Is the Mahavamsa a tissue of Myths?

Cosmopolitan wrote:

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Hi Former Lankan, is it my imagination, but does not some of the more virulent nationalist Sinhalese retoric on these boards sound more and more like Germany in the 1930s? And they call themselves Buddhist. LOL!
Mrs C

HUH HUH very funny. You pour wine to his cup.

Former Lankan wrote:

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You keep repeating the fact that Sri Lanka is your homeland and dont think its a mantra, but when we claim our homeland that is mantra.. nice logic.
Also what do you intend to do with all the Tamils living in northeast once you capture it? Because eradicating the LTTE is one thing, how do you plan to eradicate all the Tamils? If you dont eradicate all the Tamils and Tamils are still left in northeast they can always claim that it is their homeland? Couldn't they? Perhaps PA and you can setup camp in northeast and start preaching the Mahavamsa and see how many people follow your teachings? Perhaps... The saga of the mahavamsa continues ladies and gentlemen..

Until you stop keep repeating the Mantra, the conflict has no end.

When tamils say north and is the homeland of tamils ONLY, nobody will agree with that.

When you say north and east is homeland of tamils,
it mean tamil culture of the world started in north and east which is not true.

tamils came to North with already matured culture AND also to a already developed area (developed by earlier Sinhalese).

Indian tamil imperialism invadered that land because it had already a developed land so that they can loot the area.

As most sinhalese Kings were not worriers (due to Buddhism), when invaders attacked the king fled to south with people.

And in a certain time when the invading king was weak, sinhalese king fought with him and united the srilanka.

That is the truth.

Do not compare sinhalese with Praba culture.

He is the person who kills sinhalese in the north and eradicate them from North.

IF sinhalese want to eradicate tamils from North and east, we do not need to start it from North and east.

If we want to eradicate tamils we start it from South. And no sinhalese applaud what was happening in the 1983.

You are the guys who like to see and who even applauded eradication of sinhalese from North.

If 6% tamils have a right to stay in South , Sinhalese have the same right to stay in North.

That is the simplest theory, there is no algebra in it.

Ok Ok.. Mahavamsa is tissue!
Can we stop this retarda thread?

Former Lankan wrote:

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PA, thanks for your rebuttle. Listen I may call you names but dont take it personally. I am okay with your argument but still your comments are glaring in that it shows how even in ancient times the Sinhalese had an inferior complex. I recently read that the Norwagians and Denmark had fought over 50 battles. Look where they are today. Their past has not stopped them from moving forward.
In terms of globalisation and its effect on Sri Lanka especially the conflict you dont mention any insight. You keep beating your chest about writings, why dont you share some of that insight with us? Have you read the final report of the APRC? I am trying to locate it but it does not seem to exist on the web.
The Sri Lankan conflict cannot be solved on the battlefield. We have a solid 30 year track record that shows that very clearly. We need to solve it in todays context. I hear that the APRC report had addressed both the JVP and LTTE apects very clearly and a well thought out deliverable. We need to see some progress in thinking from Colombo. I think the expertise exist in the country but unfortunately these politicians are letting it take center stage for purposes of selfishness.
We are working through several channels from here in the states to bring peace and address the humanitarian crisis. I do think it will have some effect in the near future.. Think strategic and not communal... that would be a good start.

Singhalese never had an inferiority complex, neither in ancient times nor today. But what we have is a sense of history and a sense of destiny.That's why our ancestors built cities like anuradhapura,built huge dagobas, dug massive tanks, or constrcuted palaces on Sigiriya. They thought big. Our ancestors wrote the three great chronicles with that idea in mind- to keep records of their achievements. Also all great civilizations keep records.
Speaking of Norway, I read recently an article on the treatment of roma(gypsies) in Europe. Norway was described as a minor abuser: they only sterilized the roma women in the 1930s and confined them to reservation like camps at far ends of the country. They also made records of them and voluntarily handed over the files to the Germans when Norway was occupied. Postwar they tried a policy of forced assimilation until the 1970s by taking children away from the parents.
The economy: we are suffering from loss of opportunity rather than true destruction. That's why I think that the destruction of the LTTE is necessary and will offer new economic opportunities. The humanitarian crisis will be soon resolved once this is achieved
Politicians: I have to deal with them quite a lot but reserve my comments.

Punc wrote:

Mrs. C, what's your imagination tell you about this? Just pondering!
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I don't like it, but is it fascist or just vulgar?
For example you post some, how to describe it, crass and course comments, however I can tell your not a fascist. You do not believe in the purity and superiority of your own race.

You just hate Tamils, which is a shame.

Mrs C

Pure Aryan wrote:

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Singhalese never had an inferiority complex, neither in ancient times nor today. But what we have is a sense of history and a sense of destiny.That's why our ancestors built cities like anuradhapura,built huge dagobas, dug massive tanks, or constrcuted palaces on Sigiriya. They thought big. Our ancestors wrote the three great chronicles with that idea in mind- to keep records of their achievements. Also all great civilizations keep records.
Speaking of Norway, I read recently an article on the treatment of roma(gypsies) in Europe. Norway was described as a minor abuser: they only sterilized the roma women in the 1930s and confined them to reservation like camps at far ends of the country. They also made records of them and voluntarily handed over the files to the Germans when Norway was occupied. Postwar they tried a policy of forced assimilation until the 1970s by taking children away from the parents.
The economy: we are suffering from loss of opportunity rather than true destruction. That's why I think that the destruction of the LTTE is necessary and will offer new economic opportunities. The humanitarian crisis will be soon resolved once this is achieved
Politicians: I have to deal with them quite a lot but reserve my comments.

That is certainly a way to look at Sinhala civilisation. However you can certainly see the bias in that there is much Tamil history intertwined in Sinhala History. The damns, pagodas you speak of were all part of much larger civilisations of the Indus valley. It is now well accepted that those civilisations were dravidians and they moved southward.. This does not mean the Sinhalese ancestors were not part of them.. They are all one and the same people. The Sinhalese were not airlifted and dropped in Sri Lanka.. It is called the journey of man and is well documented.

All-in-all if you think eliminating the LTTE is going to bring economic prosperity you are wrong and here is why. The LTTE is filling a political void. No decent Tamil supports the tactics of the LTTE. However they do understand that it is a counter weight to the chauvinism of the Sinhala state. Here is the rub, the Sri Lankan state has not shown signs of shacking its chauvinistic ways. It continues today with impunity.. A good example is the eastern province. It made a huge clamour that the east is been freed of the LTTE. It interpreted the fact that LTTE went from conventional war to gurrilla warfare as a military victory. It is now paying the price in Muhamalai...

The eastern province has only seen projects to alter the demography couched in economic development. Here is how it goes..
The creation of Amparai district making Tamils who were the predominant majority in that area into a minority, the insertion Sinhala areas in Trincomalee thus making it a hotspot of ethnic pogroms, the creation of the Manalaru HSZ and Sinhala settlements, the massacres and burning of Tamil homes to chase them away in order to facilitate these changes.

Elias wrote:

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I asked you who flattended Jaffna, not the cause....
I'll also ask who kills the most Tamil children -

hey dont u know u cant clap with only one hand, jaffna was only second to colombo before all this was started by the "tamils"

For all tamil extremists and for sinhalese who go GROCERY for them. Report from Tamilnadu.

The controversial Chief Minister of Tamilnadu MR. Karunanidhi has dropped a bombshell in the State Assembly Tamilnadu recently making the stunning statement that the dream of the LTTE a Tamil Eelam will never be a reality. In his statement he recalled with grief the brutal assassination of his late friend Mr. Amirthalingam by the LTTE.

The Chief Minister was speaking on several pro-LTTE resolutions moved by pro-LTTE Pattali Makkal party leader Mr. Gnakoon Sudarshan. The resolution requested the Indian Central government to exert pressure on the Sri Lanka Government to stop the Wanni military operations against the Tigers forthwith. The Chief Minster explained that the military operations against the LTTE is not a war against the Tamil people. The Tamilnadu Congress leader Mr. Gnasekaran and Mr. Hasan Ali opposed the resolution and voiced their support to the Chief Ministers stance.

It was pointed out that the LTTE was a guerilla movement believing only in terrorism and a small armed group. The Chief Minister reiterated that the LTTE does not represent the Tamil community. The LTTE desperately needs Indians intervention to avert an ignoramus defeat, be stressed.

Mr. Vaiko the leader of M.R.M.K. is the chief exponent of the Eelam concept in India. He tried in vain to mobilize the support of the International Community to the Eelam cause. He also met with the Prime Minister of India Mr. Manamohan Singh and requested him to intervene in the conflict in Sri Lanka. Fortunately the Prime Minister had not responded to his request. His next strategy is to meet with the Secretary General of the U.N.O. Mr. Moon to urge him to intervene in the conflict in Sri Lanka.

The defeat of the move of the Eelam lobbyists in the Tamilnadu State Assembly is a major setback for the LTTE which isolated the dreaded terrorist outfit from Tamilnadu.

The Chief Minister in his wisdom has foiled the strategic attempt by the LTTE to involve the Indian government in Sri Lanka's operations. This augurs well for the future of the Sri Lankan Tamil community who earn to live in a peaceful environment once tiger terrorism is eliminated.

Hapu wrote:

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Good to hear from you after sometime. We thought you had left.

HAPU, THE GROCERY BOY AND MYTHICAL HOMELAND PROMOTER,

I HAVE AN ITEM WHICH YOU CAN SHARE WITH YOUR HOMELAND PARIAHS.

HAVE FUN!!!!!

The controversial Chief Minister of Tamilnadu MR. Karunanidhi has dropped a bombshell in the State Assembly Tamilnadu recently making the stunning statement that the dream of the LTTE a Tamil Eelam will never be a reality. In his statement he recalled with grief the brutal assassination of his late friend Mr. Amirthalingam by the LTTE.

The Chief Minister was speaking on several pro-LTTE resolutions moved by pro-LTTE Pattali Makkal party leader Mr. Gnakoon Sudarshan. The resolution requested the Indian Central government to exert pressure on the Sri Lanka Government to stop the Wanni military operations against the Tigers forthwith. The Chief Minster explained that the military operations against the LTTE is not a war against the Tamil people. The Tamilnadu Congress leader Mr. Gnasekaran and Mr. Hasan Ali opposed the resolution and voiced their support to the Chief Ministers stance.

It was pointed out that the LTTE was a guerilla movement believing only in terrorism and a small armed group. The Chief Minister reiterated that the LTTE does not represent the Tamil community. The LTTE desperately needs Indians intervention to avert an ignoramus defeat, be stressed.

Mr. Vaiko the leader of M.R.M.K. is the chief exponent of the Eelam concept in India. He tried in vain to mobilize the support of the International Community to the Eelam cause. He also met with the Prime Minister of India Mr. Manamohan Singh and requested him to intervene in the conflict in Sri Lanka. Fortunately the Prime Minister had not responded to his request. His next strategy is to meet with the Secretary General of the U.N.O. Mr. Moon to urge him to intervene in the conflict in Sri Lanka.

The defeat of the move of the Eelam lobbyists in the Tamilnadu State Assembly is a major setback for the LTTE which isolated the dreaded terrorist outfit from Tamilnadu.

The Chief Minister in his wisdom has foiled the strategic attempt by the LTTE to involve the Indian government in Sri Lanka's operations. This augurs well for the future of the Sri Lankan Tamil community who earn to live in a peaceful environment once tiger terrorism is eliminated.

I is good that this discussion has raised awareness amongst the uneducated regarding the authenticity of the mahawamsa
It is heartening to note that despite initial reservations the vast majority has unequivocally accepted the reality of the historical facts contained within it
Well done all of you !

Prof Samuel J Oppenheimer wrote:

I is good that this discussion has raised awareness amongst the uneducated regarding the authenticity of the mahawamsa
It is heartening to note that despite initial reservations the vast majority has unequivocally accepted the reality of the historical facts contained within it
Well done all of you !

The problem is that there are so many who condemn the book without having read it in the first place

Emmanuel wrote:

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The problem is that there are so many who condemn the book without having read it in the first place

i could not agree with you more. I found that most people only talk about the first few pages and decide that it is fiction or racist.

Manohar wrote:

Did you guys know that Sinhalese kings signed documents in Tamil! such document is in the Dutch museum!
Sinhalese are nothing more than Tamil converts to Sinhala...Buddhism is a sector of Hinduism and therefore it was encouraged...

It was in Malayalam (that was because the last kings were of Malayalam descent - like the kings of England being of German descent).

Did you know that the document of surrender of the Jaffna Kingdom to the Portuguese was singed in Sinhalese?

Also did you know that the Dutch settled Tamils in Jaffna for labor at their tobacco plantations?

Buddhism a sector of Hinduism? The truth can be nothing far from that!! There is no concept of God or gods in Buddhism, it simply states that the mind is greatest (and that god was a creation of the human mind!) Buddhism denounces the caste system, has no belief in astrology and all sorts of ludicrous practices of Hinduism (like marrying dogs to ward off curses and marrying donkeys to get more rain!)

Also did you know that there is no archeological evidence to back up the claim of a Tamil Homeland in the North and East of SL? No buildings, stone inscriptions etc. attributed to Tamils whatsoever!

Also read the history of the Tamil Sangam a little more. Well it came to light in 1850's from S. V. Damodaram Pillai and U. V. Swaminatha Iyer. It was in essence "rediscovered". Read it a little carefully and get a grip of reality. After all the Sangams lasted for (...one year, two years, five years....no 4440, 3700, 1850 years!)

"The mind of the bigot is like the pupil of the eye, the more light you shine upon it, the more it contracts." Oliver Wendel Holmes

Rigitala Jayasena wrote:

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Buddhism a sector of Hinduism? The truth can be nothing far from that!! There is no concept of God or gods in Buddhism, it simply states that the mind is greatest (and that god was a creation of the human mind!) Buddhism denounces the caste system, has no belief in astrology and all sorts of ludicrous practices of Hinduism (like marrying dogs to ward off curses and marrying donkeys to get more rain!)

"Further many Hindu deities who have ethnic Tamil origins such as Kannaki and Ayyanar have become as part of the Sinhala Buddhist worship system. These deities are known as Pathini and Ayyanayake respectively. Along with other traditional gods within the Hindu pantheon such as Vishnu, Shiva and Brahma. It is norm for Buddhist temples in Sri Lanka to have shrines to Gods such as Skanda, Vishnu and Ganesha, who have now become part of the Sinhala Buddhist pantheon."

Mrs C

Prof Samuel J Oppenheimer wrote:

I is good that this discussion has raised awareness amongst the uneducated regarding the authenticity of the mahawamsa
It is heartening to note that despite initial reservations the vast majority has unequivocally accepted the reality of the historical facts contained within it
Well done all of you !

I think most educated people , tamils included accept that the mahawamsa is the authentic histroy of sri lanka
we should not worry about the uneducated people as they will be incapable of understanding history

vishwalingam wrote:

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I think most educated people , tamils included accept that the mahawamsa is the authentic histroy of sri lanka
we should not worry about the uneducated people as they will be incapable of understanding history

Historical to the extent that it was written in order to justify the Sinhalese existence on the island. It was written by the Sinhalese therefore completely biased, as any intelligent person knows.
Just like the ancient Egyptians didn't mention any military defeats in battle. Why would the Sinhalese monks say ' We happened to come to the island because vijay's dad banished him and made a civilisation' When the aim of the text is to justify ruling over the other races. It was for self glorification, therefore cannot be trusted.

The reason why it cannot be challeged is the fact that the Sinhalese has systematically destroyed tamil ancient documents, Burning of Jaffna library twice, one of the best in South East Asia but the GoSL had to burn it to support the Mahavamsa. also to note that it considers Buddhists as the only humans on the planet thus killing non buddists is allowed and not sinful.

Cosmopolitan wrote:

"Tamils are living under fear in Colombo and in other areas.
Hundreds of Tamils are routinely rounded up in security sweeps and many are afraid they are being unfairly punished in response to the violence in the north.
Scared
"If the rebels carry out an operation in the south it will be used to justify repression in the name of security."
Even Tamil politicians are scared of staying in Colombo.
Tamil lawmaker from the main opposition, T Maheswaran, was gunned down in a Hindu temple in broad daylight in front of many civilians.
Another Tamil lawmaker, Mano Ganesan, a human rights campaigner, has left the country for safety reasons.
All in all, the prospects for peace in Sri Lanka are looking bleaker than ever.
BBC 8th January 2008"
Mrs C

Dear Mrs C

Most of the suicide attacks in Colombo and other areas are carried out by Tamil Tigers.
Even yesterday at FOrt with scores of people killed and injured.
This is deliberately done by LTTE to divide our Communities, their actions are divisive and destructive.
So with this actions obviously people become suspicious and hateful.
What is ur honest opinion?

pretheepan wrote:

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Historical to the extent that it was written in order to justify the Sinhalese existence on the island. It was written by the Sinhalese therefore completely biased, as any intelligent person knows.
Just like the ancient Egyptians didn't mention any military defeats in battle. Why would the Sinhalese monks say ' We happened to come to the island because vijay's dad banished him and made a civilisation' When the aim of the text is to justify ruling over the other races. It was for self glorification, therefore cannot be trusted.
The reason why it cannot be challeged is the fact that the Sinhalese has systematically destroyed tamil ancient documents, Burning of Jaffna library twice, one of the best in South East Asia but the GoSL had to burn it to support the Mahavamsa. also to note that it considers Buddhists as the only humans on the planet thus killing non buddists is allowed and not sinful.

education is something that is prized by most people
learning and understanding history is something that improves the outlook of people
instead of trying t make up stories learn about the history of sri lanka and this will open your eyes and drive the hatred out of your heart
the mahawamsa is the history of sri lanka
this is an indisputable fact
accept it , learn to live with your fellow beings and this will eliminate hatred from your soul
you will not suffer
the tamil people of sri lanka ,especially the children will stop suffering once the hatred of the diaspora tamils, who sponsor terror , is extinguished

asif wrote:

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Dear Mrs C
Most of the suicide attacks in Colombo and other areas are carried out by Tamil Tigers.
Even yesterday at FOrt with scores of people killed and injured.
This is deliberately done by LTTE to divide our Communities, their actions are divisive and destructive.
So with this actions obviously people become suspicious and hateful.
What is ur honest opinion?

In the UK we had the IRA terrorism for over 30 years, so I know all about the fear and hatred that springs up on both sides in such situations. The only way IRA terrorism was ended was by a political settlement fair to both sides of the conflict. Now the former terror leaders and their most virulent opponents sit together in an Ulster Parliment. So it can be done. It needs compromise, no one becomes a winner and no one becomes a looser, it needs ouside help from independent mediators, it takes time with many dead ends and many ups and many downs. It needs commitment by all the parties to compromise and it needs massive amounts of goodwill.

Mrs C

Cosmopolitan wrote:

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In the UK we had the IRA terrorism for over 30 years, so I know all about the fear and hatred that springs up on both sides in such situations. The only way IRA terrorism was ended was by a political settlement fair to both sides of the conflict. Now the former terror leaders and their most virulent opponents sit together in an Ulster Parliment. So it can be done. It needs compromise, no one becomes a winner and no one becomes a looser, it needs ouside help from independent mediators, it takes time with many dead ends and many ups and many downs. It needs commitment by all the parties to compromise and it needs massive amounts of goodwill.
Mrs C

Dear Mrs C

What's ur opnion on the recent concluded Election in East where the former terror leader is a Chief Minister today.
Also in North, apart from LTTE all other splinter groups such as TELO, EPDP, EROS, PLOTE etc, have joined the political Stream.
Whilst the Terror masters cling on to EAALAM,
Whats ur honest opinion?