It's the Guns, Stupid

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“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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Light Bearer

Perth, Australia

#72748 Aug 7, 2012
OregonSUX wrote:
<quoted text>
So, you were there?
Do tell.
He doesnt need to be there.
He is DR TROOFER. AKA Dr Fraud
Light Bearer

Perth, Australia

#72749 Aug 7, 2012
Light Bearer wrote:
As of May 29, 2012, according to the U.S. Department of Defense casualty website, there were 4,409 total deaths (including both killed in action and non-hostile) and 31,928 wounded in action (WIA) as a result of Operation Iraqi Freedom. War 2003-2012
In 2003 alone, 30,136 Americans died by gunfire: 16,907 in firearm suicides, 11,920 in firearm homicides, 730 in unintentional shootings, and 232 in firearm deaths of unknown intent, according to the National Center for Health Statistics. Nearly three times that number are treated in emergency rooms each year for nonfatal firearm injuries.
The second ammendment MILTIA managed to protect the US citizens by committing 240 Justifiable homicides.
Light Bearer

Perth, Australia

#72750 Aug 8, 2012
Whoa, thought it was a nightmare, low, it's all so true
They told me, don't go walkin' slow, the devil's on the loose
Better run through the Temple
Better run through the School
Better run through the Theatre, don't look back to see

Thought I heard a rumblin', callin' to my name
Two hundred million guns are loaded, SATAN cries, "Take aim"
Better run through the Factory
Better run through the Office
Better run through the Cinema, don't look back to see

In the Constitution, thunder magic spoke
"Let the people know my wisdom, fill the land with smoke"
Better run through the Suburb
Better run through the Mall
Better run through the Kindergarden, don't look back to see
Light Bearer

Perth, Australia

#72751 Aug 8, 2012
Git Sum Git Sum Git Sum
CCR

Perth, Australia

#72752 Aug 8, 2012
Hope you got your things together.
Hope you are quite prepared to die.
Looks like we're in for nasty weather.
One eye is taken for an eye.

Don't go around tonight,
Well, it's bound to take your life,
There's a bad moon on the rise

“Imaginez tous les gens”

Since: Sep 09

Sunbury, OH

#72753 Aug 8, 2012
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> These other writings have been posted to you over and over again yet you still deny them.
Can you read?
PAY ATTENTION!
I never denied them...I said I can post quotes and writings from the founding fathers that say the OPPOSITE!
So?
If it's not in the constitution, then it's moot...eh?
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> The Supreme Court IS overturning these illegalhttp://cap-n-ball.com/f athers.htm anti gun laws or have you missed it?
Which ones?
Your link does not show what you're referring to...it only gives random quotes.
What is this sup[posed to show me?
The founding fathers, were not at all opposed to gun control. They had all kinds of gun laws -- most notably laws barring black people from owning guns. They also required that all muskets be regularly inspected and registered.

....so?

In the 1960s, when the Black Panthers began carrying loaded guns on the streets (for self-defense against violent, racist cops) the California Legislature set out to limit the right to bear arms in public -- and Ronald Reagan, that staunch Second-Amendment guy who is worshiped by the NRA, fully supported the restrictions. In fact, he said in public that nobody should have the right to carry a loaded weapon on a public street!!!!
Reagan said that!
At least, not as long as black people were doing it.

.... And the folks who wrote the Second Amendment were all in favor of a "well-regulated militia" whose members -- at that time, the general (white) populace -- had to declare, register and present to government agents on a regular basis all of their firearms.
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> The founding fathers saw advances in weapons and the military and were very aware times change but people do not.
Proof please?
You keep making claims about the founding fathers thoughts as though you know what they intended personally.
Honey, no one knows!
MOSTLY, the founders were merely MEN. They were not GODS or disciples that were infallible or all knowing. Why do you act as though they are?
MOSTLY, even JEFFERSON said every constitution should be re-written every 19 years, as to not enslave future generations, to PAST ideas...get it yet?
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> Greed and the power hungry exist today as they always have..
You need to WAKE UP if you think it hasn't gotten worse.
Tray wrote:
<quoted text>The main killing weapon criminals used then was cutting weapons but none said "OH let's ban knives to stop crime".
....if you do not know the difference between a KNIFE and a GUN...then you need help!
Knives can not kill 80 people, in less than one minute!
A knife can not destroy the military.
lol
MOSTLY, if knives were as dangerous and deadly as guns, then you'd want to carry a KNIFE, and not a gun...eh?
Why not just carry a knife then?
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> Their idea to stop crime was making a life of crime a life or death choice. A rope in a tree stopped more crime than any anti-weapon law ever could.
...I thought you were for RIGHTS, not against them? YET, here^^^^ you are against their rights...I guess you pick and choose what "rights" we can exercise...eh?

“Imaginez tous les gens”

Since: Sep 09

Sunbury, OH

#72754 Aug 8, 2012
Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>
You do not know what "Well Regulated" means in the context of the US Constitution.
Your opinion is MOOT!
Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>
It is not the same meaning as your back alley posts use it.
My post "uses it"?
How does a post manage to "use" something?
Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>
In fact , one may argue you have never used it correctly at any time because even if you use the wording well regulated to mean 20,000 laws one may say a quantity of law does not make it well regulated but simply regulated.
AGAIN...your opinion and what you THINK is moot!
NO ONE CARES WHAT YOU THINK!
...most people base it on FACTS, not what some random nerd on topix "thinks".
lol
Also, well regulated, and REGULATED....BOTH are good enough for me:)
Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>
Either way , you are wrong and you are always wrong.
More boring OPINION!
Got any substance or facts?
Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>
I would call a human "snow bunny" if she had a large appetite for cocaine.
Wonderful...but who cares?
Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>
You may use "snow bunny to mean something different.
Why thank you master!
I love getting permission from a "nobody" that allows me to use my profile name in the context I want!
lol
Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>PLEASE NOTE : This post may be ignored due to fact and truthfulness at your desecration.
This is the truth:
http://favim.com/orig/201105/04/Favim.com-336...
Dr Freud

UK

#72755 Aug 8, 2012
Snow Bunny_ wrote:
<quoted text>Your opinion is MOOT!
<quoted text>My post "uses it"?
How does a post manage to "use" something?
<quoted text>AGAIN...your opinion and what you THINK is moot!
NO ONE CARES WHAT YOU THINK!
...most people base it on FACTS, not what some random nerd on topix "thinks".
lol
Also, well regulated, and REGULATED....BOTH are good enough for me:)
<quoted text>More boring OPINION!
Got any substance or facts?
<quoted text>Wonderful...but who cares?
<quoted text>
Why thank you master!
I love getting permission from a "nobody" that allows me to use my profile name in the context I want!
lol
<quoted text>
This is the truth:
http://favim.com/orig/201105/04/Favim.com-336...
It's always all about you, isn't it? Nobody but nobody else can ever be right because you're always right, even when you're dead wrong. I'll bet that you have sphincter muscle wrapped around your brain that absolutely shuts out all truth with a stranglehold second to none!

“Imaginez tous les gens”

Since: Sep 09

Sunbury, OH

#72756 Aug 8, 2012
Dr Freud wrote:
<quoted text>
It's always all about you, isn't it?
lol, if you say so:)
Dr Freud wrote:
<quoted text>
Nobody but nobody else can ever be right because you're always right, even when you're dead wrong.
Those are your words...not mine:)
Dr Freud wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll bet that you have sphincter muscle wrapped around your brain that absolutely shuts out all truth with a stranglehold second to none!
Riiiiiiiiight!

Is this really your rebuttal regarding my posts and Obama?

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#72757 Aug 8, 2012
Snow Bunny_ wrote:
<quoted text>lol, if you say so:)
<quoted text>Those are your words...not mine:)
<quoted text>Riiiiiiiiight!
Is this really your rebuttal regarding my posts and Obama?
Well now let's see here.
Your posts
Obama
Sphincter muscles

Sounds about right on all fronts there sweetie.

“Imaginez tous les gens”

Since: Sep 09

Sunbury, OH

#72758 Aug 8, 2012
Aquarius-WY wrote:
<quoted text>
Well now let's see here.
Your posts
Obama
Sphincter muscles
Sounds about right on all fronts there sweetie.
http://lolvirgin.com/wp-content/uploads/I-wil...
Dr Freud

UK

#72759 Aug 8, 2012
Aquarius-WY wrote:
<quoted text>
Well now let's see here.
Your posts
Obama
Sphincter muscles
Sounds about right on all fronts there sweetie.
Very humorous observation!

“O'er the land of the free ? ”

Since: Jan 09

Don't Tread On Me

#72760 Aug 8, 2012
t clms wrote:
<quoted text>
No need to try and follow England; you are doing a good job of driving on your own road to
Bankruptcy. Elect the Republicans and you'll get there faster..
Your citizens are already dominated by crooked corporations and right-wing media.
Your greatest experiment never created the fabulous society you think it did.
You are slaves to the corporations and have been for decades. Their propaganda only made you think
you were free
What country is the largest trading partner with Canada ?

“O'er the land of the free ? ”

Since: Jan 09

Don't Tread On Me

#72761 Aug 8, 2012
Snow Bunny_ wrote:
<quoted text>Your opinion is MOOT!
<quoted text>My post "uses it"?
How does a post manage to "use" something?
<quoted text>AGAIN...your opinion and what you THINK is moot!
NO ONE CARES WHAT YOU THINK!
...most people base it on FACTS, not what some random nerd on topix "thinks".
lol
Also, well regulated, and REGULATED....BOTH are good enough for me:)
<quoted text>More boring OPINION!
Got any substance or facts?
<quoted text>Wonderful...but who cares?
<quoted text>
Why thank you master!
I love getting permission from a "nobody" that allows me to use my profile name in the context I want!
lol
<quoted text>
This is the truth:
http://favim.com/orig/201105/04/Favim.com-336...
You spent all of this effort on a post you do not care about ?

That seems both contradictory and unstable.
Ramafuchs

Troisdorf, Germany

#72762 Aug 8, 2012
I have been an avid reader of all the views in TOPIX world FORUM.
I had tried my level best to vipe out my ignorance.
So far i had failed.
It is not the fault of the participants but i presume it is the fault of our civilizedSYSTEM
Dr Freud

UK

#72763 Aug 8, 2012
Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>You spent all of this effort on a post you do not care about ?
That seems both contradictory and unstable.
Self-centeredness comes with its own downfalls, a few of which you've aptly identified.
Ramafuchs

Troisdorf, Germany

#72764 Aug 8, 2012
Most of us wish to share our views and learn from others.
Topix World forum should be a congenial one to communicate and not be a political platform like ..........
Dr Freud

UK

#72765 Aug 8, 2012
Ramafuchs wrote:
I have been an avid reader of all the views in TOPIX world FORUM.
I had tried my level best to vipe out my ignorance.
So far i had failed.
It is not the fault of the participants but i presume it is the fault of our civilizedSYSTEM
Instead of attempting to change the world to fit your ideology, you might consider reevaluating your goals. No man should ever attempt to reach beyond his own grasp.
Ramafuchs

Troisdorf, Germany

#72766 Aug 8, 2012
Thank you Dr
But I had exposed my ignorance which still prevails in my brain.
This should not be the way

“O'er the land of the free ? ”

Since: Jan 09

Don't Tread On Me

#72767 Aug 8, 2012
Ramafuchs wrote:
Thank you Dr
But I had exposed my ignorance which still prevails in my brain.
This should not be the way
Ignorance turns in to informed when one keeps an open mind.

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