Israel's end is near, Ahmadinejad says

TEHRAN, Iran- Iran's hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad yesterday said the world would witness the destruction of Israel soon, the official Islamic Republic News Agency reported. Full Story

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#35412 Aug 8, 2012
Every time, it is the ARABS who cause all the problems in the middle east. Whether they are Palestinian Arabs or Israeli Arabs they are all the same They just can't help themselves. They lie distort the truth and have created a wall of Palestinian lies to try to hide behind and to try to justify the way they treat Jews. Shame on them
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#35413 Aug 8, 2012
bjork wrote:
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How do you define zionism?
Zionism is a branch of 19th and 20th century nationalism that had the specific goal of establishing a state for Jewish people. The difference then later marks those who were willing to live alongside Arabs and Palestinians and those who didn't even want to think about that. That is where the crucial distinction lies. Also, like Pan - Arabism, it has some points that are legitimate and well entitled to keeping in law because it follows the points of recognition and self determination.

You should read Ben Gurion's speech and go to the Herzl Museum in Jerusalem.
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#35414 Aug 8, 2012
Sheilaa wrote:
Every time, it is the ARABS who cause all the problems in the middle east. Whether they are Palestinian Arabs or Israeli Arabs they are all the same They just can't help themselves. They lie distort the truth and have created a wall of Palestinian lies to try to hide behind and to try to justify the way they treat Jews. Shame on them
You forget that just because they are the majority it doesn't mean they cause all the region's problems. An issue is that of sectarian violence between Maronites, Catholics, Protestants, and Evangelicals colliding into those of Orthodox, Haredi, Conservative, Reform, and Atheist Jews while also being close to Sunni and Shi'a Islam. Different opinions with no willingness for dialogue and no general consensus is what characterises the strife of the Middle East.
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#35415 Aug 8, 2012
And Atheists too. Though I doubt they would really be found in most of the Middle East... not to mention Christians. BUT STILL.

“Liberty & Justice For All”

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#35416 Aug 8, 2012
Jewish massacres of unarmed Arab civilians: 1946-1999

The King David Hotel Massacre 1946
The Massacre at Baldat al-Shaikh 1947
YEHIDA MASSACRE 1947
KHISAS MASSACRE 1947
QAZAZA MASSACRE 1947
The Semiramis Hotel Massacre 1948
The Massacre at Dair Yasin 1948
NASER AL-DIN MASSACRE 1948
THE TANTURA MASSACRE 1948
BEIT DARAS MASSACRE 1948
THE DAHMASH MOSQUE MASSACRE 1948
DAWAYMA MASSACRE 1948
HOULA MASSACRE 1948
Salha Massacre 1948
SHARAFAT MASSACRE 1951
The Massacre at Qibya 1953
KAFR QASEM MASSACRE 1956
Khan Yunis Massacre 1956
The Massacre in Gaza City 1956
AL-SAMMOU' MASSACRE 1966
Aitharoun Massacre 1975
Kawnin Massacre 1975
Hanin Massacre 1976
Bint Jbeil Massacre 1976
Abbasieh Massacre 1978
Adloun Massacre 1978
Saida Massacre 1981
Fakhani Massacre 1981
Beirut Massacre 1981
Sabra And Shatila Massacre 1982
Jibsheet Massacre 1984
Sohmor Massacre 1984
Seer Al Garbiah 1985
Maaraka 1985
Zrariah Massacre 1985
Homeen Al-Tahta Massacre 1985
Jibaa Massacre 1985
Yohmor Massacre 1985
Tiri massacre 1986
Al-Naher Al-Bared Massacre 1986
Ain Al-Hillwee Massacre 1987
OYON QARA MASSACRE 1990
Siddiqine Massacre 1990
AL-AQSA MOSQUE MASSACRE 1990
THE IBRAHIMI MOSQUE MASSACRE 1994
THE JABALIA MASSACRE 1994
Aramta Massacre 1994
ERETZ CHECKPOINT MASSACRE 1994
Deir Al-Zahrani Massacre 1994
Nabatiyeh (school bus) Massacre 1994
Mnsuriah Massacre 1996
The Sohmor Second Massacre 1996
Nabatyaih Massacre 1996
Qana Massacre 1996
Trqumia Massacr 1998
Janta Massacre 1998
Beirut 1999
Western Bekaa villages Massacre: 1999

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#35417 Aug 8, 2012
ezdzit wrote:
Jewish massacres of unarmed Arab civilians: 1946-1999
The King David Hotel Massacre 1946
The Massacre at Baldat al-Shaikh 1947
YEHIDA MASSACRE 1947
KHISAS MASSACRE 1947
QAZAZA MASSACRE 1947
The Semiramis Hotel Massacre 1948
The Massacre at Dair Yasin 1948
NASER AL-DIN MASSACRE 1948
THE TANTURA MASSACRE 1948
BEIT DARAS MASSACRE 1948
THE DAHMASH MOSQUE MASSACRE 1948
DAWAYMA MASSACRE 1948
HOULA MASSACRE 1948
Salha Massacre 1948
SHARAFAT MASSACRE 1951
The Massacre at Qibya 1953
KAFR QASEM MASSACRE 1956
Khan Yunis Massacre 1956
The Massacre in Gaza City 1956
AL-SAMMOU' MASSACRE 1966
Aitharoun Massacre 1975
Kawnin Massacre 1975
Hanin Massacre 1976
Bint Jbeil Massacre 1976
Abbasieh Massacre 1978
Adloun Massacre 1978
Saida Massacre 1981
Fakhani Massacre 1981
Beirut Massacre 1981
Sabra And Shatila Massacre 1982
Jibsheet Massacre 1984
Sohmor Massacre 1984
Seer Al Garbiah 1985
Maaraka 1985
Zrariah Massacre 1985
Homeen Al-Tahta Massacre 1985
Jibaa Massacre 1985
Yohmor Massacre 1985
Tiri massacre 1986
Al-Naher Al-Bared Massacre 1986
Ain Al-Hillwee Massacre 1987
OYON QARA MASSACRE 1990
Siddiqine Massacre 1990
AL-AQSA MOSQUE MASSACRE 1990
THE IBRAHIMI MOSQUE MASSACRE 1994
THE JABALIA MASSACRE 1994
Aramta Massacre 1994
ERETZ CHECKPOINT MASSACRE 1994
Deir Al-Zahrani Massacre 1994
Nabatiyeh (school bus) Massacre 1994
Mnsuriah Massacre 1996
The Sohmor Second Massacre 1996
Nabatyaih Massacre 1996
Qana Massacre 1996
Trqumia Massacr 1998
Janta Massacre 1998
Beirut 1999
Western Bekaa villages Massacre: 1999
I can find just as many ATTACKS to support my point of view. You still haven't addressed the fact that it was arab israelis YOU IGNORANT COWARD. TELL HALF A LIE AND EXPECT PEOPLE TO BELIEVE IT. Well we don't loser.!!!!!!!!!

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#35418 Aug 8, 2012
THE ARAB LEGACY OF HATE
By Samuel L. Blumenfeld
NewsWithViews.com
One of the reasons why it is so difficult for the average American to relate to Arabs and to Palestinians in particular is the level of hatred that they bear against Israel and Jews in general. Many American Christians see the restoration of Israel as one of the great miracles of the 20th century, a fulfillment of Biblical prophecy, especially since it took place on the heels of the Nazi holocaust in Europe. And therefore they see the hatred of Israel by Palestinians and Arabs as not only anti-Biblical but anti-Christian.
But from a merely psychological viewpoint, such hatred is also pathological and unhealthy. We all know that people consumed by hatred cannot lead normal lives because they are driven by an emotion that not only creates gut-eating inner stress, but leads to the kind of terrorist acts that took place on September 11th against America and more recently against Israel.
Arab opposition to Jewish settlement in Palestine goes back quite a ways. In the years of early immigration before the 1948 war, Jews bought land from Arabs and made it bloom. Since Palestine was a British mandate at that time, all transfers of land from Arabs to Jews were normal real estate transactions. Jews were not stealing anybody’s land. Despite the legality of all of this, there were anti-Jewish riots in Palestine that resulted in many Jews being slaughtered.
But the Zionist movement gained strength in the 1930s when Hitler took control of Germany and launched his campaign of persecution and terror against Germany’s Jewish citizens. Many Jews, reading the handwriting on the wall, emigrated to Palestine. The whole Zionist idea was to provide Jews with a haven from persecution, which they could call their own.
During the war against Hitler, the Arabs were pro-Nazi, whereas Jewish settlers formed the Jewish Brigade to help the British fight against the German Afrika Korps in North Africa. Yet, in an attempt to appease the Arabs, the British put sharp restrictions against any further immigration of Jews to Palestine.
After World War II, when the surviving Jews of Europe examined the catastrophe they had lived through, they realized that there was no possibility of returning to the way things were before the war. Hundreds of Jewish communities had been destroyed. There was no place for them to return to. And so, by the thousands they headed to Palestine. Others headed to North America and elsewhere, but the majority, renewed in their determination to rebuild Jewish life, went to the land that held that promise. The language of the Jews in Palestine was their ancient language of the Bible, Hebrew. In fact, the revival of Hebrew was another miracle in the restoration of the Jewish commonwealth.
In other words, the survivors did not linger in the refugee camps any longer than they had to. They were anxious to resume constructive lives in which they could create new families and raise new children.
Meanwhile, in Palestine, as the Jewish population increased, so did Arab opposition. The Arabs had little sympathy with the plight of Jews after the holocaust. However, it should be acknowledged that many ordinary Arabs worked with Jews from the beginning of settlement to today. But it was the Islamic religious and political leadership that harbored the greatest hatred against the Jews.

to be continued

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#35419 Aug 8, 2012
When in 1948 the United Nations voted in favor of a partition plan to divide Palestine into separate Jewish and Arab states, Arab leaders rejected it. And so, when the British finally departed from Palestine, leaders of the Jewish community declared the restoration of Israel as a sovereign state, thus fulfilling a dream two thousand years old. Christians around the world realized that what they were witnessing in their lifetime was a fulfillment of Biblical prophecy.
No sooner was the State of Israel founded, than Arab armies from Egypt, Transjordan, Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq invaded the infant state in the determination to crush it and drive the Jews into the sea. But another miracle took place, and Israel was able to defeat the Arab armies and add more territory to their small state. Jordan held on to East Jerusalem and most of the West Bank, which was mainly populated by Arabs, and Egypt annexed the Gaza Strip.
The Arabs who fled Palestine during the war were settled in refugee camps awaiting some future event that would permit them to return to their homes. The event they were told to wait for was the destruction of Israel in which the Jews would either be exterminated or forced out of the land to somewhere else. And they led their children to believe that their lives could not be improved until Arabs were victorious over the Jews.
Meanwhile, despite the Arab boycott and nonrecognition, the Jewish state grew in population and industry. Several million Jews migrated to Israel, mainly from Arab countries where they were persecuted. Also, when Russian Jews were permitted to leave the communist paradise, many of them headed to Israel.
In the Six Day War in 1967, Israel again defeated the armies of Egypt, Syria and Jordan, reoccupied the Gaza Strip, and conquered the Sinai Peninsula, the Golan Heights, the West Bank, and East Jerusalem. For the first time in 2000 years, the Jews had complete control of their ancient capital and the ancient provinces of Samaria and Judea.
In 1973, Egypt launched a surprise attack against Israel on Yom Kippur in an attempt to regain the Sinai. Although Israel was able to fend off the attack, the war led to peace negotiations between Egypt’s Anwar Sadat and Israel’s Menachem Begin, and the return of the Sinai to Egypt.
Meanwhile, during all of those years, Israel was regularly attacked by Palestinian terrorists whose goal it was to destroy the Jewish state. The chief organizer of this terrorism was none other than Yasser Arafat, who organized the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) with the help of the Soviet Union. As of today, the goal of the PLO is still the destruction of Israel, and their chosen method of combat is terrorism.
During all of this time, the movement to destroy Israel has been fueled by a force of hatred maintained at the highest level by unrelenting propaganda and incitement. Just as the previous attacks against Israel have failed, the present attack will also fail. But the hatred will hardly go away. The Arab Islamic leadership will sustain it because hatred and perpetual war have become their way of life.
It is time for American leadership to realize that Israel must be permitted to do to Palestinian terrorists what the U.S. is now doing to their Taliban brothers in Afghanistan. There can be no Palestinian autonomous entity as long as it harbors the kind of terrorists who are committing murder and mayhem against innocent Israeli men, women and children on buses, in restaurants, in shopping malls, and on the highways. No nation should be expected to tolerate such a high level of bloody murder of its people. And no nation can escape its duty to protect its citizens by the only means that works: a war to the finish against Palestinian terrorists.

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#35420 Aug 8, 2012
Arab/ Palestinian terrorist groups

http://avpv.tripod.com/terror-groups.html

“Liberty & Justice For All”

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#35421 Aug 8, 2012
Israel should pack up and go

If Israel can exist only by destroying the neighborhood, then it's time to declare it a failed state.

The Zionist dream has turned into a nightmare and is not viable. If the future holds more of the same, then the time has come to reconsider the whole project. Every state has a duty to defend its citizens, but also it has a duty to provide them with security and the two are different. The prospects are for more destruction, fanaticism, violence and hatred. No unilateral separation can isolate Israel from this, nor can the region or the world live with the consequences. This seems to be the only choice, and Israel must do itself and others a favor and go away.

The occupation of the West Bank and Gaza shows a country deprived of all humanity. The West Bank is unliveable, the population strangled into three prison clusters. Concrete barriers, barbed wires, bypass roads, human beings emerging like rats from underground tunnels, daily humiliation from hundreds of checkpoints. Gaza has been under siege since the population dared to elect Hamas, its infrastructure has been obliterated and its population has been driven to despair in what now seems like a dress rehearsal for what was to come in Lebanon.

Lebanon woke up on July 12 to a reality that can destroy the very fabric of society. Divided between those who believe in a "riviera" with consensus politics, power sharing and a weak state, and those who, like Hezbollah, see the necessity of having a fortress to resist an evil and dangerous enemy. Israel's behavior will see the logic of the latter prevail.

Yet the Lebanese system is resilient. PM Fouad Siniora, under the bombs, was able to extract a consensus for a seven-point plan where the victorious fortress accepted to go back to the political process to resolve the crisis. Lebanon still managed to challenge the U.S. and Israel through sheer persistence, and in a diplomatic tour de force it was successful in steering the UN Security Council toward a political rather than military solution. For the first time, Arab foreign ministers have been mobilized and actively lobbied international legality.

There is deliberate targeting of civilians: Israel can deny it, but at the very least, those Israelis who are doing it know it is true. Over 17,000 people were killed in the invasion of 1982, and the net result was the creation of Hezbollah, Hamas and Islamic Jihad. There is a doctrine that says Arabs need to be crushed, that they can be bombed into submission, that they will eventually fall on their knees. It is the doctrine, not its application, that is flawed. It says that by terrorizing the population, they will respect us and make peace; it says that those who dare resist need to be eradicated through targeted assassination and their supporters annihilated no matter what the cost. The only lessons Israel learned is that it should do it better next time.

Three Arab countries have peace treaties or diplomatic relations with Israel, most of the Gulf states have or had commercial bureaus, Saudi Arabia came up with the King Abdallah plan offering Israel normalization - something that was not achieved in nearly 30 years of peace with Egypt. Tunisia and Morocco have excellent relations with Israel. Even rogues like Syria and Libya give out positive vibes - the former desperate to resume peace talks unconditionally. The region has a history of tolerance and coexistence; minorities, including Jews, have survived and prospered for centuries. Israel is blind to any positive developments, and this will soon make these positions and those who hold them disappear, their stance untenable....

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/...

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#35422 Aug 8, 2012
Israel Is A Crime Against Humanity

Thanks to the fact that much of the western media deliberately avoids exposing Israeli criminality, probably for fear of being accused of anti-Semitism, much of the brutal ugliness of the Jewish state remains unknown to millions of Europeans and North Americans.

This is the reason that many people in the west are still buying the big, obscene lie that Israel is a western democracy which upholds basic human rights and civil liberties. But the facts on the ground are much uglier than many people think, irrespective of how vociferous and dogged Israeli hasbara operatives get when defending and justifying Israeli misdeeds and crimes.

The truth of the matter is that institutionalized oppression, racism and terror against the native Palestinians have always constituted and continue to constitute Israel's modus operandi.

Yes, the shipyard dogs of Israeli propaganda will concoct a thousand lies and point to a thousand red herrings to divert attention from the subject. They would invoke the holocaust, Auschwitz, Bergen Belsen, Treblinka, the Jewish origin of Christianity and many other impertinent issues in an effort to justify or more correctly distract attention from the real issue, namely the brazen evil fact of Jewish Nazism.

They would fornicate with the truth and with language in order to convince misinformed and often gullible westerners that Israel has to behave the way it does because otherwise its very survival would be in danger.

But the truth remains sufficiently plain for anyone willing to call the spade a spade. The task is certainly not easy, but not quite impossible, provided one maintains a respectable degree of rectitude and honesty.

I am saying this because the bulk of Israel's supporters are malicious liars, e.g, know well they are supporting oppression and evil, or ignoramuses, like most Israel's supporters on the American arena.

We don't deny the obvious fact that there are in the region other nefarious regimes which savage, torment and murder their own people in order to remain in power. However, violence in the neighborhood, however pornographic it may be, should never make Israel look good.

After all, Israel itself remains a crime against humanity, if only because it uprooted, supplanted and is seeking the national obliteration of millions of Palestinians whose main "guilt" is their being non-members of the holy tribe.

Israel stole their land, demolished their homes, destroyed their villages, burned their fields and then expelled them to the four winds, while filling the ether with endless mendacious hasbara about Jewish democracy, morality and genius....

Today in Israel, there are prominent politicians and religious leaders who shamelessly claim that non-Jews are donkeys in human shape, whose lives have no sanctity and who are not entitled to human dignity. There are rabbis who issue fatwas or edicts allowing Jewish doctors to let non-Jews injured in a car accident on Saturday die of their wounds rather than give them medical treatment.

There are even rabbis who would permit Jews to murder non-Jews in order to harvest their organs if the Jews needed one.

Unfortunately, such scandalous abominations raise very few eyebrows in Israel. This happens at a time when Jewish leaders routinely, even innately, hurl the charges of hate and immorality at anyone and everyone who mentions Israeli criminality.....(continued)

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.ph...

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#35423 Aug 8, 2012
Israel Is A Crime Against Humanity (continued)

....But so what? Israel and Jews have nothing to fear or worry about as long the US, its government, congress, and media, are in the Jewish pocket. The fact that the powerful and intimidating Jewish lobbies have succeeded in morphing most American politicians into absolutely docile political whores readily at Israel's beck and call.

Interestingly, this had a profound insolent effect on Israel. It was rumored a few years ago that former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon sought to silence Shimon Peres, then foreign minister, telling him "don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We control the American people and the stupid Americans know it."

Besides, the ruling elite in Israel seems to have discovered that the more extremist and the more criminal and murderous Israel becomes, the more support and backing it receives from a disgracefully pliant Washington.

It is difficult to explain this strange phenomenon from the point of view the political sociology or political psychology. The only plausible explanation is that Jewish money and power have thoroughly corrupted American political culture so much that the U.S. is sinking down the drain, definitely though no dramatically.

I have no doubt that the Palestinian people will never be able to deliver themselves from the clutches of Zio-Nazism as long as America remains thoroughly enslaved, beguiled and manipulated by world Zionism.

Zionism might soon switch alliance to China the moment China's ascendancy to the helm of the world and America's demotion to the status of second or third-class global power is asserted.

In any case, the peace and stability of the world depends to a large extent on the world community's willingness and ability to check the cancerous growth and lebensraum of Zionism.

To be sure, Zionists will not raise the white flag upon the first clash with a determined world community that is serious about justice and peace; they are too powerful and too arrogant to do that.

However, a meaningful transformation in the willingness of the international community to check the Nazi-like Zionist hegemony and supremacy will definitely make Zionism think twice before pursuing it genocidal drive toward world domination.

I have no doubt that Israel will disappear one day. I don't know when that day will come, but I feel it will come sooner than many people think. Israel is based on evil and oppression. It carries the seeds of its own destruction.

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.ph...

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#35424 Aug 8, 2012
ezdzit wrote:
Israel is going nowwhere so get used to the fact that she is here for the duration. The only failure is the Arab states in not accepting her.

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#35425 Aug 8, 2012
ezdzit wrote:
Israel will still be here when all the Arab states have been destroyed by Jesus on his return

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#35426 Aug 8, 2012
THE DISPLACEMENT OF JEWS FROM ARAB COUNTRIES
By; Ada Aharoni





The displacement of Jews from Arab countries and the hardships accompanying their immigration to Israel constitute an aspect of the Middle East refugee problem relatively unknown and neglected. Starting 1948, 900.000 Jewish refugees were uprooted in their hundreds of thousands from the lands of their birth in which they had dwelled for centuries prior to the Muslim conquest, that is, before the Arabs came from the Arabian desert to these regions in the 7th century A.D.. Until the 10th century A.D., 90 percent of world Jewry lived in regions now called the Arab countries.



In 1948 there were over 850,000 Jews living in the Arab countries of the Middle East and North Africa. By 1976, a generation later, most of the Jewish communities in these countries had disappeared, leaving behind a few thousand Jews, scattered over a number of cities in the region. These historic facts could be used to advance the Peace Process in the Middle East today, if they are presented and used in a positive way. This sad and relatively abrupt end to one of the oldest Jewish settlements in the world, is in great part due to a long chain of intolerance, discrimination, degrading civil codes and often cruel persecutions which were meted out to members of the Jewish faith by their host countries, after the rise of the State of Israel in 1948. However, there were times when Jews enjoyed a degree of tolerance and protection under the law and in some instances even rose to prominence under Arab rule.



The declaration of the State of Israel in 1948 as an independent Jewish state, on the one hand marked the intensification of anti-Jewish measures in Arab lands and on the other, as an opportunity to get rid of the Jews by permitting them to emigrate. Several Arab countries have in some instances indirectly encouraged this trend by closing an eye to the clandestine Zionist activities and operations in their countries. Later, however, this trend was reversed, so that Jews in some Arab countries such as Syria and Yemen are held as hostages to this day.



Conditions for Jews become unbearable



With the United Nations resolution on the partition of Palestine in November 1947, Arab riots broke out against numerous Jewish communities throughout the Arab world. Jewish shops, homes and synagogues were burned and looted; hundreds of Jews were murdered, thousands were imprisoned, their movement was restricted, emigration to Israel banned and many Jews were deprived of their citizenship. Jews who at one time were influential in commerce suddenly lost their holdings; bank accounts belonging to Jews were frozen, and property valued at millions of dollars was confiscated. As in previous centuries, Jews were further removed from government agencies and their admission to public office was severely restricted. They lost their means of survival and became hostages in their own countries of birth and origin. Consequently, they could no longer remain there. Where once Jewish communities flourished and thrived, their traces have been erased as Jews in large numbers were compelled to uproot and displace themselves and to leave all their property behind.

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#35427 Aug 9, 2012
Jews displaced from Arab lands finally recognized

Knesset has adopted a law under which any Israeli government entering into peace talks must use those talks to advance a compensation claim for those who became Israeli citizens.

For the first time since they came to Israel, all 10 Jewish communities displaced from Arab countries have agreed on a course of action to address their grievances - and triumphed in the political arena.

The plight of the estimated 856,000 Jews who were forced to leave Arab countries after the establishment of the State of Israel has played a minimal role so far in negotiations for Middle East peace. But on February 22, the Knesset adopted a law under which any Israeli government entering into peace talks must use those talks to advance a compensation claim for those who became Israeli citizens.

The impact on the Middle East peace process is unclear. But according to the law?s supporters, its implications for Jews from Arab countries is substantial.

"This is a historic decision that will make peace in the Middle East about justice for everyone," said Isaac Devash, the lobbyist who brought the various communities together around the legislative proposal and then took it to the Knesset. Devash, a Tel Aviv businessman and child of Libyan Jews, is a volunteer with the New York-based group Justice for Jews From Arab Countries.

Supporters of the new law say that its passage also shows that Israel today is more accepting of Sephardic discourse than it has been in the past. It illustrates "that we suffered as well as the Jews from Europe, and this is important," Nachum Gilboa, a leader of the representative council for Libyan Jewry, told the Forward.

The United Nations estimates that, upon the creation of the State of Israel in 1948, 726,000 Palestinians became refugees. JJAC estimates that at the same time, Arab states displaced 856,000 Jewish citizens, in many cases seizing their personal and communal assets. Around two-thirds settled in Israel, and the rest went elsewhere, mostly to France, the United States and Canada. There is no agreed-upon estimate of the assets these Jews lost, though Sidney Zabludoff, a former CIA and Treasury Department official, used data on Palestinian losses to extrapolate some $6 billion in lost Jewish assets.

To be continued

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#35428 Aug 9, 2012
Jews displaced form Arab lands finally recognised

Until the new law passed, members of the displaced communities had more success in the Diaspora political arena than in Israel. In April 2008, the U.S. House of Representatives passed a nonbinding resolution urging that every reference to Palestinian refugees raised in international forums be matched by a similarly explicit reference to the uprooting of Jewish communities from Arab countries.

Some Israelis have voiced reservations about efforts to advance the cause of displaced Jews from Arab countries. On the right, critics argued that talking about them as refugees undercut the Zionist case that those who settled in Israel were in fact returning to their own homeland. On the left, there has been concern that Israeli-Palestinian negotiations are complicated enough without factoring in a situation for which Palestinians themselves are not responsible, and that doing so could hold back the chances of peace.

Some critics have warned that Palestinians could use the issue to demand quid pro quo compensation of their own.

Gadi Baltiansky, an expert on the peace process, said that the law created an "artificial" connection between the Palestine refugee problem and that of Jews from Arab lands. The issue of Jews from Arab lands should "not be part of the Israeli-Palestinian process," which must be bilateral, said Baltiansky, director general of the Geneva Initiative, which produces detailed proposals for an Israeli-Palestinian agreement.

But Devash managed to secure broad consensus for the law in the Knesset. The proposal?s sponsor was lawmaker Nissim Ze'ev of the right-wing and Hareidi-oriented Shas party, whose main followers are Jews from Arab countries and their descendents. All Zionist parties, including Labor and Meretz on the left, supported the measure.

Still, the law's diverse backers seem to have different views on the outcome of the process. Ze?ev has said that he is open to the idea of the displacement of Palestinians and Jews being classified retroactively as a "population exchange." Mor Bitan, spokeswoman for Meretz leader Haim Oron, said that her party opposes this course but believes it's a moral imperative that Jews from Arab lands have their grievances addressed. Meretz "does not think that it will be a barrier to the peace process," Bitan said.

Devash views the law as the missing link in the peace process. Back in 2000, President Clinton mooted the idea of establishing an international fund to compensate both Palestinian and Jewish refugees. Devash wants to see such a fund established, and wants Israel, Arab countries and international donors such as the United States to contribute to it.

"It creates in Israel a huge pool of stakeholders in the peace process," he said. "Now you have 2 million to 3 million Israelis who are going to be stakeholders in the process and 4.5 million Palestinian refugees who are also stakeholders."

Devash wants to see Israel adopt the Saudi Initiative, produced by Saudi Arabia and agreed to unanimously by other Arab League members in 2007. The plan would normalize relations between Israel and the Arab world in return for a withdrawal by Israel to pre-1967 borders and a "just settlement" for Palestinian refugees. Devash?s hope is that the new law will lead to Israel demanding the international fund. This would ?help make the Saudi Initiative an initiative that can be accepted by the population of Israel,? he said.

Ada Aharoni, another child of uprooted Jews, considered this hope farfetched. Aharoni, a former Haifa University academic and author of several books on Jews from Arab Lands, said that given the poor economic situation in many Arab countries, any demand for compensation would be "like taking money from a beggar." But she believed that simply raising the profile of what happened will become a "tool for peace" as Palestinians realize that Jews also suffered in 1948.
ocxz

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#35429 Aug 9, 2012
Sheilaa wrote:
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Liar, it is the Palestinians who do not want peace and they have stated it on many occassions. You are one of them so your comments mean NADA
You would probably crave for peace if you had no country, no passport, if you were kept in a ghetto and had to ask permission to travel or import goods, if you could not even go out at sea and fish.

But wait you are a jew and you don't want peace either.
To want peace would mean to allow people to live in a decent way and according to their wishes but that is too much for you to bear.

or is it just your average muslim arab hate attitude.
Don't bother to justify yourself.

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#35430 Aug 9, 2012
ocxz wrote:
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You would probably crave for peace if you had no country, no passport, if you were kept in a ghetto and had to ask permission to travel or import goods, if you could not even go out at sea and fish.
But wait you are a jew and you don't want peace either.
To want peace would mean to allow people to live in a decent way and according to their wishes but that is too much for you to bear.
or is it just your average muslim arab hate attitude.
Don't bother to justify yourself.
I am not a Jew you dickhead. I am a christian who supports Israel and her people.The Palestinians are in a getto because it is their choice. All the money that is given to them from international groups(excluding arab countries) is used for propaganda purposes instead of improving the living conditions. Israel has even built new homes for the Palestinians and the palestinains were threatened that if the moved into them they would be killed. On three occassions Palestinians have had the opportunity of having their own state.THEY HAVE SAID NO!!!!WHY? They want the extermination of the Jews. Stop telling your filthy lies
MUQ

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#35431 Aug 9, 2012
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Whistleblowers Need Our Help – Let's Move on from WikiLeaks Bickering

Entrenched views about Assange mustn't prevent a debate about source protection, accountability and banking blockades

By James Ball

July 11, 2012 "The Guardian" -- There comes a point during many a serious argument where the wisest thing to do is walk away. It's a truth recognised by everyone but carried out by almost no one.

It's also a principle which probably should have been invoked by a huge number of people involved in the interminable arguments around the rights and wrongs of WikiLeaks, Julian Assange and the mainstream media.

The subjects involved are serious: transparency, extradition, fair justice, international law. But the debates themselves are trivial: after 18 months of wrangling in blogs, on social media, and at times in print, only a small rump remain – and their minds are made up. The neutrals moved on long ago.

All that remains is sound and fury – shouting across the barricades. And when you step back, it looks ridiculous.

It took both the mainstream media and WikiLeaks to publish the string of revelations that came out through 2010: teams of experienced journalists pored through the Afghanistan and Iraq war logs.

Newsrooms did extensive, systematic analysis – at one point the Bureau of Investigative Journalism alone had about 20 staff working six or seven day weeks to get as much as possible from the documents. Crews and reporters were sent to the affected countries. Expert reporters were brought to bear, and editors received dire warnings of the potential legal consequences on themselves and their publications for their planned actions.

Similarly, though, WikiLeaks played a vital role – not least as the holder of the information. But a coalition of publishers was not important just for impact – it mattered to make any attempts to injunct or otherwise restrict publication ineffective.

All this makes subsequent mudslinging – based on far more than personality clashes, despite this characterisation – more ridiculous still. The reasons for disagreement were serious. When people's views weren't set, the arguments were worth having. But by now, this is almost certainly no longer the case.

To work at its best, WikiLeaks needs the mainstream media, and the mainstream media can benefit from organisations like WikiLeaks: uncensorable publishers of last resort.

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