It's the Guns, Stupid

Apr 20, 2007 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Truthdig

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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[QUOTE who="Snow Bunny<quoted text>Well, at least you're asking for help!
BUT, you might miss it through all your insults.
Calling names is up there with a 5th grader...and you lost all credibility, and watered down any substance you might have had.
<quoted text>Which ones...can you be specific, and explain exactly HOW it has kept you from protecting yourself?
<quoted text>How does that keep you from protecting yourself?
Unless you are planing a mass attack?
MOSTLY....the second amendment says ARMS..but says NOTHING about ammunition!
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I could be all of 6 and a half years old and best your goofed up self.

And your claim the fact we're allowed arms does not include ammunition???

ROFL!!!

That's about as bright as claiming we're allowed guns but since triggers were not specified they're not included in those protections.

Pretty stupid even for a blonde.

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<<quoted text>How does that keep you from protecting yourself?
Unless you are planing a mass attack?
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Just how many violent scenarios are possible do you think?

Three? Six?- Try an unnumeral amount. If the Columbine shooters swtart blazing the place up chances are they're carrying a few more rounds than 10. I'd like to at least be able to answer.

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<<quoted text>GREAT! I AGREE! Then you are for DEMOCRACY and not a REPUBLIC!
The difference between a democracy and a republic is in a democracy the PEOPLE make those decisions, and hash it out in town hall meetings...etc...
A REPUBLIC is when we elect OFFICIALS to make those decisions for us!
Unfortunately...we are a REPUBLIC!
OUCH!
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We ABSOLUTELY do NOT need any more ADDED regulations.
I have ALWAYS said that for YEARS now...on this very thread!
IN FACT, we could repeal MOST of the 20,000 gun regulations as it is!
Why is that bad when I say it, but when YOU say it it's fine?
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It's possible, I agree!
That's why aI am against increasing MORE regulations.
<quoted text>If they are put in PRISON, then we CAN control them getting guns! If they get CAUGHT with guns...they'll be put in PRISON, Hence: they will not have access to guns or the public.
Can we control them ALL?
Of course not.
BUT, a study has shown that MOST criminals get their guns by STEALING them from legal gun owners!
<quoted text>YET...it is possible!
Never mentioned anything about democracies of republics liar.

As it is our nation is based on the Republic principle so shaddup.

And we not only do not need any more regulations but there is a strong contention we need to put a halt to many current ones.

So you're a liar. You stated your only concern was for convicted criminals not to possess guns but apparently it goes beyong even that.

I'm sorry...I hold no respect for liars.

As far as where criminals get their guns? They buy them legitamately, steal them and in some cases make them. With the number of guns in our country and outside you're not going to stop guns from falling into criminal hands by halting the sales ofr guns to law abiding citizens.

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Line your rooms with 15# bowling balls.
Should a burglar come knocking you just start rolling those his way and hope for a strike.
Me? I'll use a can opener to open a can of beans, a fire extinguisher to put out an electrical fire and a car to get to work. You can go right ahead and work on the myriad of less effective options which willo produce less than stellar results to those tasks if you want.
A gun is a proper tool to defend one's self against impending danger such as a robber, rapist or killer.
Number three; I already answered your question hippy chick. If a bad man has a gun to my head when I wake up I'll ask if he wants sugar and cream in his coffee sister but he's got to get there first and my pistola is a little insrance that that won't happen.
Number 4; WTF are you talking about. You claim I'm a sock puppet? Well then...prove it.
Number 5; I didn't cry to anyone....I merely stated fact in that someone actually thought I was you under another moniker in the Zimmerman thread. Idiot.
Number 6; Yes...having clothes constitutes a basic right along with the fact the law isn't too keen about streakers moron. And no....we're not the bone through the nose tribe in the middle of the humid Amazon forest...we're Americans.
Just what is wrong with you?
Why would I line my home with bowling balls?
My hubby has a GUN!
Can you read?

I would hope you would use your gun and not a can opener...BUT, I think my point again went over your head!
You said gun control takes away your right to defend yourself!
I shown there are OTHER ways to defend yourself without a gun!
...and gun control does NOT take away that right from you!

YES, a gun is a proper tool to defend oneself....BUT my point was that it is not the ONLY means of defending oneself...get it yet?

3. If you wake up with a gun to your head, do you think the bad guy will wait for you to retrieve your gun?

4. I think you are just another regular poster here..posting under a fake "female" profile you created:) I can see right through you:)

5. YEP, you cried HERE...on topix! We can all see it!

6. Now are you changing the goal post to "basic right" from "basic HUMAN rights"?
You seem to confuse an AMERICAN RIGHT, with a human right!
Streakers? So are you saying TRIBES in the rain forrest (whom are HUMANS) are streakers? Really?
Or are you switching the goal posts to AMERICA?

7. Are you now saying HUMAN rights only pertain to AMERICANS?
WOW!

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[QUOTE who="Snow Bunny<quoted text>YET...it is possible![/QUOTE]

But less likely had I been armed.

I like odds. I like odds to be in my favor. If I want a promotion I keep well dressed and stay professional at work. If I want the best chance to stay safe in my home from say a rapist I like having a pistol availible to keep his odds down in succeeding.

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<quoted text>Your endless rants filled with bitter condescending name calling!
Are you saying this is you in a good mood?
WOW!
YIKES!
<quoted text>NOPE, your endless rants filled with bitter condescending name calling says it all!
<quoted text>HA!
Thanks for proving my point!
It must REALLY hurt to be outsmarted by a "blonde"!
That's why instead of refuting or disputing my posts and the topic, you resort to name calling, and hope for the best!
LOL
<quoted text>That makes absolutely no sense.
I actually feel embarrassed FOR you!
<quoted text>AGAIN, you make NO sense.
Are you ok?
Are you drunk?
A little early to be tipping the bottle...eh?
Wow.

LOL!!!!

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Just how many violent scenarios are possible do you think?
Three? Six?- Try an unnumeral amount. If the Columbine shooters swtart blazing the place up chances are they're carrying a few more rounds than 10. I'd like to at least be able to answer.
SO...then it would take TWO bullets to kill them...eh?

If not, there would be a lOT of MISSED shots, cross fire, and thus putting the kids MORE in harms way!

Do you want to be able to get as much ammo as you want so that they can carry out mass shootings, or what?

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<quoted text>Heck, you can kill someone with a sock...so?
YES, it would be less effective than a gun!
How does that differ from anything I've said?
You're the one pointing at options in regards to self defense outside the use of firearms.

Not me.

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SO...then it would take TWO bullets to kill them...eh?
If not, there would be a lOT of MISSED shots, cross fire, and thus putting the kids MORE in harms way!
Do you want to be able to get as much ammo as you want so that they can carry out mass shootings, or what?
Who's to know?

And having more food in your cupboard won't mean you'll weigh 105# more by December, having more money in the bank won't mean you'll buy a 2 million dollar yacht and by having more ammunition will not mean you'll be involved in "mass shootings".

You're not too bright sister.

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Never mentioned anything about democracies of republics liar.
Liar?
How am I a liar? Can you be specific?
Really...grow up!
You said that elected officials shouldn't be able to make those decisions for us! Did you not?
That would be a REPUBLIC!
I was merely explaining the difference (democracy/republic) to you...why does that make you angry?
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As it is our nation is based on the Republic principle so shaddup.
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CORRECT!
That was my point!
Didn't you just say you were AGAINST elected officials making those decisions for us?
You're changing your stance here or what?
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And we not only do not need any more regulations but there is a strong contention we need to put a halt to many current ones.
For the FOURTH TIME...I agree we do not need MORE gun regulations. We need to enforce the ones we already have in place, and repeal MOST of the 20,000 laws!
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So you're a liar. You stated your only concern was for convicted criminals not to possess guns but apparently it goes beyong even that.
How so?
Can you be specific?
...how does it go beyond that?
Pam Jordan wrote:
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I'm sorry...I hold no respect for liars.
Then you don't respect yourself?
YIKES!
That's a shame:(
Pam Jordan wrote:
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As far as where criminals get their guns? They buy them legitamately, steal them and in some cases make them. With the number of guns in our country and outside you're not going to stop guns from falling into criminal hands by halting the sales ofr guns to law abiding citizens.
LOL< if you say so:)

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<quoted text>Why would I line my home with bowling balls?
My hubby has a GUN!
Can you read?
I would hope you would use your gun and not a can opener...BUT, I think my point again went over your head!
You said gun control takes away your right to defend yourself!
I shown there are OTHER ways to defend yourself without a gun!
...and gun control does NOT take away that right from you!
YES, a gun is a proper tool to defend oneself....BUT my point was that it is not the ONLY means of defending oneself...get it yet?
3. If you wake up with a gun to your head, do you think the bad guy will wait for you to retrieve your gun?
4. I think you are just another regular poster here..posting under a fake "female" profile you created:) I can see right through you:)
5. YEP, you cried HERE...on topix! We can all see it!
6. Now are you changing the goal post to "basic right" from "basic HUMAN rights"?
You seem to confuse an AMERICAN RIGHT, with a human right!
Streakers? So are you saying TRIBES in the rain forrest (whom are HUMANS) are streakers? Really?
Or are you switching the goal posts to AMERICA?
7. Are you now saying HUMAN rights only pertain to AMERICANS?
WOW!
I think I get it now.

You're just an argumentative ditzy pissed off blonde.

You hold no valid point or position but only possess a need to be a registered troll.
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<quoted text>If you outlaw guns, very few criminals will have guns. In America guns start out legal. Then they enter the black market after being STOLEN from ignorant gun owners.
Please tell us how your hubby's gun is stored to prevent it from being stolen, yet still accessible for your use in self defense........

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<quoted text>Heck, you can kill someone with a sock...so?
YES, it would be less effective than a gun!
How does that differ from anything I've said?
I would recommend the sock.

No ballistic finger print.

I will be right back I need to lock up my socks.

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I think I get it now.
You're just an argumentative ditzy pissed off blonde.
You hold no valid point or position but only possess a need to be a registered troll.
Bingo !

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Pam Jordan wrote:
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Because your spittle splattered posts don't get to the point for one added to the fact you seem intent on attacking those whom are for gun ownership in America.
I find it suspicious your only concern is for convicts not to have guns while other posters in here whom are for gun rights hold you with disdain.
Spittle spattered posts?
lol

Can you point me to where I "attacked" anyone that is for gun ownership?
Can you be specific?
No?
LOL
Didn't think so:)

How would you know the other posters for guns on this thread hold me with "disdain"?

MOST are against gun control for criminals and insane (that's why they disagree with me).....YET, you just said you AGREED with that!

So, they would hold disdain for you too!

JUST ASK THEM!
lol

...and this is how I feel about YOUR and THEIR disdain:
http://favim.com/orig/201105/04/Favim.com-336...
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You're the one pointing at options in regards to self defense outside the use of firearms.
Not me.
EXACTLY!

Now do you get it?
You do not lose your right to defend yourself if you don't have a gun.

You can still defend yourself without a gun!

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I think I get it now.
You're just an argumentative ditzy pissed off blonde.
You hold no valid point or position but only possess a need to be a registered troll.
SO...you dodge all questions?
Why run from the questions?

...and why did you move the goal posts from HUMAN RIGHTS, to American rights?

run run run
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Liar?
How am I a liar? Can you be specific?
Really...grow up!
You said that elected officials shouldn't be able to make those decisions for us! Did you not?
That would be a REPUBLIC!
I was merely explaining the difference (democracy/republic) to you...why does that make you angry?
<quoted text>CORRECT!
That was my point!
Didn't you just say you were AGAINST elected officials making those decisions for us?
You're changing your stance here or what?
<quoted text>For the FOURTH TIME...I agree we do not need MORE gun regulations. We need to enforce the ones we already have in place, and repeal MOST of the 20,000 laws!
<quoted text>How so?
Can you be specific?
...how does it go beyond that?
<quoted text>
Then you don't respect yourself?
YIKES!
That's a shame:(
<quoted text>LOL< if you say so:)
You stated your only concern was that convicted felons not be able to own guns.

Apparently it's more than that so yeah girl....you're a liar.

And your efforts in here are no greater than other trolls whose only wish is to disrupt threads with smartass quips who in turn hold no real position on the subject matter the thread is based on.

You're just a troll. Either because you're more insecure than a 2 week old kitten in the dog pound or you need to mis=x it up as a social life but you're a troll.

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<quoted text>EXACTLY!
Now do you get it?
You do not lose your right to defend yourself if you don't have a gun.
You can still defend yourself without a gun!
And how well can you defend yourself against an armed intruder when you only have a little league bat?

It's called effectiveness game player and I want my odds of survival to be the highest possible.

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Please tell us how your hubby's gun is stored to prevent it from being stolen, yet still accessible for your use in self defense........
We have stored his guns in a "safe" and also have a gun lock on the actual gun.

WE did this not so much because of LAW, but to keep our four kids from accessing and playing with them....like many kids do :(

I would use them for self defense if I could get to them in time...but in REALITY...I would not get there in time:)

I have a better chance sicking my Great Dane/St Bernard mix on them!
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