It's the Guns, Stupid

dont snow me wrote:

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GZ had no history of violence, that's a left wing lie. Prove it.

DUDE...it has been proven, and you DENY IT?

So, if it can be proven, then you'd ADMIT he has violent tendencies:)

HE PLED IN COURT!!!

he was arrested...his MUG shot and CHARGES are PUBLIC RECORD...see for yourself:)

If he was willing to SHOVE a police officer, then he is willing to attack a teen.

....the PROOF is in the pudding.

No one cares what your biased racist OPINION is...we are going on FACTS!

dont snow me wrote:

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It was all bogus

How can it be bogus, when it's public record, and ALL can see it?
He had to agree to ALCOHOL REHAB,for the charges to be reduced and he pled out.
His father is a judge, so he got "special" treatment:)
...oh, and he ex girlfriend has an active restraining order on him:)

dont snow me wrote:

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he was sticking up for a friend

So does that make it right?
Can I get drunk and shove someone if I'm with friends?

Why are you making EXCUSES for his behavior?

Zimmerman is a THUG, and deserves 2nd degree MURDER!

dont snow me wrote:

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and he barely brushed some pretend cop.

Barely shoved? Were you there? It was enough to get him ARRESTED!
Look how you try to minimize the assault he got arrested for:)
HE IS A THUG, and you are a THUG for defending assault!

dont snow me wrote:

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We all know cops get away with a lot of shit.

Why are you changing the subject from Zimmerman being VIOLENT to cops getting away with sh!t?

That is a straw man:

A straw man is an argument based on misrepresentation of an opponent's point.
To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a point (Zimmerman's violent history) by replacing it with a similar yet unequivalent point (cops get away with shit), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.

lol

A Citizen Soldier wrote:

<quoted text>Until he took a left turn and started heading right towards Martin.
I got that from a timeline and map that either Charlie in Austin or Armed Veteran posted. I don't remember which one posted it or which thread it was on.
So it looks like he saw Martin and decided to confront him anyway.

I have seen nothing about him once again changing his mind.

However, if somoene confronts you, do you have legal right to pound their head into the ground. And is it illegal for them to shoot you to stop you pounding their head into the ground.

That is undisputed by Z, the evidence, and the witness.

Granted, a "smart" person could use stand your ground to commit murder. Is the possibility that could happen grounds to eliminate stand your ground laws. No.

That law has allowed hundreds of folsk to use deadly force without having to spend their life savings in court for defending themselves.

Is Z smart enough. Doubt it.

Did he intend to commit murder. No. He shot to stop. Once.

The cops would have emptied their magazine into Martin.

Bottom line, Martin would be alive if he had not been pounding z's head into the ground.

ZigmunnDroid wrote:

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I have seen nothing about him once again changing his mind.
However, if somoene confronts you, do you have legal right to pound their head into the ground. And is it illegal for them to shoot you to stop you pounding their head into the ground.
That is undisputed by Z, the evidence, and the witness.
Granted, a "smart" person could use stand your ground to commit murder. Is the possibility that could happen grounds to eliminate stand your ground laws. No.
That law has allowed hundreds of folsk to use deadly force without having to spend their life savings in court for defending themselves.
Is Z smart enough. Doubt it.
Did he intend to commit murder. No. He shot to stop. Once.
The cops would have emptied their magazine into Martin.
Bottom line, Martin would be alive if he had not been pounding z's head into the ground.

Z followed T

Z was told to STOP following T

What about T's right to stand his ground?

Z was the aggressor, and we KNOW he turned LEFT, away from his truck and had to have approached T according to where the shooting/scuffle took place.

If Z followed or approached T...then T had the RIGHT to STAND HIS GROUND, no matter the means....that's the law:)

Mostly......why would cops have emptied the mags into him?
They would risk their CAREERS and empty into him....what is your logic to say that? Why?
lol

P.S. Trayvon was shot in the BACK....that's MURDER:)

I say:
Z followed T.
Z confronted T.
T "stood his gorund" and knocked the living FUCK out of Z.
Z hit the ground hard.
Z's ego hit the ground as well.
T TURNED his back to walk away.
...and Z shot him.

...and explains the 2nd degree murder charge:)

My theory:)

Snow Bunny_ wrote:

<quoted text>What he SAID he did, and what he actually did are TWO different things:)
<quoted text>...then you forgot...he to a LEFT TURN away from his truck, and confronted Martin when he spotted him again:)
Shot in the back = MURDER!!!
No?
"Trayvon Martin Shot In The Back of Head?
Article: March 27, 2012
A local Fox insider from Tennessee, Joseph Kyles, is reporting new information that could turn the investigation up on its head. Kyles says that Martin was shot in the back of the head. If true, that would bring into question Zimmerman’s claim of self defense. The very nature of self defense is to retaliate against an attacker. An attacker would seem to be in a more aggressive posture and not have his back turned as if trying to run away. If this were the case, then self defense ends at that point and becomes murder, even an execution possibly"
OUCH!

Wow! Bunny that’s breaking news...I haven’t heard that before. Where is your source for your information...I know how much you like posting your source.

Oh, wait...I found the rest of the story that you failed to add;

“There is a rub here, though.”
“Who is Joseph Kyles? Kyles is a local board member of Rainbow Push, Jessie Jackson’s civil rights group. Why is this relevant? Because Jackson has reportedly been announcing at his speeches that “[George] Zimmerman told police he had killed him. Shot him in the back of the head in self-defense”– although for some reason, the paper reporting Jackson’s statements, the Orlando Sentinel, has pulled the remarks (though the line is still available via Google Cache). So either Kyles has information that nobody else does, or Jackson’s talking points are going around to his affiliated organizations. If the former, this could be a serious change in the nature of the case. If the latter, Jackson and those who are parroting him must stop spreading unsubstantiated information immediately – such behavior clouds the case itself, and drives public anger without evidence.”

http://thewesternexperience.com/2012/03/27/wa...

Here’s Jackson’s quote from a Google cached article;

March 25, 2012

The Rev. Jesse Jackson spoke at Macedonia Missionary Baptist in Eatonville

...church, "Zimmerman told police he had killed him. Shot him in the back of the head in self-defense."

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search...

Gee...sorta makes you wonder why they pulled that information...and there is no one else that seems to have that information to report on.

Do YOU have any other source...other than “Rainbow Push”...?...perhaps some “official” source...?

T. Martin, according to the link below which was placed 16 hours ago, was nOT shot in the back of the head. He was shot once in the chest.

http://news.yahoo.com/trayvon-martin-shooter-...

From the article:
"Zimmerman then pulled out the 9mm handgun he was licensed to carry and shot Martin once in the chest."

I Martin had been shot in the back of the head, the police would not have waited over 6 weeks to arrest Zimmerman.

"If"

The linked report below states that the prosecution's affadavit even states that Zimmerman shot Martin in the chest.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/13/justice/florida...

From the article:
"Zimmerman shot Martin in the chest. When police arrived Zimmerman admitted shooting Martin. Officers recovered a gun from a holster inside Zimmerman's waistband."

Snow Bunny_ wrote:

<quoted text>I guess you are unaware that it has been made public, that Trayvon was SHOT IN THE BACK!!!!!!!!
YEP.....that's MURDER!

Try again.

OUCH!!

Snow Bunny_ wrote:

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I say:
Z followed T.
Z confronted T.
T "stood his gorund" and knocked the living FUCK out of Z.
Z hit the ground hard.
Z's ego hit the ground as well.
T TURNED his back to walk away.
...and Z shot him.
...and explains the 2nd degree murder charge:)
My theory:)

And your "theory" is not based on what has been reported. And even if Zimmerman did "confront" Martin, if Zimmerman did not assault Martin first (and no report I have read says he did), Martin would have NO JUST CAUSE to "knocked the living FUCK out of Z." Zimmerman did not break any law by following Martin. Zimmerman did not break any law if he confronted Martin. In his own private, gated community, Zimmerman would have every right to ask Martin what he was doing there. And Martin would have every right to say "none of your damn business" and keep walking. But that's not what has been reported. No reports to date have said that Martin was shot while walking away, nor have any witnesses claimed such. Not even the witness that saw Zimmerman on the ground getting beat by Martin.

Try thinking a little more objectively instead of letting your emotions get the better of you.(yeah right)

It is reported TODAY, that the "chest wound" was actually an EXIT WOUND.....Hence: 2nd degree murder:)



If we are to believe the series of events that Zimmerman has been set forward, then Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman "bashing his head on the pavement" IF Z shot Trayvon while he was on the bottom facing him, wouldn't he then either have to push the dead body either back or to the side and have blood all over him, leaving it in a postion NOT face down?

It just seems like another HUGE hole in George Zimmerman's story

Snow Bunny_ wrote:

<quoted text>I guess you are unaware that it has been made public, that Trayvon was SHOT IN THE BACK!!!!!!!!
YEP.....that's MURDER!

Jane you ignorant slut. Your gangbang buddies were claiming that 2 weeks ago.

Sheesh you're stupid.

Snow Bunny_ wrote:

It is reported TODAY, that the "chest wound" was actually an EXIT WOUND.....Hence: 2nd degree murder:)
If we are to believe the series of events that Zimmerman has been set forward, then Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman "bashing his head on the pavement" IF Z shot Trayvon while he was on the bottom facing him, wouldn't he then either have to push the dead body either back or to the side and have blood all over him, leaving it in a postion NOT face down?
It just seems like another HUGE hole in George Zimmerman's story

Jane you ignorant slut, your quote was printed 3 days ago.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/...

Reported today that blo bunny is an ignorant slut.

A Citizen Soldier wrote:

<quoted text>Martin was minding his own business until he was unfairly profiled. Zimmerman had no knowledge of Martin's Facebook or Twitter accounts when he profiled him. Maybe I'd understand it better if Martin was actually caught committing a crime that night or had more than Skittles and a drink on his person at the time of the shooting.

Well, using the methodolity of the liberal media, I am sure it will be proven that Martin was the look out who was casing likely places to be robbed by his other gang buddies.

I mean, who leaves a comfortable house, in the rain, at 11pm at night to get a soft drink and skittles. Mom did not have soft drinks in her house??? When her favorite son was going to visit while suspended from school???

Late at night, while it is raining is a great time to case a prospective place for your buddies to break into.

Hows that for liberal investigative journalism?

I can make stuff up a lot better than Jesse and the media.

And now we have blo bunny talking about the shot in the back?

A Citizen Soldier wrote:

<quoted text>Not relevant to the case because Zimmerman had no knowledge of any prior info on Martin and Martin only had Skittles and a drink on his person at the time of the shooting.

He had his fists on the end of his long arms.

Plus, he was using both hands to pound Z's head in the ground.

That means he was not concerned about any gun Z had.

A Citizen Soldier wrote:

<quoted text>Zimmerman did indeed walk towards Martin to meet him.

And indeed turned around when told by the dispatcher.

A Citizen Soldier wrote:

<quoted text>You mean the neighborhood watch person who was stalking and harassing a local young black male who was breaking no laws and had no drugs/weapons or instruments of crime on his person at the time of his death?

Except for the local black male, accurate post. Here is another.

The lookout for the local gang was spotted by the sharp eyes of the watch captain. When the captain lost sight of the suspect, he tried to pursue on foot when the 911 dispatcher told him to return to his truck. While returing to his truck, the suspect appraoched the captain and attacked him, knocking him to the ground. He then grabbed the captains head with both hands and begin pounding his head in the ground, a neighbor saw the captain on the ground, screaming for help, and yelled for the suspect to stop, that he was calling 911, while he did that, he heard a shot. The suspect was not laying on the ground not moving.

I like my version better.

Both have the same available facts.

Excpet for the lookout for the local gang.

Snow Bunny_ wrote:

It is reported TODAY, that the "chest wound" was actually an EXIT WOUND.....Hence: 2nd degree murder:)
If we are to believe the series of events that Zimmerman has been set forward, then Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman "bashing his head on the pavement" IF Z shot Trayvon while he was on the bottom facing him, wouldn't he then either have to push the dead body either back or to the side and have blood all over him, leaving it in a postion NOT face down?
It just seems like another HUGE hole in George Zimmerman's story

Reported where??? How about posting a link to back your claim? And if your link is to Rainbow Push...sorry, you lose. Nowhere has it been said that there was any kind of wound...entrance or exit...on Martin's back (except by the race-baiting reverends).

Again. Here is the link to the report stating that the prosecution's affadavit even states that Martin was shot IN THE CHEST:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/13/justice/florida...

^That^ is what is known as a link. If you don't know how to copy and paste, I'm sure someone can show you how.

You lose...AGAIN.

A Citizen Soldier wrote:

<quoted text>So...let's try this again.
If you pounded someone's head into the concrete sidewalk (not ground), do you think they might be knocked unconscious or at least have a concussion? I mean something more than a scratch at least?
Afterall, people merely fall in the tub and die. Certainly having your head repeatedly pounded into the concrete sidewalk is worse than that.....right?

Not at all CS. I have seen tiny wounds and unconscious people and major wounds with the people walking around. Everyone is different.

When you lean over someone and are holding their head in both hands, your leverage is not as strong as when you can grab a hand full of hair and hold your own weight off the ground with the other hand.

Don't ask how I know that.

I know that Martin had both hands on Z's head.

Z' hair is shorter than mine.