flesh of swine, is their any “evidence” that swine flesh is really better and healthier than food of lawful animal prescribed in islamic and Jewish laws? But western people simply “die” to dig their teeth into swine flesh!!
Why? Because it is against Islamic / Jewish law, and they must do every thing opposite to what they say.
This is also a type of sickness.
Jiddah, Saudi Arabia
Let us close down this debate on methods of slaughter with following remarks:
1. The Jews with their intellect, and with their knowledge and with so many Nobel Prize winners, if they are following some practice, how it can be wrong? If any one still criticizes Jewish ways, he or she might be booked under Anti Semite laws.
2. The Best and most painless way is to wait, till the animal dies its natural death and then we can eat its meat, why kill a young animal at all!! Every animal born has to die, so the meat supply shall not end!!
So let us end this discussion on this happy note
Jiddah, Saudi Arabia
The History Of The House Of Rothschild, By Andrew Hitchcock Part-26
1957: James de Rothschild dies and it is reported (by the Rothschild owned media) that he bequeaths a large sum of money to the state of Israel to pay for the construction of their parliament building, the Knesset. He states that the Knesset should be,
“a symbol, in the eyes of all men, of the permanence of the State of Israel.” On page 219 of his book,“Tales of the British Aristocracy,” L.G. Pine, the Editor of Burke’s Peerage, states that the Jews,“have made themselves so closely connected with the British peerage that the two classes are unlikely to suffer loss which is not mutual.
So closely linked are the Jews and the lords that a blow against the Jews in this country would not be possible without injuring the aristocracy also.” Maurice de Rothschild dies in Paris. 1962: de Rothschild Frčres establishes Imétal as an umbrella company for all their mineral mining interests.
Frederic Morton publishes his book, The Rothschilds, in which he states,
“Though they control scores of industrial, commercial, mining and tourist corporations, not one bears the name Rothschild. Being private partnerships, the family houses never need to, and never do, publish a single public balance sheet, or any other report of their financial condition.” This attitude reveals the true aim of the Rothschilds, to eliminate all competition and create their own worldwide monopoly.
1963: On June 4th President John F. Kennedy (the 35th President of the United States 1961 ¬ 1963) signs Executive Order 11110 which returned to the U.S. government the power to issue currency, without going through the Rosthchilds owned Federal Reserve.
Less than 6 months later on November 22nd , president Kennedy is assassinated by the Rothschilds for the same reason as they assassinated President Abraham Lincoln in 1865, he wanted to print American money for the American people, as oppose to for the benefit of a money grabbing war mongering foreign elite.
This Executive Order 11110, is rescinded by President Lyndon Baines Johnson (the 36th President of the United States 1963 to 1969) on Air Force One from Dallas to Washington, the same day as President Kennedy was assassinated.
Another, and probably the primary, reason for Kennedy’s assassination is however, the fact that he made it quite clear to Israeli Prime Minister, David Ben-Gurion, that under no circumstances would he agree to Israel becoming a nuclear state. The Israeli newspaper Ha’aretz on February 5, 1999, in a review of, Avner Cohen’s book,“Israel and the Bomb,” states the following,
“The murder of American President John F. Kennedy brought to an abrupt end the massive pressure being applied by the U.S. administration on the government of Israel to discontinue the nuclear program…
The book implied that, had Kennedy remained alive, it is doubtful whether Israel would today have a nuclear option.” Edmond de Rothschild establishes La Compagnie Financičre Edmond de Rothschild (LCF), in Switzerland as a venture capital house. This later develops into an investment bank and asset management company with many affiliates. He also marries his wife Nadine and they have a son, Benjamin de Rothschild.
1965: Israel illegally obtains enriched uranium from NUMEC (Nuclear Materials and Equipment Corporation).
Wheelers Hill, Australia
There are millions of westerners who don't eat pork MUQ. Are you relying on ethnic stereotyping for your arguments now?
Mohammed Said Allah hates those who don't accept Islam.
(Qur'an 30:4, 3:32, 22:38)
Jesus Said God loves everyone.
mohummed said"I have been commanded to fight
against people till they testify that there
is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad
is the messenger of Allah"
Jesus said "He who lives by the sword
will die by the sword."
mohummed Stoned women for adultery.
Jesus said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
mohummed Permitted stealing from unbelievers.
(Bukhari 44:668, Ibn Ishaq 764)
Jesus said "Thou shalt not steal."
mohummed Permitted lying.
(Sahih Muslim 6303, Bukhari 49:857)
Jesus said "Thou shalt not bear false witness."
mohummed Owned and traded slaves.
(Sahih Muslim 3901)
Jesus Neither owned nor traded slaves.
mohummed Beheaded 800 Jewish men and boys.
(Sahih Muslim 4390)
Jesus Beheaded no one.
mohummedMurdered those who insulted him.
(Bukhari 56:369, 4:241)
Jesus Preached forgiveness.
(Matthew 18:21-22, 5:38)
mohummed said"If then anyone transgresses
the prohibition against you,
Transgress ye likewise against him"
Jesus said "If someone strikes you on the right
cheek, turn to him the other also."
mohummed said Jihad in the way of Allah elevates one's position in Paradise by a hundred fold.
Jesus said "Blessed are the peacemakers, for
they will be called Sons of God"
mohummed Married 13 wives and kept sex slaves.
(Bukhari 5:268, Qur'an 33:50)
Jesus Was celibate.
mohummed Slept with a 9-year-old child.
(Sahih Muslim 3309, Bukhari 58:236)
Jesus Did not have sex with children.
mohummed Ordered the murder of women.
(Ibn Ishaq 819, 995)
Jesus Never harmed a woman.
mohummed said"O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you
and let them find in you hardness."
Jesus said"Blessed are the meek, for
they shall inherit the earth."
mohummed Ordered 65 military campaigns
and raids in his last 10 years.
(Ibn Ishaq )
Jesus Ordered no military campaigns, nor
offered any approval of war or violence.
mohummed Killed captives taken in battle.
(Ibn Ishaq 451)
Jesus Never took captives.Never killed anyone.
mohummed Encouraged his men to rape enslaved women.
(Abu Dawood 2150, Qur'an 4:24)
Jesus Never encouraged rape.Never enslaved women.
mohummed Demanded captured slaves and
a fifth of all other loot taken in war.
Jesus"The Son of Man came not
to be served, but to serve."
mohummed Was never tortured, but tortured others.
(Muslim 4131, Ibn Ishaq 436, 595, 734, 764)
Jesus Suffered torture, but never tortured anyone.
mohummed said"And fight them until there is no more persecution and religion is only for Allah"
Jesus said "Love your enemies and pray
for those who persecute you"
mohummed Blessed the brutal murder of a half-blind man
Jesus Healed a blind man (Mark 8:28)
mohummed Ordered a slave to build the very pulpit
from which he preached Islam.
Jesus Washed his disciples feet.
mohummed said What are the Greatest Commandments?
"Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause"
Jesus said What are the Greatest Commandments?
"Love God and love thy neighbor as thyself."
mohummed Died fat and wealthy from what was
taken from others in war or demanded from others in tribute.
Jesus Demanded nothing for himself.
Died without possessions.
mohummed Advocated crucifying others.
(Qur'an 5:33, Muslim 16:4131)
Jesus Was crucified himself.
mohummed According to his followers:
Had others give their lives for him.
(Sahih Muslim 4413)
Jesus According to his followers:
Gave his life for others.
(John 18:11 and elsewhere)
Well said, would you post it on the world forum?
The forum is will Islam conquer Italy and the entire west
Whenever MUQ is cornered he will do the weasel act.
MUQ all you are is a Weasel, you weasel yourself out of answering me for you knew you were losing.
MUQ read the Qur'an and discover the lies in the Qur'an.
Elias Welcome back
I'm going to guess that Topix censors were at work.
Tsk tsk, rejecting part of the Quran, that’s the death sentence for you MUQ. So you reject this part of the verse,“or (the captives and slaves) that their right hands possess”. I guess you know it’s evil to sexually assault captives like the Quran demands you to. If you think that's evil, then you have no choice but to reject Islam entirely, for if a single word is in error, then it can't be the words of a all knowing God.
Come on MUQ, it's time to man up here; you can either state that the Quran is truthful in everything including the sexual assault of captives & slaves, or you can state that it's false and reject it formally as such. You've already given de-facto rejection of it, now it's time to stand up for your own values.
But there are "hundreds of millions" who are dieing to put their teeth into flesh of swine....non swine eating people are in minority... and in the age of democracy, minority does not count.
Like in any company, minority share holders have no voice.
I for one. Pork is simply poor quality cheap dog meat, and I'm pleased I never ate it as a child.
Brother when I say a topic is closed, it is closed fro me....there is no limit on your imagination.
You are free to assume any thing you want to assume.
I do not answer every question, and I do not give my opinion on every objection you raise.
I pick and choose and I have full right to do so on a public forum.
So here are you with your “new pearls of Wisdom”, let us analyze more salient of them:
A. Bible being same as it was in 7th century:
How idiotic is your statement you can yourself see.
When we see “before our own eyes” different versions of Bible, how can we say that Bible today is same as it was in 7th Century?
1. We have RC Bible with 73 Books and Protestant Bible with 66 Books, was that the same in 7th century?
2. We have KJV and then we have RSV, many verses from KJV are removed from RSV, was that the same situation in 7th century?
3. Then we have NIV, NKJV, Jehovah’s Witness version and innumerable versions of Bible…
This is what we see before out own eyes, how can we simply believe your statement that Bible is same as it was in 7th century?
And what about changes that happened before 7th Century? They “automatically” become word of God?
B Quran Confirming Bible:
04. It is strange that you take recourse to Quran to prove that Bible is Authentic!! According to you Quran is not a Book of God, so how come you are quoting from Quran.
05. Quran never speaks about Bible as a whole (I mean collection of 66 or 73 books) it speaks about Torah and INJEEL and ZABUR and revelations sent to prophet of God.
06. Quran also accuses Jews and Christians of changing words from their locations and writing books with their own hands and claiming that they came from God.
07. Quran only confirms that revelation which was given to Moses and Jesus and David and other prophets were from God, that is all.
C. It is ONLY Muslims that claim Bible is corrupted:
08. You try to give false impression that it is ONLY Muslims who made this claim that Bible is corrupted.
09. The reality is that this started between jews and Christians themselves. Jews accuse Christians of corrupting the Bible and Christians accuse the Jews.
10. Otherwise how is it possible that Christians see “Only” Jesus mentioned in OT books and Jews do not see him mentioned not even once.
11. Then all these different sects and denominations of Christians they all accuse each other of corrupting their Bibles, they each have and had their own Bibles.
12. It were Christian Scholars who took up the work of comparing different manuscripts and checking how much they differ from each other. They came to conclusion that “No two copies of most ancient Bibles are exact copies of each other”!!
D. It was not possible to corrupt the Scriptures:
13. When we see with our own eyes, so many different versions of Bible and each differing from each other and we see that in our “Most modern and advance age” the work of “correcting mistakes in Bible” is still going on, how can we accept your statement?
14. It was always very easy to change verses of Bible as it is still possible to change them and do not include any verse in “your version” of Bible!!
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