the Identity of Macedonians

lilalo wrote:

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Are you not at all affected by the arrogance FYROM promotes with its racist pseudo-scientific 'evidence'
and with the identity theft that wants to be translated into land theft?????
You surprise me!

the truth is that the greek govt doesnt like to admit they are in the wrong about macedonia so they persue this vendetta against macedonia it self and portray that greece is macedonian yes there are agean macedonians and they get treated like dirt in their own country but macedonia is real and hear to stay greece will not bully macedonia around

macedon wrote:

<quoted text>every greek quotes alot of things on the net but i can quote things to but one thing is look up on your history as alexander the great is macedonian and is sertanatly not greek and that that everyone takes a look at the world map as it doesnt mention any where that macedonia is in greece it was apart of yugoslavia now acountry in its own right

Here we have it: Macedonia was a part of YougoSLAVIA, I have just 2 questions for you:

1. When did Yougoslavia started existing?
2. What was the ethnic race of the YougoSLAVIANS?

macedon wrote:

<quoted text>your just jellous that i live in a great country so i dont whos got the proplem jerkoff

Wog you do live in a great country but learn how to write english so that australians can actually tolerate your lot. So stop ripping of Centrelink and learn English.

lilalo wrote:

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Listen you dead inside little brat!
YOU sound better when you simply shut up!

the truth hearts doesnt it yor starting to crak up under the pressure

Slavinator wrote:

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Wog you do live in a great country but learn how to write english so that australians can actually tolerate your lot. So stop ripping of Centrelink and learn English.

hay mate i can talk inglish very well and 1 i have a good steady job and have worked all my life and dont need hand outs like alot of people seem to do in your pathetic country

bugarin wrote:
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What are you serbian or makedonec?
You can't be both?
Thats right, Bugarce :)
Now, did you finally understand that Macedonian can NOT be Greek in same time??
Unless, one of the parents is Macedonian and another one is Greek/Serb/Bulgarian...

Thats right Hunza:) You can be one of these:
- Greek from Macedonia
- Bulgarian from Macedonia
- Albanian from Macedonia
- Serb from Macedonia
- Combination of any of these
2nd option:
- Fyromian from ex Yugoslavia
- yugoslavian, residing in any of the 5 parts of Macedonia

Please read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Macedoni...

macedon wrote:

<quoted text>hay mate i can talk inglish very well and 1 i have a good steady job and have worked all my life and dont need hand outs like alot of people seem to do in your pathetic country

"....talk inglish very well..."
I am sorry but what exacly is "inglish"?
haha!

Inglish is like makedoniJa and indiJa. Maybe next time inglish becomes ingliJsh

oli oi Ellines grapste:

Ich Bin ein/eine M A K E D N O N

Opws o JFK eipe gia to Verolino capote
pou afto itan se dyscoli thesi.

Eni Macedonia wrote:

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Macedonia WAS an empire, not f...ing Greek state!!
Stop learning fairy tales, men!
With Bucharest Treaty,part of Macedonia became Greek....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Balkan_War...
YOU ARE OCCUPATORS!!!

ENI SLAVA
your gayfriend boy in yr avatar icon, at the end was not possible to fck you and you now entered in the toilet to self-please yourself....by changing the icon with an abusing one.
Since you started it:
The answer is now posted here for you
I provide you with red paper, use it

Eugene Borza:

"During medieval and modem times, Macedonia was known as a Balkan region inhabited by ethnic Greeks, Albanians, Vlachs, Serbs, Bulgarians, Jews, and Turks."

Macedonia is a geographical region like Europe, the Balkans or Scandinavia. All people inhabiting modern Macedonia are equally and evidently Macedonians regardless of ethnicity, race, religion, language etc.
The modern region of Macedonia is much larger than the ancient kingdom of Macedon, one of the many ancient Hellenic and Hellenistic state entities. On the contrary, modern Macedonia is ethnically, culturally and linguistically diverse.
There are three Macedonian subregions: Greek (or Aegean) Macedonia, North (or Vardar) Macedonia and the Blagoevgrad province (Bulgarian or Pirin Macedonia).
The major ethnicities of modern Macedonians include ethnic Greeks (more than half of the population in the whole region), Slav Macedonians or Makedonci (around 20-25%), Albanians (around 10%), Bulgarians (around 10%).

macedon wrote:

<quoted text>the truth hearts doesnt it yor starting to crak up under the pressure

I did like hear you say that!
I'm a 'psy' you know....

Makedonikos Agonas wrote:

Eugene Borza:
"During medieval and modem times, Macedonia was known as a Balkan region inhabited by ethnic Greeks, Albanians, Vlachs, Serbs, Bulgarians, Jews, and Turks."
Macedonia is a geographical region like Europe, the Balkans or Scandinavia. All people inhabiting modern Macedonia are equally and evidently Macedonians regardless of ethnicity, race, religion, language etc.
The modern region of Macedonia is much larger than the ancient kingdom of Macedon, one of the many ancient Hellenic and Hellenistic state entities. On the contrary, modern Macedonia is ethnically, culturally and linguistically diverse.
There are three Macedonian subregions: Greek (or Aegean) Macedonia, North (or Vardar) Macedonia and the Blagoevgrad province (Bulgarian or Pirin Macedonia).
The major ethnicities of modern Macedonians include ethnic Greeks (more than half of the population in the whole region), Slav Macedonians or Makedonci (around 20-25%), Albanians (around 10%), Bulgarians (around 10%).

Under ethnic greeks you also count the Vlachs Albanians and Slavs that are greek citizens.

If Greece does not recognise ethnicities than just say Greek citizens, and don't use ethnic Greecs. And yes Greece as a state does not recognise ethnicities all the Greek citizens are of Greek nationality which does not nececeraly mean greek ethnicity.

KOKO wrote:

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Under ethnic greeks you also count the Vlachs Albanians and Slavs that are greek citizens.
If Greece does not recognise ethnicities than just say Greek citizens, and don't use ethnic Greecs. And yes Greece as a state does not recognise ethnicities all the Greek citizens are of Greek nationality which does not nececeraly mean greek ethnicity.

However the same holds for the Skopje state. If they want to honor their constitutional name, you know RoM, they should grant citizenship to ANY person born in Greek, North or Bulgarian Macedonia regardless of ethnicity and language. Otherwise they can be either North Macedonia, Slavic Macedonia or NO Macedonia AT ALL.
I hope you see the equivalence of the point.
thank you for your comment that provided me with the opportunity to bring up the issue of parity among all of the Macedonians.

KOKO wrote:

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Under ethnic greeks you also count the Vlachs Albanians and Slavs that are greek citizens.
If Greece does not recognise ethnicities than just say Greek citizens, and don't use ethnic Greecs. And yes Greece as a state does not recognise ethnicities all the Greek citizens are of Greek nationality which does not nececeraly mean greek ethnicity.

I will make it easy for you

In Greece we have
"Grecogrekcogrecogreek greeksgrecogreekogreeks"
in Vardarska we have:
"Slavoseboalbanogreco bulgaroturkogypsies"

that is the difference my friend

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KOKO wrote:

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Under ethnic greeks you also count the Vlachs Albanians and Slavs that are greek citizens.
If Greece does not recognise ethnicities than just say Greek citizens, and don't use ethnic Greecs. And yes Greece as a state does not recognise ethnicities all the Greek citizens are of Greek nationality which does not nececeraly mean greek ethnicity.

Did you suggest to the HUNZA to call themseves
Macedonians or have you left it for later?

Makedonikos Agonas wrote:

Eugene Borza:
"During medieval and modem times, Macedonia was known as a Balkan region inhabited by ethnic Greeks, Albanians, Vlachs, Serbs, Bulgarians, Jews, and Turks."
Macedonia is a geographical region like Europe, the Balkans or Scandinavia. All people inhabiting modern Macedonia are equally and evidently Macedonians regardless of ethnicity, race, religion, language etc.

The modern region of Macedonia is much larger than the ancient kingdom of Macedon, one of the many ancient Hellenic and Hellenistic state entities. On the contrary, modern Macedonia is ethnically, culturally and linguistically diverse.
There are three Macedonian subregions: Greek (or Aegean) Macedonia, North (or Vardar) Macedonia and the Blagoevgrad province (Bulgarian or Pirin Macedonia).
The major ethnicities of modern Macedonians include ethnic Greeks (more than half of the population in the whole region), Slav Macedonians or Makedonci (around 20-25%), Albanians (around 10%), Bulgarians (around 10%).

*******
You repeatedly stress on :…”Macedonia is a geographical region like Europe,the Balkans or Scandinavia…”
Could you continue this statement with “… like America, etc...”,?

USA( US of America) is named after geographical region of America.
USA’s ethnical. cultural and linguistical diversity is much wider than of Macedonian’s.
What would be the difference between USA and USM (US of Macedonia)if, before partitioning in 1912, USM came into existence.

What do you think of UNITED STATES OF MACEDONIA?

Srbomakedonac wrote:

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*******
You repeatedly stress on :…”Macedonia is a geographical region like Europe,the Balkans or Scandinavia…”
Could you continue this statement with “… like America, etc...”,?
USA( US of America) is named after geographical region of America.
USA’s ethnical. cultural and linguistical diversity is much wider than of Macedonian’s.
What would be the difference between USA and USM (US of Macedonia)if, before partitioning in 1912, USM came into existence.
What do you think of UNITED STATES OF MACEDONIA?

The correct term used for the USA is US or USA not just America. Ask for example what the people of South America are thinking on this issue.

On your second point: you should learn a little bit more about the history of the American Revolution. In the beginning each and every state (colony) started as an independent nation. There was a strong debate on whether the states should be united under a federal umbrella or not (see the Federalist papers for details). Then after this long debate the states decided FREELY to form a federation. For example, the invitation to form the USA was extended to Canada but the people there decided they didn't want to join so they didn't.

Also you should know that the Civil War here started because of the secession of the Southern states that formed their own independent confederation. There are even today many US law experts that support that the decision of Abraham Lincoln to force these states back into the Union by military action was unconstitutional.

In the region of Macedonia there was never a movement to form such a federal nation. Furthermore, the Skopje regime back in 2001 decided to claim the name of the whole region for its national name and the name of the Macedonians for a fraction of its population. When was there a request extended from them to the other Macedonian peoples? When did the Skopje regime on whether the other Macedonians wanted to give up their name and Macedonian id?