MANILA: China to Philippines: Quit Scarborough Shoal

excartpuller wrote:

<quoted text> That's so absurd and ridiculous it is the chinese that jaw jaw everything into their dirty ambition to rule the world and they are trying to start on their smaller neighbors. Fack off chinks.

stitch your mouth pinoy vampire(excartpuller) abroad, 2 good reason for you vampire to stitch your mouth, to keep you quiet and to keep you from sucking oil(blood)

bullying are the fantasy story created by you ignorant vampire who try to suck blood(oil) illegally,

historically, you vampire don't have ownership beyond your international treaty border, so you vampire must contented stay inside your treaty box. don't comes out for trouble.

china own the spratly and scarb technically and historically under international law. china is the first nation to claim the ownership of sprat and scarb. china 9 dash map exist in 1900's when oil was found. you phil vampire didn't claim it until recently.

international law is first come first serve. china is first come, therefore china owns it. china 9 dash political map has exist a century. and for a century time you phil vampire did not oppose it not until recently. so china 9 dash political map stands solid ground historically.

just as your international treaty border also stands solid ground historically, therefore you can not claim beyond just as you wish and break the international law.

Cev wrote:

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Europeans claimed N. America by colonizing the area in the 1600's.
How did China claim PhilippIne territory again in the 1200's??? By staring at it? Lol. Stupid chinese fantasies. All of you are LIARS.

We are liars so how can you do with me?
You are beggar for begging any assistance, no matter who give you, even your former enemies.

convoluted people penoy wormm

LMAO! A stupid fils nuts says Chinese are liars.

You are right fool, you are tellling a truth.

We Chinese are lying you phils's money for us, developing ourselves and making you poorer, that's what we want to see.

We Chinese are lying you phils's resources for us, enriching our reserves, then using for production and selling our cheap goods to you, impacting your domestic market, make your workers lose their jobs. That's what we want to see.

We Chinese resist your bananas, yet you need to import many goods from us, it causes a trade surplus for us, and you will lose a lot of money. That's what we want to see.

So, We Chinese are THE BIGGEST LIARS, we specialize lying you idiots, and benefit ourselves. lol lol lol lol

Where Nationalism Still Matters
Asia’s simmering political tensions defy conventional wisdom.
20 August 2012

Too often, we see East Asia only from an economic perspective, marveling at the undeniable success of China, Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam, and South Korea. Yet these nations have another story to tell, one that owes less to current economic performance than to much older instincts: nationalism and ethnic resentment, the forces that kindled World War I in Sarajevo. Today, those forces underlie disputes in places that we ignore or know nothing about, such as the Senkaku Islands, the Dokdo Islands, and the Spratly archipelago. And those disputes may spark military conflicts between rival Asian countries.

Such thinking goes against the theory that trade must soothe centuries-old enmities, that commerce annihilates even the temptation of war. Isn’t this the lesson of Jean Monnet’s brilliant vision, the European Union? Wars disappeared in Europe when replaced by trade. And Asian countries certainly cooperate with one another commercially; the products that we buy after they’re exported from one Asian country or another are actually composed of pieces that travel from factory to factory in China, Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, and the Philippines.

South Korea’s conservative government, however, has refused any military cooperation with Japan because the Japanese refuse to recognize South Korean sovereignty on two uninhabitable islets halfway between the two countries (known as Dokdo in Korean and Takeshima in Japanese). Each government refers to old treaties and ancient maps to assert its rights, both refuse to enter arbitration, and the matter remains unsettled. Even North Korea supports South Korea in this case—the only area of agreement between the two rivals. In South Korea, Dokdo has become a symbol of resistance to Japanese imperialism. If one points out that such imperialism disappeared in 1945, South Korean politicians and pundits counter that the Japanese soul is imperialist and that Japan’s current government wants to build a nuclear arsenal. In truth, only a few extreme nationalists in Japan harbor that nuclear desire. But now, apparently in response, conservative contenders for the South Korean presidency want to pursue nuclear power as well.

The status of Senkaku (or Diaoyuin, in Chinese), located south of the Japanese archipelago, is likewise unclear. Though these islands are administered by Japan and owned, under Japanese law, by a group of Japanese families, China considers them part of its own empire, and Taiwan also claims them. Chinese vessels constantly patrol near Senkaku, harassing and sometimes sinking Japanese fishing boats. In the Western media, American and European political leaders have focused on the islets’ economic resources, which include fishing zones and possibly gas and oil wells. But if China, Taiwan, and Japan were concerned only with economics, they could find other seas to fish and other wells to drill. The dispute is actually symbolic, motivated by old nationalist feelings and the traditional Asian concern with making one’s adversary lose face. After Chinese vessels rammed Japanese trawlers in 2010, the Japanese government failed to react strongly. This year, the Japanese government is looking for revenge by pushing for the nationalization of Senkaku.

To be continued

Cev wrote:

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Europeans claimed N. America by colonizing the area in the 1600's.
How did China claim PhilippIne territory again in the 1200's??? By staring at it? Lol. Stupid chinese fantasies. All of you are LIARS.

Chinese are colonizing it now... voicing objections to the French and Germans in the 1800s and having 2 naval battles with Vietnam over the area...

these days they are literally building bases on the water...

and

Chinese are fishing in the waters you apes say is yours,

Chinese are drilling in the waters you apes say is yours

Chinese are making bases in the waters you apes say is yours

and you do nothing but talk...

what you need to do is stop wearing tight clothes spending 2 hours a day combing your hair... and get that APE filipino boyfriend of yours to get off his lazy a$$$ and pick up a gun...

because we all know a real Chinese family would not pull you out of school

unless you are a stupid Chinese girl...more prone to rely on her looks rather than brains...

probably got too close to a APE at school so your parents took you out...

since you had bad grades anyways...

btw speaking of tight clothes...

Filipinos are some of the dumbest people in the world...

were talking a tropical country where... the average daytime temperature is around 30 degrees Celsius...

and these apes choose to wear tight jeans...

Dong King Kong wrote:

Where Nationalism Still Matters
Asia’s simmering political tensions defy conventional wisdom.
20 August 2012
Too often, we see East Asia only from an economic perspective, marveling at the undeniable success of China, Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam, and South Korea. Yet these nations have another story to tell, one that owes less to current economic performance than to much older instincts: nationalism and ethnic resentment, the forces that kindled World War I in Sarajevo. Today, those forces underlie disputes in places that we ignore or know nothing about, such as the Senkaku Islands, the Dokdo Islands, and the Spratly archipelago. And those disputes may spark military conflicts between rival Asian countries.
Such thinking goes against the theory that trade must soothe centuries-old enmities, that commerce annihilates even the temptation of war. Isn’t this the lesson of Jean Monnet’s brilliant vision, the European Union? Wars disappeared in Europe when replaced by trade. And Asian countries certainly cooperate with one another commercially; the products that we buy after they’re exported from one Asian country or another are actually composed of pieces that travel from factory to factory in China, Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, and the Philippines.
South Korea’s conservative government, however, has refused any military cooperation with Japan because the Japanese refuse to recognize South Korean sovereignty on two uninhabitable islets halfway between the two countries (known as Dokdo in Korean and Takeshima in Japanese). Each government refers to old treaties and ancient maps to assert its rights, both refuse to enter arbitration, and the matter remains unsettled. Even North Korea supports South Korea in this case—the only area of agreement between the two rivals. In South Korea, Dokdo has become a symbol of resistance to Japanese imperialism. If one points out that such imperialism disappeared in 1945, South Korean politicians and pundits counter that the Japanese soul is imperialist and that Japan’s current government wants to build a nuclear arsenal. In truth, only a few extreme nationalists in Japan harbor that nuclear desire. But now, apparently in response, conservative contenders for the South Korean presidency want to pursue nuclear power as well.
The status of Senkaku (or Diaoyuin, in Chinese), located south of the Japanese archipelago, is likewise unclear. Though these islands are administered by Japan and owned, under Japanese law, by a group of Japanese families, China considers them part of its own empire, and Taiwan also claims them. Chinese vessels constantly patrol near Senkaku, harassing and sometimes sinking Japanese fishing boats. In the Western media, American and European political leaders have focused on the islets’ economic resources, which include fishing zones and possibly gas and oil wells. But if China, Taiwan, and Japan were concerned only with economics, they could find other seas to fish and other wells to drill. The dispute is actually symbolic, motivated by old nationalist feelings and the traditional Asian concern with making one’s adversary lose face. After Chinese vessels rammed Japanese trawlers in 2010, the Japanese government failed to react strongly. This year, the Japanese government is looking for revenge by pushing for the nationalization of Senkaku.
To be continued

who cares...Senkaku is Chinese land... but the Japanese took it so

I say tough shiet...

Taiwan is Chinese land but the people who now call themselves Taiwanese took it

so I say tough shiet..

Mindanao is Muslim land... but the Filipinos Catholic APES control it...

so I say tough shiet..

the Shoal.... I have always maintained is Filipino land...

but the Chinese took it away from you and can take anything it wants from you...

so I say tough shiet.. stupid APES... who cant understand shiet...

arguing with APEs and their 86 IQ....

another reason I left the Philippines... could not stand to be around stupid Filipino APES

RESISTANCE IS FUTILE wrote:

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who cares...Senkaku is Chinese land... but the Japanese took it so
I say tough shiet...
Taiwan is Chinese land but the people who now call themselves Taiwanese took it
so I say tough shiet..
Mindanao is Muslim land... but the Filipinos Catholic APES control it...
so I say tough shiet..
the Shoal.... I have always maintained is Filipino land...
but the Chinese took it away from you and can take anything it wants from you...
so I say tough shiet.. stupid APES... who cant understand shiet...

The article I posted spoke of nationalism.

The author have implied that in this era of using economics as a leverage as well as a deterrent to war, asian countries are moving closer to conflicts by citing nationalism as a justification.

It is tough shiet alright but it is a fact.

Your china has been using this excuse for the longest time and is quite successful in doing so. Might is Right? Correct?

Anyway, what does wearing tight jeans have to do in this forum? Have you ever tried one? The hot weather is not a problem coz we're used to it. So why are you bothered? Must have been your frustration to wear one but unfortunately, it does'nt look good on you.

RESISTANCE IS FUTILE wrote:

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who cares...Senkaku is Chinese land... but the Japanese took it so
I say tough shiet...
Taiwan is Chinese land but the people who now call themselves Taiwanese took it
so I say tough shiet..
Mindanao is Muslim land... but the Filipinos Catholic APES control it...
so I say tough shiet..
the Shoal.... I have always maintained is Filipino land...
but the Chinese took it away from you and can take anything it wants from you...
so I say tough shiet.. stupid APES... who cant understand shiet...

So you own everything asian now eh? Man oh man oh man oh man.

Pilipino ay idiots!

pagbibigay sa iyong claim!

China pagkatalo mo!

diyos pagpalain Tsino!

Dong King Kong wrote:

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The article I posted spoke of nationalism.
The author have implied that in this era of using economics as a leverage as well as a deterrent to war, asian countries are moving closer to conflicts by citing nationalism as a justification.
It is tough shiet alright but it is a fact.
Your china has been using this excuse for the longest time and is quite successful in doing so. Might is Right? Correct?
Anyway, what does wearing tight jeans have to do in this forum? Have you ever tried one? The hot weather is not a problem coz we're used to it. So why are you bothered? Must have been your frustration to wear one but unfortunately, it does'nt look good on you.

That's exactly what their atittude is right now. They are mighty so they must be right. They have economic and military might that they use as weapon against their small poor neighbors. That's what RESISTANCE IS FUTILE mean.

I am Bugger wrote:

Pilipino ay idiots!
pagbibigay sa iyong claim!
China pagkatalo mo!
diyos pagpalain Tsino!

You are the idiotic one.

Using the alias bugger fits you well.

Having a bug-sized brain and not being able to argue intelligently is your dilemma.

Dong King Kong wrote:

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You are the idiotic one.
Using the alias bugger fits you well.
Having a bug-sized brain and not being able to argue intelligently is your dilemma.

LMAO! Walang saysay na tao ay mas hangal kaysa Pilipino.

You are the beggars begging for any assistance from anywhere.

dahil ikaw ay natatakot ng Tsina!! lol lol lol~~

you idiots~~~ tsk tsk tsk~~

excartpuller wrote:

<quoted text> That's exactly what their atittude is right now. They are mighty so they must be right. They have economic and military might that they use as weapon against their small poor neighbors. That's what RESISTANCE IS FUTILE mean.

If only china will use his power for peaceful means and not be a bully, the east asia region would have been at peace.

After all, great powers lies great responsibilities.

China should do his part in maintaining peace and order.

He should walk his talk.

But the problem is.... He could not. He wanted to be somebody whom the world will look up to. He wanted to be like the USA, Britain or perhaps Japan.

Surely, his time will come.

But there's no need to rush things, because haste makes waste.

The years spent on building an image for china will be for naught if he continues in his bullying tactics.

The world never sleeps and any act by a soon-to-be superpower will not be left unnoticed.

I am Bugger wrote:

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LMAO! Walang saysay na tao ay mas hangal kaysa Pilipino.
You are the beggars begging for any assistance from anywhere.
dahil ikaw ay natatakot ng Tsina!! lol lol lol~~
you idiots~~~ tsk tsk tsk~~

Tsk tsk tsk..... I pity your brain. It's making you stupid.

Tsk tsk tsk..... Does your IQ level as high as most chinese posters had claimed to have?

Tsk tsk tsk..... No wonder you all smelled the same. Your intelligence stinks!

Australian wrote:

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Of course Phil think it is not land because it is not belong to Phil. To china it is islands of china, every rocks or lands or ect... are belong to china.
China signatory to the UNCLOS which were
SECTION 2. LIMITS OF THE TERRITORIAL SEA
Article3
Breadth of the territorial sea
Every State has the right to establish the breadth of its territorial sea up to a limit not exceeding 12 nautical miles, measured from baselines determined in accordance with this Convention.
http://www.un.org/depts/los/convention_agreem ...
territorial sea is NOT EEZ, it is IMPOSSIBLE to claim territory with EEZ
S. China Sea - possession is nine-tenth of the law.

Then if China knows the Philippines' claim is weak, then why China rejected to take the issue to the International Court?

China rejects taking dispute to International Court because its claim is so WEAK!

http://www.rappler.com/nation/4058-china-reje...

China has rejected the Philippines' invitation to take the ongoing Scarborough Shoal dispute to an international court, a Chinese state-run newspaper said Thursday, April 19.

“A rejection of such invitation – which is one way of solving this situation diplomatically and peacefully – is actually saying that they are not prepared to validate their claims,” Hernandez said.

The weakness of China’s case explains why it is not prepared to discuss overlapping claims with its regional neighbors as a group, and why it will not submit South China Sea issues to international arbitration under the terms of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea. In the case of the (never inhabited) Scarborough Shoal, its claims would almost certainly be rejected.

China’s consistent refusal to bring its claim to the United Nations International Court of Justice (ICJ) or to the United Nation’s International Tribunal on the Law of the Sea (ITLOS) by itself is a tacit admission that it cannot prove its so called historical claim before a proper neutral court

Australian wrote:

Even USA have no right to force china abandon their territories, what banana men can do? USA trying to do shit thinking at the back, but it not going to work.

How bout China?

China can't even take back Taiwan

can't even grab the Senkaku isands

can't even grab the Spratlys from the Philippines LMAO

C'mon China

Walk the Talk

You've been saying you are going to attack the Philippines LMAO!!!

What happened??

Scared of the US, NATO, and the ASIA-PACIFIC NATO?? LOL

China's military is getting boring

again boring

I wait everyday to see China attack the Philippines

I guess China is really scared....

c'mon

Walk the talk CHINA!

RESISTANCE IS FUTILE wrote:

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lol yeah what ever... I never had a Chinese person beg me for money
like you Austronesian APES do

Are you dreaming?? lol

just look at this video LMAO

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

haha

that's just one of the MANY CHINESE beggars wahaha

To reorient you, MAJORITY of you population is POOR!

again

MAJORITY of you population is POOR!

REMEMBER THAT!