Why Does China Want A Mural In Oregon Destroyed?

2 Cents wrote:

I don't get it either. If I were China's leaders, I wouldn't give a crap about some stupid mural in Oregon. First, nobody that truly matters stays in Oregon. Second, the policy makers that do matter already have an opinion and no amount of graffiti is gonna change their minds. Finally, maybe most importantly, most Americans really don't care about kung fu monks whether they are burning themselves or not. We've got more important things on our minds like keeping our homes and putting food on the table.

Two cents, I like your ironic spiel about the USA in other pots. But people, Americans, do care about people self-immolating. A lot of movie stars are Buddhists and normal Americans follow them. The world cares. Arab Spring was set off by a Tunisian self-immolating.

Maybe YOU don't care about Buddhism, but I assure you many do.

And Kung fu monks as you call are extremely popular in America. As the box office shows for one.In the seventies, there was a Kung fu craze. Just to say that makes no sense.

Lastly, Amerian policy is bound up in Taiwan. They supported Taiwan against China.

Like I said, the biggest China critics are Chinese.

The issue about Tibet is precisely this; why do people care? It is only 5 percent the land mass of China. Tibetan is not spoken outside Tibet.

1. The issue is not whether China owns Tibet. The Dalai wants more autonomy,not transference of ownership or complete sovereignty.

2. The issue is, there is no-where that has ever been quite like it.

3. More,much more than that - it is quite distinct from China and Chinese culture. You look at it and you know. That's how obvious it is. The naked eye can perceive it.

4. People,even non-Buddhists, do not want this unique area to become culturally and politically homogenized with China. Something beautiful must be preserved.

5. Tibets cruel past is irrelevant. It is culturally unique.

That is why it matters; Americans can never be culturally unique since they are derivative from other cultures. It's their work ethic which is. But no country can ever afford to lose something like Tibet.

That's why we care.

If Tibet were China, we d be saying free China!

If China were Iceland,for example, it would have bowed down to international pressure to give up its political indoctrination and sinosization of Tibet.

That's because Iceland does not, as Marxist countries do,consider religion to be the opium of the people.

Why Does China Want A Mural In Oregon Destroyed?
A better question is why did those M-F ers kill my dog?

Stranger wrote:

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Two cents, I like your ironic spiel about the USA in other pots. But people, Americans, do care about people self-immolating. A lot of movie stars are Buddhists and normal Americans follow them. The world cares. Arab Spring was set off by a Tunisian self-immolating.
Maybe YOU don't care about Buddhism, but I assure you many do.
And Kung fu monks as you call are extremely popular in America. As the box office shows for one.In the seventies, there was a Kung fu craze. Just to say that makes no sense.
Lastly, Amerian policy is bound up in Taiwan. They supported Taiwan against China.

Not trying to be ironic at all. Our foreign policy is sufficiently ironic already all be itself. Of course our policy makers care about Taiwan and Tibet but they care for geopolitical reasons and not because they actually gave a damned about kung fu monks or Chen Shui Bian. If we actually cared about human rights or democracy, we wouldn't be buddies with either Israel or Saudi Arabia. Its just about money and power baby. The way it should be.

As for my average fellow Americans, you might be right that we are so idiotic that our world views are shaped by a movie star with a hamster up his ass (reportedly Richard Gere) and 70's kung fu movies. However right now, what's foremost on our minds is the fear of losing our jobs and that aching feeling in our empty though still very large bellies.

Two cents, you are quite clearly a political stooge for the CCP. Your pathetic cover fools no-one.

I mean the thousands of movies today about Tibetan monks, that guy Chow Fat? He's always starring in Tibetan monk meets New Yorker films.

I mean people not government. I know the American government is self-centered.

They do care. Your (stupid) government realised that and sent over siome goons.

In America, you can have two thoughts in your head at the same time. One is about your romantic perspective,the other, your material. You ignore the first.

Your comments are in totis ironic, so it's not a cover,unless you really are like the CCP.

And are silly enough to expect I will believe you're an American

Stranger wrote:

Two cents, you are quite clearly a political stooge for the CCP. Your pathetic cover fools no-one.
I mean the thousands of movies today about Tibetan monks, that guy Chow Fat? He's always starring in Tibetan monk meets New Yorker films.
I mean people not government. I know the American government is self-centered.
They do care. Your (stupid) government realised that and sent over siome goons.
In America, you can have two thoughts in your head at the same time. One is about your romantic perspective,the other, your material. You ignore the first.
Your comments are in totis ironic, so it's not a cover,unless you really are like the CCP.

Haha. Sorry, I had to chuckle at your suspicion of me being a CCP stooge. Not being familiar with the thousands of movies about monks is hardly evidence of that. I'm too busy watching porn and polishing my gun (the kind protected by the second amendment). I don't even know if irony is permitted in China. At any rate, I'm a hardcore capitalist who regrets very much that Sarah Palin did not win the Republican nomination. The general elections would have been even more entertaining then the leadership shuffle in Beijing. Peace comrade.

And peace to you..

Still, I will study Chinese literature. Irony and sarcasm, rhyming and metaphor all presented problems in my English teaching life in China.

I tried this on about fifty.

' tuo ying er chu' means what? Originally, the metaphor derives from..?

StarsplashTaiwan wrote:

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China forgot the one basic rule about the states: freedom of speech. And we love it. If China would of just left the issue alone, no one in the US would of known what happened. However, because of China's stupidity and the fact they have to meddle in everyones affairs, This mural became national news. Now everyone knows where the mural is and what it is about which would spread the message of the mural throughout the entire US. More people are aware of the issue and can take a stand on it. The one thing China wanted kept hidden, is out in the open because China couldn't keep shut the fu-ck up.
Ironic isn't it.

Yes, freedom of speech. That's why 30 U.S. Embassies burn world-wide.

Stranger wrote:

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They always do that. The Falungong ( which I don't practice) were, as my Ning Bo Chinese teacher laughingly told me, scarcely known in China. Not everyone knew them. Then suddenly, every news night and every article lambasting the evil cult. Why? No English would have known about them, but they put a big notice on Chinese Lonon Consullate about Beware the Falungong. So later, there were demonstrations. But the Chinese Embassador said ' The Organ Harvesting is ompletely ridiculous' thus telling English all about this issue.
Like giving 500 buses to Macedonia or Malta or wherever it was just after a horrible bus crash in China.
The logic isn't there. I respect the Chinese very much but the CCP are goo s who got lucky.

That's 50 buses to Macedonia. I'm sure that donation was decided long before the school bus crash in China in the week before the donation ceremony.

Stranger wrote:

The issue about Tibet is precisely this; why do people care? It is only 5 percent the land mass of China. Tibetan is not spoken outside Tibet.
1. The issue is not whether China owns Tibet. The Dalai wants more autonomy,not transference of ownership or complete sovereignty.
2. The issue is, there is no-where that has ever been quite like it.
3. More,much more than that - it is quite distinct from China and Chinese culture. You look at it and you know. That's how obvious it is. The naked eye can perceive it.
4. People,even non-Buddhists, do not want this unique area to become culturally and politically homogenized with China. Something beautiful must be preserved.
5. Tibets cruel past is irrelevant. It is culturally unique.
That is why it matters; Americans can never be culturally unique since they are derivative from other cultures. It's their work ethic which is. But no country can ever afford to lose something like Tibet.
That's why we care.
If Tibet were China, we d be saying free China!

The issue of Tibet is about a foreign-funded contra separatist movement. And you know how ordinary Chinese people feel about foreigners meddling in China's sovereignty, as you can see from the massive protests in 180 cities China-wide on Sept. 18 (Tues).

Just wait and see what happens after the Dollar Lama dies, and watch how fast that separatist movement overseas collapse from within.

Stranger wrote:

If China were Iceland,for example, it would have bowed down to international pressure to give up its political indoctrination and sinosization of Tibet.
That's because Iceland does not, as Marxist countries do,consider religion to be the opium of the people.

And you know China's no Iceland.

china let me see how i feel about wops??????they need to stop there belly aching a fu anothr goat again oh sorry thats hindus chickens that should fit or was that a pig no a monkey

RayH wrote:

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Yes, freedom of speech. That's why 30 U.S. Embassies burn world-wide.

Just shows that the middle east doesn't have freedom of speech and doesn't tolerate criticism. And when religion is the most dominant thing in you're life and its being attacked, it should be no surprise there is a reaction. Like the US reaction to 911.

We value freedom of speech, just like the middle east values its religion and you guys value communism. There will always be sacrifices, but we move on. The reaction that the film had caused was expected, the result just shows how primitive the middle east is still. I think the film was wrong and stupid, but under the first admendment, he can say Fu-ck China and China can't do anything about it. Same with this film.

RayH wrote:

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The issue of Tibet is about a foreign-funded contra separatist movement. And you know how ordinary Chinese people feel about foreigners meddling in China's sovereignty, as you can see from the massive protests in 180 cities China-wide on Sept. 18 (Tues).

Id say the same to China about the Oregon Mural issue.

Guess we are even

RayH wrote:

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The issue of Tibet is about a foreign-funded contra separatist movement. And you know how ordinary Chinese people feel about foreigners meddling in China's sovereignty, as you can see from the massive protests in 180 cities China-wide on Sept. 18 (Tues).
Just wait and see what happens after the Dollar Lama dies, and watch how fast that separatist movement overseas collapse from within.

Pride in facism and theft?

Are Chinese people the most disgusting on earth?

StarsplashTaiwan wrote:

Sorry China... Its in US soil. Freedom of speech is in effect, not to mention those events are true.
You're Communist Bullshit have no effect there.

True!

Thius just shows the WEAKNESS of the Chinese Communist Party regime.

50 monks have killed themselves in protest against the CCP occupation and colonization of Tibet, A FACT, but the CCP is TOO WEAK TO DEAL WITH REALITY and so hopes to "bully away the real world" to bring it in line with their sad and pathetic Stalinist fantasy world!

China looks stupid and weak yet again.