Fear of a Chinese Planet?

MajorMalfunction wrote:

fred said
"wow ur ignorant. I don't want to link u to anything, u might be arrested. but china only became prosperous after it started copying america(capitalism).
if u compare the sphere of influence of russia w/ that of america, the american side has MASSIVELY more wealth and prosperity. its not even remotely close."
dont be so stupid fred, The chinese copied capitalism from the americans? The chinese where merchants and traders before the US was even a country, during the 16th century during the Ming dynasty China accounted for a quarter of the worlds trade. They where the superpower of that time. China overall has been a capitalist country a lot longer than a communist one.
I think it is you that is ignorant.

butterfly wrote:

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Right.Americans are the most ignorant nation in this world,which is very obvious.Sometimes I ever doubt whether American high-schools have history subjects of world history because I rarely found an American guy could tell me something about ancient Europe or ancient Asia.

Jack wrote:

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Not quite correct. China's economy actually accounted for a quarter of the worlds trade for the last 2000 years! Only for the last 200 years, China lost that status due to complecency and self imposed isolation. However, China is now making a come back in a bigger scale. Her economy will in times be twice that of the US.

Evenson wrote:

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The United States, if it had to, could be quite self reliant, for example.

butterfly wrote:

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Thank you too.You are so kind.
I don't think it is my pleasure to speak like an American...that is horrible!!!...But ,since I have to speak English here so that I have to comply to the logic of English world people .You know,language is to some degree a method of thinking.When I speak Chinese in daily life,I am surely a typical Chinese ,anyway.^_^

Evenson wrote:

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Lets see:
1)The CCP supports the DPRK.
Yes China does support North Korea. Recognizing North Korea give them more influence over Korea that the USA has over Cuba.
2)The CCP does not mind kicking people out of their homes and stealing their lands.
OK. I there is a country that does not kick people out of their homes please tell me which contry that is. Israel kick the Palestinians out of their home but lets not talk about that.
3) The CCP likes to have border disputes with its neighbors, and invade them too.
The Chinese found out that does not work and have cut back on that since the Nixon Visit. Lets work togther and get the USA to cut back on their invasions.
4)The CCP is deliberatly trying to keep the yuan low so it can flood the commercial market with cheap products.
I am sure they have done this. It also works to their advantage. China still has a very large populaton engaged in low productive agricultreal prodction. Raising the value of their currency would create a very large income gap. This spell instability to me.
5)The CCP likws to make certain people 'disappear'(remember that AIDS campaigner?)
The Americans have tried to make Ben Ladin dissapear, and do you remember Cha Gaveria. Is thee a country on the planet has has not tried to make detractors dissapear?
6) What did the Communists do to a lot of artefacts and such when they came to power in China? They destroyed a lot of the known history.
The loss of Iragi artifacts upsets me. And yes those artifacts (Chinese and Irage) belong to the entire world.
7)You say you can rarely find an American who knows anything about ancient European or Asian history. Well if were going to the ignorance argument, then I can point out the Chinese Peoples Daily hardly shows anything factual at all, unless it is something positive about China.
What is butterfly doing on this website? From what I have heard he is cencors. He must be putting himself at great risk to even read what is printed on this site. Or maybe he is not at risk and everything that we hear about China is propaganda and it is us who are censored.

George Jansen wrote:

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butterfly. I speak another European langage. When I speak in that language I tend to form my thoughts in English than translate it in my head. When I get a reply I also translate it back into English. I love your posts, and this site needs your posts. I have trouble with english as well. Please coment on my preception of China that I have posted.
I do not know why this thread eats posts.

fin wrote:

"The United States, if it had to, could be quite self reliant, for example"
We would start out by having no clothing or electronics. We would need to make do with one quarter of our current gas and oil. I guess most of that would need to go to the farmers ... those that have not been replaced by strip malls.
Not saying we couldn't do it, but it would not be pretty.

George Jansen wrote:

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Evenson. Yes the USA is probably most able to achieve self sufficiency, of any country on the planet. But why would you want to do that? Your standard of living would take a big hit.

fin wrote:

"The United States, if it had to, could be quite self reliant, for example"
We would start out by having no clothing or electronics. We would need to make do with one quarter of our current gas and oil. I guess most of that would need to go to the farmers ... those that have not been replaced by strip malls.
Not saying we couldn't do it, but it would not be pretty.

siloviki wrote:

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You would have to become the "classless society"

Vercingetorix wrote:

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I think it'll be a while before China will overtake the US. The economy and political system are still underdeveloped. In order to have an advanced economy, a country needs innovation, creativity, and stability. They are one of the biggest copy rights pirate in the world. If they want to develop, value added economy they will become a law based society.

Evenson wrote:

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If the US decided to bring in an isolationist policy, then the entire world would suffer to one extent or another.

siloviki wrote:

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That's correct.
And you could kiss Canadian oil, natural gas, softwood lumber, water etc goodbye.
You would grind to a halt in a year.

siloviki wrote:

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That's correct.
And you could kiss Canadian oil, natural gas, softwood lumber, water etc goodbye.
You would grind to a halt in a year.

Vercingetorix wrote:

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I think it'll be a while before China will overtake the US. The economy and political system are still underdeveloped. In order to have an advanced economy, a country needs innovation, creativity, and stability. They are one of the biggest copy rights pirate in the world. If they want to develop, value added economy they will become a law based society.

Marco wrote:

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But so would the Canadian economy, which needs to sell its oil, gas, and lumber.

butterfly wrote:

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Everyone copied others advanced.But the advanced guys won't keep advanced always.You America was not born in air.You copied Europe when it was superior to you.Now we are doing what you have done ever.And,China has ever been properous when there wasn't an America.We didn't copy anyone at that time.We were creative;and we can be creative again.We had been glorious ever;and we will be too.Your sole power times will collapse one day.Not far.
And I dont know you have any reason to say a Chinese or an European can be more ignorant to you.At least,I now have acquire three languages( which is the same as lots of Europeans),however,as I know,most of Americans are ignorant of any other languages.May be it can account for why you are ignorant of others.
"Every king got his throne for some years.Every king lost it from then on." It is what told by human's history.In human's long history ,Chind had ever been the First.Holand had ever been the First.Spain had ever been the First.U.K had ever been the First.Now it is U.S.But there will be another guy who gets your throne -and the day won't be far.
How many years did you keep the throne?Not more than a century.But how many years of China,U.K,Spain,France,etc ever kept?Do you know it?
You will be accustomed to it.
PS: Your American-style economy is not merely a copy of yours ,acctually.Because none of our economists want to experience a 1930s depression or a 1970s dollar-system collapse.And,it is clear for the economists worldwide that it is just a problem of time to see the collapse of dollars.That is why the other economies are speeding up the reserve of Eurocurrency.

MajorMalfunction wrote:

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Yes I totally agree with you here, and there is no point in americans and other "old world" capitalists bemoaning the fact that the so called communist countries can do capitalism better than they can. Its rather like british sport in fact, we teach the world to play soccer and now everybody beats us at it. The americans have better get used to that fact that they may end up being the second biggest economy in the future.