It's the Guns, Stupid

Apr 20, 2007 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Truthdig

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>You have never addressed it in the proper context.
Again , you're wrong and you're always wrong.
I never addressed it in the proper context?
HUH?

Is that a back peddle or deflection from the fact that you kept saying I didn't address it, when we can ALL SEE I addressed it...multiple times?

Can you be specific?

Lets try again, and please explain how it is out of context:
Well Regulated refers to the PEOPLE and Militias...PROOF?...look at the 20,000 gun control laws on the books!

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Marauder wrote:
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I can read just fine...you however...still fail at comprehension.
So once again you can't handle the questions or issues and attack the poster...a failed argument.
If you admit you still fail at comprehension, then why do you blame me...and NOW try to deflect?

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<quoted text>"Other writing" are MOOT when it comes to the constitution!
I can also post writing where some of the founding fathers feel the opposite...so?
I can also post a quote where Jefferson says we should re-WRITE the constitution every 19 years!
He felt not to would keep future generations enslaved to past generations ideas!
MOSTLY, the founders could not have imagined the world we have today...with the POPULATION, weapons, nukes, bombs, assault weapons, etc....
<quoted text>Who?
Proof please?
With a link and reliable unbiased source.
<quoted text>....obviously not!
Just look at the 20,000 gun control laws on the books!
HA!
<quoted text>.....they didn't write it. They didn't explain it (hence the battle back and fourth with altering decisions for DECADES on the matter.
MOSTLY, it is not my opinion...did you miss the 20,000 gun control laws on the books?
Are they all my opinion?
NOPE!
Don't like it?
Take it up with your elected officials!
These other writings have been posted to you over and over again yet you still deny them. The Supreme Court IS overturning these illegalhttp://cap-n-ball.com/f athers.htm anti gun laws or have you missed it? The founding fathers saw advances in weapons and the military and were very aware times change but people do not. Greed and the power hungry exist today as they always have. The main killing weapon criminals used then was cutting weapons but none said "OH let's ban knives to stop crime". Their idea to stop crime was making a life of crime a life or death choice. A rope in a tree stopped more crime than any anti-weapon law ever could.
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"Our main agenda is to have all guns banned. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn't matter if you have to distort the facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed."
Sara Brady
Chairman, Handgun Control Inc, to Senator Howard Metzenbaum
The National Educator, January 1994, Page 3.
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Snow Bunny_ wrote:
<quoted text>"Other writing" are MOOT when it comes to the constitution!
I can also post writing where some of the founding fathers feel the opposite...so?
I can also post a quote where Jefferson says we should re-WRITE the constitution every 19 years!
He felt not to would keep future generations enslaved to past generations ideas!
MOSTLY, the founders could not have imagined the world we have today...with the POPULATION, weapons, nukes, bombs, assault weapons, etc....
<quoted text>Who?
Proof please?
With a link and reliable unbiased source.
<quoted text>....obviously not!
Just look at the 20,000 gun control laws on the books!
HA!
<quoted text>.....they didn't write it. They didn't explain it (hence the battle back and fourth with altering decisions for DECADES on the matter.
MOSTLY, it is not my opinion...did you miss the 20,000 gun control laws on the books?
Are they all my opinion?
NOPE!
Don't like it?
Take it up with your elected officials!
Everything you say is the absolute truth! I would never, ever lie about that!

Signed, Dirty Filthy Liar
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Snow Bunny_ wrote:
<quoted text>If you admit you still fail at comprehension, then why do you blame me...and NOW try to deflect?
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It's always all about you, isn't it? Self-centeredness keeps you from seeing the truth of matters.

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Snow Bunny_ wrote:
MYTH:"Guns don't kill, people kill people" is a good argument against gun control.
TRUTH: This pro-gun argument makes about as much sense as claiming that "glasses don't see, eyes see" is a good argument against wearing glasses. Glasses are a tool which help people to see just as guns are a tool that help people to kill and injure others.
But your TRUTH in this example reinforces what you call MYTH.

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<quoted text>...and don't forget, there are also no background checks through private sellers!
Also, studies have shown criminals get their guns MOSTLY through stealing them from LEGAL gun owners, whom don't know how (or refuse) to secure their guns properly!
yep... i just got edu-micated on that fact by another poster from AK.

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The problem with violence like this is that it strips people of their rights....exactly like the 'solutions' proposed by people like E. J. Dionne Jr

"OK, let’s be specific. What would the NRA’s objection be to a law requiring gun dealers to establish whether a potential buyer is a student and, if so, to inform (or even receive permission from) the student’s high school or college before any weapons could be sold? What about raising the age for purchasing a gun to 25 or 30? Why not renew the ban on the sale of assault weapons?"

Well, I don't know about the NRA, but I can point out the same obvious things that any other informed person could point out:
A) Requiring Americans to ask an unrelated institution for permission to exercise their Constitutional rights would be a violation of the Constitution.
B) Prohibiting younger adults from purchasing firearms is a direct violation of the Constitution.
C) The ban on 'assault weapons' was a Constitution-violating measure that served no purpose other than to try and limit how many 'scary' things that idiots felt they had to see.

If Dionne cannot see the problems with the proposals, it is only because they haven't bothered to read the Constitution.

“O'er the land of the free ? ”

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<quoted text>I never addressed it in the proper context?
HUH?
Is that a back peddle or deflection from the fact that you kept saying I didn't address it, when we can ALL SEE I addressed it...multiple times?
Can you be specific?
Lets try again, and please explain how it is out of context:
Well Regulated refers to the PEOPLE and Militias...PROOF?...look at the 20,000 gun control laws on the books!
Damn , your dense.

You do not know what "Well Regulated" means in the context of the US Constitution.

It is not the same meaning as your back alley posts use it.

In fact , one may argue you have never used it correctly at any time because even if you use the wording well regulated to mean 20,000 laws one may say a quantity of law does not make it well regulated but simply regulated.

Either way , you are wrong and you are always wrong.

I would call a human "snow bunny" if she had a large appetite for cocaine.

You may use "snow bunny to mean something different.

PLEASE NOTE : This post may be ignored due to fact and truthfulness at your desecration.

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Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>The problem is plain stupidity.
What is illegal cannot be controlled.
Mass production leads to control and taxation as well as freeing up billions of dollars spent tracking and enforcing something that won't go away no matter how many billions you throw at it.
Private cultivation for personal use and major manufacturing would also bring jobs .
At some point it is going to be legal or unmanageable in a budgetary sense.
True, you are stupid. You are also a filthy racist, a bigot and an anti-American nut case.

Libertarians (aka grumpy old losers)= Republiscum who want to smoke dope.

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"Shooter at Sikh temple left trail of hate

...In 2011, Page wrote an email — with a subject line reading,“No registering of long guns”— to the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives:

“Wake Up!!!! No more restrictions on law abiding gun owners! These restrictions do nothing about the criminals they are meant to affect. Why punish and render defenseless the very people that deserve to be protected while HELPING the offenders with such laws? The only other use for such laws is for government to gain control over the people. This is America, and I AM THE GOVERNMENT, not you! Remember who you work for, and your oath!”

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True, you are stupid. You are also a filthy racist, a bigot and an anti-American nut case.
Libertarians (aka grumpy old losers)= Republiscum who want to smoke dope.
Let me guess: You disagree with others should they happen to stand up for their rights and refuse to be oppressed, but otherwise are congratulatory when you happen to agree with another person, correct?

There's a phycological term which describes that affliction: Bipolar disorder.
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Why don't you join me and my fellow Democrats? We molest kids nightly and shoot niggers during the day!!
Sick, twisted perv!!!
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I wish I would have had a chance to kill some of them fuckng Sikh bastards!!!!!! I would have torured them first~!!!
Aren't you the compassionate one?
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OregonSUX wrote:
"Shooter at Sikh temple left trail of hate
...In 2011, Page wrote an email — with a subject line reading,“No registering of long guns”— to the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives:
“Wake Up!!!! No more restrictions on law abiding gun owners! These restrictions do nothing about the criminals they are meant to affect. Why punish and render defenseless the very people that deserve to be protected while HELPING the offenders with such laws? The only other use for such laws is for government to gain control over the people. This is America, and I AM THE GOVERNMENT, not you! Remember who you work for, and your oath!”
You exhibit an amazing degree of gullibility, because you appear to be repeating the uniformly propagated story as retold in the mainstream media.
If might interest you to know that there four individuals involved in that shooting you mention above, and witnesses discussed seeing all of the shooters lurking around the building days in advance as though they were assessing the premises.
Also, other witnesses also told both the police and the local news people that they witnessed three of the shooters drive away from the scene. They were all dressed in the very same way as the Aurora shooters: All dressed in black.
Note that I said 'shooters'(plural) in the Aurora shooting, but the police said there was only one shooter. Yet, there were two gas masks found outside the emergency door parking lot by the theater.
The police also fallaciously stated that the fire door had been kicked-in, but upon further inspection, that door exhibited no damage at all, as it is a steel-clad concrete door.
There are a few terms that you might want to familiarize yourself with:'False Flag operation,' and 'inside job,' because you're bound to see more of them in the days, weeks, and months ahead.
But you are totally free to believe whatever fantasy you desire, I guess as long as it fits your preconceived notions about matters.

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Dr Freud wrote:
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You exhibit an amazing degree of gullibility, because you appear to be repeating the uniformly propagated story as retold in the mainstream media.
If might interest you to know that there four individuals involved in that shooting you mention above, and witnesses discussed seeing all of the shooters lurking around the building days in advance as though they were assessing the premises.
Also, other witnesses also told both the police and the local news people that they witnessed three of the shooters drive away from the scene. They were all dressed in the very same way as the Aurora shooters: All dressed in black.
Note that I said 'shooters'(plural) in the Aurora shooting, but the police said there was only one shooter. Yet, there were two gas masks found outside the emergency door parking lot by the theater.
The police also fallaciously stated that the fire door had been kicked-in, but upon further inspection, that door exhibited no damage at all, as it is a steel-clad concrete door.
There are a few terms that you might want to familiarize yourself with:'False Flag operation,' and 'inside job,' because you're bound to see more of them in the days, weeks, and months ahead.
But you are totally free to believe whatever fantasy you desire, I guess as long as it fits your preconceived notions about matters.
So, you were there?

Do tell.

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"Watching White Supremacists React to the Sikh Temple Shooting

...It took nearly a half hour until someone finally asked, "So the shooter was 'one of us'?" PAT88, uploaded the unedited photos at 11:52am. "This is not looking good!... The media will have a field day with this."

Upon realizing that they can't write this off anymore, many were quick to condemn the shooting. "We as White Nationalists CONDEMN this outrageous mass murder!" assures Reichman. "There is no other word for it but murder!" Contrasting this Sikh temple shooting with the Aurora massacre, SussToTheJew begrudgingly admitted the obvious: this looks pretty bad for white supremacists. "I believe the 'Batman' shooter was just a friggin' nut," he wrote. "But if I was to play the game, I'd have to posit it this way: the Batman shooter was about guns—and here's the sticky bit—this nut is about Stormfront. It sounds like a case will be promoted here for 'closer scrutiny of hate sites'."

With a frowny emoticon, MattwhiteAmerica also acknowledged the undeniable, but included a plea that readers remember who the good guys are in this story:

This lone wolf stuff doesn't do anything besides play into reinforcing the brainwashing against us on whites we need on our side ... Anything Lone wolf is the jews wildest dream of showing the brainwashed that we're evil! We have to do everything in our power to paint a picture that we're the good guys that just care for preserving our people.

You read that right. Apparently, white supremacists are the good guys here. Even though the murder of six innocent people was probably racially motivated, carried out by a man who played in a White Power band and sported a tattoo of a symbol used in Stormfront's logo, clearly the people who regularly gather online to write things like this are the good guys" TAW
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Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>If the USA is looking for complete and utter failure in the greatest experiment in liberty and prosperity the world has known we need not do more then follow "Great Britain" down it's road to bankruptcy and domination of it's citizens.
No need to try and follow England; you are doing a good job of driving on your own road to

Bankruptcy. Elect the Republicans and you'll get there faster..

Your citizens are already dominated by crooked corporations and right-wing media.

Your greatest experiment never created the fabulous society you think it did.

You are slaves to the corporations and have been for decades. Their propaganda only made you think

you were free

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