It's the Guns, Stupid

Apr 20, 2007 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Truthdig

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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<quoted text>Heck, you can kill someone with a sock...so?
YES, it would be less effective than a gun!
How does that differ from anything I've said?
I would recommend the sock.

No ballistic finger print.

I will be right back I need to lock up my socks.

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I think I get it now.
You're just an argumentative ditzy pissed off blonde.
You hold no valid point or position but only possess a need to be a registered troll.
Bingo !

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Pam Jordan wrote:
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Because your spittle splattered posts don't get to the point for one added to the fact you seem intent on attacking those whom are for gun ownership in America.
I find it suspicious your only concern is for convicts not to have guns while other posters in here whom are for gun rights hold you with disdain.
Spittle spattered posts?
lol

Can you point me to where I "attacked" anyone that is for gun ownership?
Can you be specific?
No?
LOL
Didn't think so:)

How would you know the other posters for guns on this thread hold me with "disdain"?

MOST are against gun control for criminals and insane (that's why they disagree with me).....YET, you just said you AGREED with that!

So, they would hold disdain for you too!

JUST ASK THEM!
lol

...and this is how I feel about YOUR and THEIR disdain:
http://favim.com/orig/201105/04/Favim.com-336...
HA!

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You're the one pointing at options in regards to self defense outside the use of firearms.
Not me.
EXACTLY!

Now do you get it?
You do not lose your right to defend yourself if you don't have a gun.

You can still defend yourself without a gun!

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Pam Jordan wrote:
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I think I get it now.
You're just an argumentative ditzy pissed off blonde.
You hold no valid point or position but only possess a need to be a registered troll.
SO...you dodge all questions?
Why run from the questions?

...and why did you move the goal posts from HUMAN RIGHTS, to American rights?

run run run
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Liar?
How am I a liar? Can you be specific?
Really...grow up!
You said that elected officials shouldn't be able to make those decisions for us! Did you not?
That would be a REPUBLIC!
I was merely explaining the difference (democracy/republic) to you...why does that make you angry?
<quoted text>CORRECT!
That was my point!
Didn't you just say you were AGAINST elected officials making those decisions for us?
You're changing your stance here or what?
<quoted text>For the FOURTH TIME...I agree we do not need MORE gun regulations. We need to enforce the ones we already have in place, and repeal MOST of the 20,000 laws!
<quoted text>How so?
Can you be specific?
...how does it go beyond that?
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Then you don't respect yourself?
YIKES!
That's a shame:(
<quoted text>LOL< if you say so:)
You stated your only concern was that convicted felons not be able to own guns.

Apparently it's more than that so yeah girl....you're a liar.

And your efforts in here are no greater than other trolls whose only wish is to disrupt threads with smartass quips who in turn hold no real position on the subject matter the thread is based on.

You're just a troll. Either because you're more insecure than a 2 week old kitten in the dog pound or you need to mis=x it up as a social life but you're a troll.

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<quoted text>EXACTLY!
Now do you get it?
You do not lose your right to defend yourself if you don't have a gun.
You can still defend yourself without a gun!
And how well can you defend yourself against an armed intruder when you only have a little league bat?

It's called effectiveness game player and I want my odds of survival to be the highest possible.

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Please tell us how your hubby's gun is stored to prevent it from being stolen, yet still accessible for your use in self defense........
We have stored his guns in a "safe" and also have a gun lock on the actual gun.

WE did this not so much because of LAW, but to keep our four kids from accessing and playing with them....like many kids do :(

I would use them for self defense if I could get to them in time...but in REALITY...I would not get there in time:)

I have a better chance sicking my Great Dane/St Bernard mix on them!
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<quoted text>Bingo !
Why?
...because we disagree on a few things?

Can you be SPECIFIC as to WHY you have so much disdain for me other than we BOTH have a right to our beliefs?

Is that really a valid reason?

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<quoted text>I would recommend the sock.
No ballistic finger print.
I will be right back I need to lock up my socks.
LOL...you see...now that made me laugh!
Seriously, you put a smile on my face:)

Why can't you get along with me, and allow me to exercise my right to my opinion just like you, without insulting me?

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SO...you dodge all questions?
Why run from the questions?
...and why did you move the goal posts from HUMAN RIGHTS, to American rights?
run run run
lol
You're so gone I bet you could walk into a shopping mall the day after Thanksgiving and think they were all there for you.

LOL!!!!

Human rights are embedded in American rights dolt.

Something makes me think you argue with everyone from the neighbor next door about how flowers are nothing more than stunted colored ivy to a kid selling lemonade advising the poor victim lemons come from trees as if he didn't know.

I'm done with you and have no doubt your immediate neighbors were done with you some four and a half years ago explaining your need to get some weird sort of social connection in here.

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<quoted text>LOL...you see...now that made me laugh!
Seriously, you put a smile on my face:)
Why can't you get along with me, and allow me to exercise my right to my opinion just like you, without insulting me?
Easy.

Because your only interest in here is to provide yourself as the resident troll.
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We have stored his guns in a "safe" and also have a gun lock on the actual gun.
WE did this not so much because of LAW, but to keep our four kids from accessing and playing with them....like many kids do :(
I would use them for self defense if I could get to them in time...but in REALITY...I would not get there in time:)
I have a better chance sicking my Great Dane/St Bernard mix on them!
lol
Isn't that the problem, a safely stored gun is generally useless when needed for self defense.........

Criminals are generally more afraid of dogs than homeowners with guns.

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You stated your only concern was that convicted felons not be able to own guns.
I said the only "gun laws" I agree with are those regulating and preventing violent felons or criminally insane from getting guns legally!
I have "concerns" about a lot of things...that is a BIG difference from LAWS!
Get it?
Laws?
Concerns?
There is a difference!
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Apparently it's more than that so yeah girl....you're a liar.
How is it more than that?
What other "laws" regulating guns have I agreed with?
can you be specific?
Sorry "apparently there's more" just don't cut it!
BE SPECIFIC...or you'll end up looking like the liar.
Guilty conscious?
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And your efforts in here are no greater than other trolls whose only wish is to disrupt threads with smartass quips who in turn hold no real position on the subject matter the thread is based on..
LOL!!!
Do you know what a TROLL is?
someone who posts OFF topic, to cause maximum disruption!
Sorry, but you not liking me, or my stance on guns does not make one a troll!
But if you're desperate.....
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You're just a troll.
Does dodging ALL questions pertaining to guns, calling names, insulting, and crying make you a troll?
Quit projecting your own insecurities onto others...eh?
Pam Jordan wrote:
<quoted text> because you're more insecure than a 2 week old kitten in the dog pound or you need to mis=x it up as a social life but you're a troll.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight lol

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Gun..........studpid is the oldest thread and it gives a platform to buy guns and make use of it..
This is my observation not born out of my ignorance
Sorry, but this is not the oldest thread on this site.

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And how well can you defend yourself against an armed intruder when you only have a little league bat?
It's called effectiveness game player and I want my odds of survival to be the highest possible.
If the intruder is UNARMED, then you'd have a GREAT CHANCE with a bat slugger!

BUT...that wasn't the point!
The point was:
You do not lose your right to defend yourself if you don't have a gun.
You can still defend yourself without a gun!

So to say gun control takes away the right to defend yourself is WRONG!

...that doesn't mean I will use a bat instead of a gun. It doesn't mean I will curl in a ball and die, it doesn't mean I will eat an Italian dinner on Friday...IT MEANS THAT YOU STILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEFEND YOURSELF!

Still confused?

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guns should be allowed in australia because aussies cant fight
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Isn't that the problem, a safely stored gun is generally useless when needed for self defense.........
Criminals are generally more afraid of dogs than homeowners with guns.
Yes, I agree criminals will back away from a home, if they see a large dog!

ALSO, I agree the gun is USELESS for self defense, if you can't get to it in time!

BUT, when children are 14 times more likely to accidentally shoot themselves, than it being used against an "intruder"...I have to put my kids safety FIRST!

...and guess what?
They're still alive, and I've NEVER had to use my gun against a "bad guy"!

P.S. There is a NEW gun safe I saw recently!
It was AWESOME!...but VERY EXPENSIVE!
It is a box you can keep bedside!
It has a sensor where it scans >your< hand, and will ONLY open (immediately) for YOU with nothing more than putting your hand on the TOP of the case!
I'd love to have that!

Safe from kids. Safe from the bad guy getting access to it!
...and at you bedside means an even FASTER response by the homeowner!
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Would that be the case if no one had guns or just one side?
If no one had guns, then we'd be right back to where we were before guns: Might makes right. Are you sure you want that kind of world? Where the strongest and most agile get to dictate life to you either at the point of a knife or a powerful set of fists and feet.

At least with guns, there is equalization of force where the bad actors a made to reconsider what they have in mind, for they are made to realize that the consequences of their acts will be immediate and likely permanent.

Apparently you would have a world where the victim count would be absolutely horrendous. Psychologically speaking, that mindset bespeaks the masochistic.

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Ahomana wrote:
All those selling arms should have their bussinesses shut down...every country should be banned from selling weapons to anyone... All countries should start phasing out the selling of all arms to countries at war, they should also stop selling guns to the general population except those who work in areas like farming and culling where it is necessary but single shootes only...The rest of the public should realise that "GUNS DO KILL PEOPLE" else all those people killed by guns would still be alive, would they not?...The stupidity of this argument is that it has gone on way to long the right to bear arm policy should be abolished...The law is outmoded and archaic and needs to be changed along with the idiotic mentality of all those who still believe it.
No one in the history of the universe was ever killed by a gun. Guns are inanimate objects - tools and nothing more. Tools are incapable of self action.
It is hateful people who kill other people, and their choice of tools to do it varies down throughout human history.

As they say at the race track, "it is impossible to uninvent speed.". It is slo impossible to uninvent the gun. Guns are and will continue to be manufactured by someone somewhere even if it is in their own garage or basement. Your goal is impossible to obtain. Your form of Utopia simply does not exist, and only fools pursue the impossible.
Go buy a clue somewhere.

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