MANILA: China to Philippines: Quit Scarborough Shoal

Apr 18, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Asia News Network

China has asked all Philippine vessels to leave immediately Scarborough Shoal and sent a second aircraft buzzing over the area to scare away Filipino fishermen, officials said yesterday.

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Hey Resistance: Have you checked the cover of the "New York" magazine that's currently in bookstores in North America? It's "Is America Dead?"
ill have to read it... sounds like a interesting read... thanks...
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And let's not forget what the Japanese did to the Chinese time around. The Japanese are superior fighters to Chinese which has been proved time and time again and once the Japs re-arm, the Chinks will be shitting in their pants.
Don't fcuk with the Japs because you'll lose against them.
well thanks for arguing my point for me low IQ Brit...

lets forget the fact that the western powers Including the Brits helped to industrialize and militarize Japanese, while keeping the Chinese weak from the 1830s until the 1930s

Japan just pushed out the 7 other Nations in China...including you Brits

China is doing nothing that has not happened to them in the past and that has not happened in human history

crooked tooth Brits should keep their mouths shut... after having plundered the known world... at the height of their power...
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btw stupid APE
more in the future with cash
to buy up an America that will be 50% cheaper too them...
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PLUS
If the USA were to default on its debt
ANY country foreign or domestic creditor can block any future American debt issuances until THEY THE CREDITOR IS SATISFIED with there debt restructuring...
just look at Argentina who defaulted on their 100 billion government debt...
they were not able to issue new debt for 8 years because holders of just 30 billion of that debt had blocked those new issuances, because of being unsatisfied with their debt restructuring.
you dont want to give China the ability to hold you up in court for 8 years...
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btw, you should also know that National debt you think the USA can default on ...
10 trillion dollars of it is directly or indrectly owned by the american people...
for example... the 2.3 trillion dollar Social Security reserves have a big fat IOU in the form of Government bonds from the US treasury department...
USA country defaults... and im sure thee americans owed 10 trillion dollars would be the first to sue there government...
Hey Racist Chink!

Yeah! Unpeg your yuan to the dollar! That will be a good start! The Americans have been wanting this to happen for a long time and even passed a resolution to press your china to make it happen.

And Wow! How good it would be to finally see how economies around to world will fare against china's miracle power when you do float your yuan? The consequences for china might be minimal considering the size of its economy but the rise in cost would definitely be a factor in current and future FDI's. Nice one Racist Chink!

In case of default, well, the probability is still slim. Drastic federal budget cuts is not yet visible and hence, the said event is still far-fetch. In any case, if and when they decides to implement cuts, social securities, health and education will be the first to feel the crunch. That is a reality and it is being done now, albeit every year regardless of its necessity.

Anyway, a default in interest payments does really have its consequences. They have to pay extra cost just to make it happen. But why go to default when you can have it restructured before maturity?

The case of Argentina is different because their economy then was then crippled by debts. Taxes collected is insufficient to pay off maturing debts as well as make interest payments. Compare to the American economy today, though kinda slow and below expectation, the reality of a default is still not going to happen. The worst scenario will be for them to restructure and raise taxes. Yet still, the possibility of having one is always there.

For goodness sake chink! The US of A have been able to give bail outs in trillions just to save a couple of corporations in 2008 and then you chinks bragged of your trillion? What would have happened to the world if they just let it passed?

Come on chink! The economies of the USA and your china is intertwined and if the USA will fall, your china will fall harder.

The debt as a weapon was first brought up I think in 2010 when the US approved an arms sale to Taiwan, which of course your china opposed. A general floated the idea of using those debts as a leverage and as a weapon to punish the US. But did it prosper? How did the US reacts? Obviously, it did not prosper and the US reacted with a smile. Because they knew for a fact that if the general's wishes were to be granted, its not the US who will take a hit but his china.
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BOTTOM LINE APE
you are all talk...
Chinese are building bases in WATERS YOU APES SAY IS YOURS
Chinese are drilling the WATERS YOU APES SAY IS YOURS
Chinese are fishing WATERS YOU APES SAY IS YOURS
Chinese are sending their warships WATERS YOU APES SAY IS YOURS
do something about it APES... besides talk....
heee heee hooo hooo
Yeah yeah yeah! Talk talk talk! We pinoys are all talk! But what does that makes you? You're a china trash living the Canadian Dream! You should first leave the confines and luxury of living in your adopted country before you speak of war so that we can very well understand you and believe that you can do your part.

You are the one stupid here chinese trash and doing the talk!
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And let's not forget what the Japanese did to the Chinese time around. The Japanese are superior fighters to Chinese which has been proved time and time again and once the Japs re-arm, the Chinks will be shitting in their pants.
Don't fcuk with the Japs because you'll lose against them.
Historically, there were 6 wars fought between China and Japan, in which China won 4.(In one, the Japs won due to a typhoon, not due to their effort). The odds are against the Nips.

China now has enough Nukes today to fry every Nip 3 times. Nice try.
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And let's not forget what the Japanese did to the Chinese time around. The Japanese are superior fighters to Chinese which has been proved time and time again and once the Japs re-arm, the Chinks will be shitting in their pants.
Don't fcuk with the Japs because you'll lose against them.
Remember Singapore? 100,000 Brits and Empire troops (including you Indians) surrendered to 30,000 Japs. That's ass whooping.
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ummm dummies it is the USA trying to get into the Chinese markets these days... China hasent really invested in the USA... except in your soverign debt...
the export markets are dominated by your Multinational AMERICAN corporations.... where the Chinese never really made any money off of exports compared to these multinationals anyways...
must suck to have the world pass by your pathetic lives as LOW IQ retards...
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The New York Democrat wrote that he "sincerely" hopes the friendly deal between China National Offshore Oil Co. and Nexen (TSX:NXY) deal goes through and that Chinese companies continue to invest in the United States.
"But I urge you not to miss this opportunity — the largest foreign acquisition ever by a Chinese company — to hold China to the commitments it has made to provide a level playing field for U.S. companies seeking to access Chinese markets."
Although Nexen (TSX:NXY) is based in Canada, it has offshore holdings in the U.S. Gulf of Mexico and CNOOC said the deal requires approval from regulators in the U.S. Schumer says he expects that means the deal will need the blessing of CFIUS to go ahead.
http://www.globalnews.ca/Health/money/senator...
Ummmmmm I never said you dont have high IQ. WaPo- China's Ministry of Public Security says it has detained nearly 2,000 people in a nationwide crackdown on counterfeit drugs, including some to treat cancer.
See how smart you chinks are. No use contesting with your IQ's.
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The consequences for china might be minimal considering the size of its economy but the rise in cost would definitely be a factor in current and future FDI's. Nice one Racist Chink!
In case of default, well, the probability is still slim. Drastic federal budget cuts is not yet visible and hence, the said event is still far-fetch. In any case, if and when they decides to implement cuts, social securities, health and education will be the first to feel the crunch. That is a reality and it is being done now, albeit every year regardless of its necessity.
Anyway, a default in interest payments does really have its consequences. They have to pay extra cost just to make it happen. But why go to default when you can have it restructured before maturity?
The case of Argentina is different because their economy then was then crippled by debts. Taxes collected is insufficient to pay off maturing debts as well as make interest payments. Compare to the American economy today, though kinda slow and below expectation, the reality of a default is still not going to happen. The worst scenario will be for them to restructure and raise taxes. Yet still, the possibility of having one is always there.
For goodness sake chink! The US of A have been able to give bail outs in trillions just to save a couple of corporations in 2008 and then you chinks bragged of your trillion?
Dumb APE just stop it... you are all talk... and obviously look at only facts that fit in with your low IQ mind...

when the USA defaults on its debt... China will have no choice but unpeg their Yuan too the Dollar anyways...

as for why they have not right now.... and why should they?

they are doing nothing countless other countries are doing with the US dollar being the world reserve currency... pegging their currency to the worlds reserve currency

pretty soon it wont matter anyways as China has stated they will not have a trade surplus by 2014

like you, the retarded Americans need to get it into their thick heads... it isnt about the Currency since the Yuan has appreciated

more than 18% against the US dollar in the last 5 years...

its because Americans have become lazy and make nothing... not unlike you Filipino APES who are lazy and beg for money

China is fast relying on its domestic market... and recently has stated to the USA ... thats its better there is a uneven recovery apposed to a even recession...

all indicators are showing China cant save the world economy but it dosent have to it just needs to save itself...

I heard the same crap spouted out in 2008 when the USA crashed the world markets... China having to shutter 100 thousand factories and 20 million Chinese went out of work...

well China never opened those factories back up...

like it or not by 2018 your american savior will be looking at 1 trillion dollars a year in interest payments on its National debt...

by 2018 medicare cost up to 1 trillion dollars

also by 2018 its Social Security will stop taking in more money than it pays out....thus it will need to dip into its social security reserves, only to find a big fat IOU from the Tresury department

by 2018 China will have gotten rid of its polluting low end manufacturers...

by 2014 it will stop having a trade surplus...

so there will be no need for China to prop up the dollar...

and every reason for the Chinese to let the Yuan appreciate and give its people a stronger Yuan and better buying power, to bolster its domestic economy

there is nothing to smile about when it comes to the USA... dumb walking APE

btw dumb APE yes the USA gave out trillions of dollars, money they dont have and cant pay back...

but then you are a APE from a beggar nation only understand the begging for money part
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Lan Heng Min: uneven recovery in the recession better than the balance

Published: 23:01:39 November 22,2011 Views: 24 Chinese Version

Economic Herald commentator blue Hengmin

Vice Premier Wang Qishan at the 22nd Sino-US Joint Commission, said,'The current global economic situation is still grim, to ensure that economic recovery is the overriding task, uneven recovery is better than the balance of the recession.' Hu had to think In his speech at the G20 summit said, to ensure strong economic growth must be the primary task of the leaders of the world, it can be concluded: strong growth has become China's leaders are most concerned about.

http://www.agile-news.com/news-336528-Lan-Hen ...
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WaPo- China's Ministry of Public Security says it has detained nearly 2,000 people in a nationwide crackdown on counterfeit drugs, including some to treat cancer. They tried to make bogus train tickets in Italy, they cheated casinos in the PH and they are making a fraudulent claim on PH territury.
The chinks has talent for fraud and stealing.

And they tried to steal fish on russain territory. They got high IQ's and they got nerves.
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Last month, I was on BBC World News to discuss the eurozone debt crisis and whether Chinese consumers can make a difference in the world economy. My discussion partner Johathon Holslag from the Brussels Institute of Contemporary China Studies argued that Chinese consumption is still far below its production, and people should not be over optimistic about China rescuing the world economy.

Yes, official statistics show that consumption is only 34 percent of China’s GDP (compared to 70 percent in the U.S.). While the West’s economy is imbalanced with over-spending, the Chinese economy is imbalanced with under-consumption. However, this dynamic is changing. When I travel in China, I can clearly see the consumption boom in China’s large and small cities. Retail has been growing like a wildfire in recent years.

http://www.valuewalk.com/2012/01/china-to-bec...

^ like I said China dosent have to save the world just itself...
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Sorry Grand Sire! But I cannot comment on this post. I have seen the footage and I am in no position to comment. It's a personal thing between him and the network anchors.
As long you are Joe's public, STOP pretending you know enough to answer this!
It needs brain and you haven't got any to begin with? hahahahah

You basically a chinaman pretending to be PINOY low IQ CEV in disguise as Donkey Kong or whatever you wish to call yourself as your comments have NO BEARING on Philippines Politics!
The RICHES merely have to pay you off for their support! Hahahaha
That's your class! I believe Aquino III was funded by the USA precisely for that purpose: TO take away the PINYOY INDEPENDENCE!!!

I also posted that article to show you there NO DIFFERENCES in opinion by people of higher IQ than those low IQ trolling around here posting their NONSENSE! hahahahahah
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And let's not forget what the Japanese did to the Chinese time around. The Japanese are superior fighters to Chinese which has been proved time and time again and once the Japs re-arm, the Chinks will be shitting in their pants.
Don't fcuk with the Japs because you'll lose against them.
With a mindset like that, you probably THINK the WW2 Brits veterans and their families were NOT SODOMIZED, RAPED, TORTURED ands MURDERED by the IMPERIALIST JAPANESE ARMY! Hahahahah

Japanese Soldiers were crying like babies towards the end of the world and your ancestors were slaughtered by the local peasants all over ASIA for being accomplices in the worst crimes against humanities.

How can we blame you unless you checked your own DNA, those rapists could be your grandada!!! The shameful family secret. Now their descendants idolised their penetrators as HERO!!!!

Hahahahah
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WaPo- China's Ministry of Public Security says it has detained nearly 2,000 people in a nationwide crackdown on counterfeit drugs, including some to treat cancer. They tried to make bogus train tickets in Italy, they cheated casinos in the PH and they are making a fraudulent claim on PH territury.
The chinks has talent for fraud and stealing.

And they tried to steal fish on russain territory. They always claim they got high IQ's and they got nerves. Money is all the chinkys have in their minds,
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typing error... too fast

I also posted that article to show you there are a BIG DIFFERENCES in opinion by people of higher IQ than those low IQ trolling around here posting their NONSENSE! hahahahahah
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One of his articles he wrote and he is RIGHT about many thing?

Why I won’t vote for Noynoy?
EMIL JURADO

If we were watching a basketball game, we would now be in the last two minutes. The May 10 elections is only less than two weeks away, and anything can still happen.
Despite what the poll surveys say, I still believe that it is a four-cornered fight among Liberal Party standard bearer Senator Benigno Aquino III, Nacionalista Party standard bearer Senator Manuel Villar, former President Joseph Estrada of the Pwersa ng Masang Pilipino and even administration candidate former Defense Secretary Gilberto Teodoro.

I have been a journalist for over half a century and I have covered elections since as early as the Laurel-Quirino fight. I know for a fact that there are so many imponderable factors in Philippine elections.

These imponderable factors are vote buying (especially in the provinces), cheating in spite of an automated election, command votes, violence, failure of the Precinct Count Optical Scan machines, disenfranchisement of voters, power outages and even the weather. Hence, I would prefer not to predict a winner at this point.

Santa Banana, despite avowals by the Commission on Elections and sectors guarding our ballots, and while I’m hoping for the best, I also know for a fact that old habits die hard. We should also not forget the Golden Rule in Philippine elections—he who has the gold rules!

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The only thing I’m sure of is that I will not vote for Aquino. I’ve cited my reasons so many times before. I will say them again.

First and foremost are perceptions (or rumors) that Noynoy is mentally unstable, having been autistic at an earlier age. He has repeatedly refused to undergo a psychiatric exam if only to prove his critics wrong.

And then, at the age of 26, he reportedly violated the Anti-Graft and Corrupt Practices Act by putting up a security agency (bearing his initials, BSA) with his uncle-in-law Len Oreta. The company cornered contracts with sequestered companies during the incumbency of his late mother President Cory Aquino. If this is not conflict of interest, I don’t know what is.

My gulay, Noynoy even had the gall to list the presidential residence on Arlegui Street as the company’s official address!

And then there are the Hacienca Luisita massacres and the Kamaganak Inc. I was among the latter’s victims. I was co-founder of Erectors Inc.(with the late Transportation Minister Totoy Dans). My investment of P200,000 disappeared into thin air.

The same group which comprised Noynoy’s security agency reportedly grabbed an insurance company owned by a Chinese-Filipino who was accused by the Marcos dictators of something. The group then went on to corner, together with the Government Service Insurance System, all insurance contracts of government firms.

Santa Banana, some people really laughed all the way to the bank. The big scam at the time was the GSIS’ striking an insurance deal with Lloyds of London. Can you imagine the kickbacks that some people must have had?

This is why I can’t stomach voting for the son of Ninoy and Cory.

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Seventh, ancient Chinese texts which mention
the South China Sea islands mention those islands as foreign lands, not
as China’s territories, and do not describe which activities the
authority of ancient China exercised on the islands. Therefore, there is
no proof of China’s jurisdiction over the islands. In the case of
Scarborough shoal, China argued that Kublai Khan’s officials were the
first to map out and to establish jurisdiction over those islands in
1279. However, Kublai Khan was the Great Khan of the Mongol Empire who
conquered China. If any country can inherit Scarborough shoal from
Kublai Khan, it is Mongolia, not China.
In 1279, Kublai Khan’s
officials neither “discovered” nor “established jurisdiction” over
Scarborough shoal because that place was already the historic water and
traditional fishing ground of Filipino fishermen, descendants of the
Austronesian sailors who navigated the South China Sea and populated the
Philippines in 5000-2500 BC. Scarborough shoal was known as “bajio de
Masinloc”, meaning shoal of Masinloc, in a Spanish-made map of the
Philippines in 1734. Masinloc is not a Spanish word and is the name of a
municipality on the Philippines’ main island, confirming that Filipino
fishermen had been to and had named the islands after their own tongue
for centuries.

Eighth, official maps of the Yuan Dynasty and Ching
Dynasty, including but not limited to Da Qing Zhi Sheng Quan Tu
(published in 1862) and Huang Chao Yi Tong Yu Di Zen Du (published in
1894), show that the southernmost extent of China ends at Hainan islands

Finally, the Chinese empire originated on the Yellow
river basin and eventually conquered many lands and peoples, including
Tibet and Sinkiang, which is why China is a multiethnic, multi-languages
country. At the time when China allegedly discovered the South China
Sea islands, China’s border on the mainland was not what it is today,
Tibet and Sinkiang were independent countries of the Tibetans and the
Uyghurs, respectively. If China is serious about its historical claim, it
should return to its historical border on the mainland, return Tibet and
Sinkiang to the Tibetans and the Uyghurs, respectively.

China
knows that her arguments for claiming sovereignty over the South China
Sea and all the islands in that water are baseless, which is why China
refused the Philippines’ invitation to submit the dispute to an
international court.
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An Article from YALE UNIVERSITY

LINK: http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/chinese-hi...

As for claims to the South China Sea and its islands based on visits by fishermen ignore the fact that commerce in that sea, and into and across the Indian Ocean was run by Malay vessels and crews hundreds of years before Chinese mariners and merchants ventured far from their coast. Chinese Buddhist pilgrims to Sri Lanka went on Malay boats via Java or Sumatra. Nearly two thousand years ago Roman merchants brought spice island products from southern India whence they had been brought by Malay and Indian sailors. At much the same time, Malays with 20-meter ships with outriggers were crossing the southern part of the Indian Ocean, settling the huge island of Madagascar and leaving marks in Africa. Even today, after migration from Africa, Arabia and India, Madagascar’s human gene pool is 50 percent Austronesian and its language 80 percent.
The modern states that are the successors of those seafaring, migrant and trading Malays lack – unlike the Chinese – the written records to show their history. Nor is there much local elite awareness in those nations of their histories prior to the arrival of Islam and, very soon afterwards, of European traders and imperialists. But advances in archaeology, in genetics and other sciences which can make up for gaps in written history, are beginning to make the broad Malay world better aware of its past and of its right both to contest Chinese claims and resist further Han expansion into Southeast Asia.

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INTERNATIONAL LAW and CHINA'S Historical Claim

Chinese assertion based on historical claims must be substantiated by a clear historic title. It should be noted that under public international law, historical claims are not historical titles. A claim by itself, including historical claim, could not be a basis for acquiring a territory.

Under international law, the modes of acquiring a territory are: discovery, effective occupation, prescription, cession, and accretion. Also, under public international law, for a historical claim to mature into a historical title, a mere showing of long usage is not enough.

Other criteria have to be satisfied such as that the usage must be open, continuous, adverse or in the concept of an owner, peaceful and acquiesced by other states. Mere silence by other states to one's claim is not acquiescence under international law. Acquiescence must be affirmative such that other states recognize such claim as a right on the part of the claimant that other states ought to respect as a matter of duty. There is no indication that the International community have acquiesced to China's so-called historical claim.

In relation to name giving and maps, name-giving (or names in general) and placing of land features on maps, these are also not bases in determining sovereignty. In International case law relating to questions of sovereignty and ownership of land features, names and maps are not significant factors in the determination of international tribunals' determination of sovereignty.

Under international law, fishing rights is not a mode of acquiring sovereignty (or even sovereign rights) over an area. Neither could it be construed that the act of fishing by Chinese fishermen is a sovereign act of a State nor can be considered as a display of State authority. Fishing is an economic activity done by private Individuals. For occupation to be effective there has to be clear demonstration of the intention and will of a state to act as sovereign and there has to be peaceful and continuous display of state authority, which the Philippines has consistently demonstrated.

Besides when UNCLOS took effect, it has precisely appropriated various maritime zones to coastal states, thus eliminating so called historical waters and justly appropriating the resources of the seas to Coastal States to which said seas are appurtenant.'Traditional fishing rights" is in fact mentioned only in Article 51 of UNCLOS, which calls for archipelagic states to respect such rights, if such exist, in its archipelagic waters.

It should also be noted, that in this particular case, the activities of these so-called fishermen can be hardly described as fishing. The evidence culled by the Philippine Navy showed clearly that these are poaching activities involving the harvesting of endangered marine species which is illegal in the Philippines and illegal under international law, specifically the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora (CITES).

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The Chinese think the older the map, the stronger it is as evidence.

Assuming that the Chinese really have the 1270's map in their possession and presents it as evidence, the document proves the Chinese MAY have discovered the shoal back then and documented it.

But the Philippines is using the 1600's map not for determining who mapped the area first, but to prove that they exercised effective jurisdiction of the area since the1600's.

Some European Maps

1. http://i46.tinypic.com/4kbp1y.jpg - Spain (Treaty of Paris Party)

2. http://i45.tinypic.com/33feyvl.jpg - Spain

3. http://i45.tinypic.com/oqjb6u.jpg - Italy

Who wins the legal battle then when these two evidences are presented? Obviously, the Philippines!

Effective jurisdiction supersedes discovery in any territorial claim.

Chinese historical claims are not recognized under international law.

The 1279 surveying point mentioned in Guo Shoujing's (chinese astronomer) work was actually a place along the coast of central Vietnam NOT the Scarborough shoal.(p.202 of Guo Shoujing pingzhuan, Nanjing University Press, 2003).

How can a 1279 Yuan dynasty map be a basis of today’s claim of territorial ownership? Like what I have pointed out, Italy cannot claim most of Europe today based on Alexander the Great's Roman Empire hundreds of years ago. That is also true with what Gheng His Khan and Napoleon Bonaparte conquered territories in Asia and Europe also hundreds or thousands of years ago.

Again, historical claims are not recognized in international law.

It doesn't matter who can produce the oldest map because old maps do not determine today's boundaries! What's important is that international law (based on international customs and treaties such as UNCLOS) sides with the Philippines. China cannot claim Scarborough as an integral part of its territory or its baseline because Scarborough is a shoal that is INCAPABLE OF SUPPORTING PERMANENT HUMAN SETTLEMENT.

Fact: Chinese historical claim is based on a HOAX. NO Chinese official or scholar have ever identified the specific historical document supporting Beijing's claim. The rest of the world relies on EVIDENCE. All the official Chinese Imperial Maps that I've seen show that the southernmost extent of China ends at Hainan islands.

The Chinese claims they have been fishing there since ancient times. Let me ask you these questions:

Again we are talking about Ancient Times

1. How many weeks or months does it take for a small Chinese fishing vessel without motor and relying on the wind alone to reach Scarborough Shoal or Spratlys and back?

2. What do they fish there and what do they bring back to China after months WITHOUT REFRIGERATION?

3. You don't have enough fish near China that you have to go alllllllllllllllllllll the way to the Philippines to fish huh? Since ancient times???

So funny. Common sense please.

Under international law, fishing rights is not a mode of acquiring sovereignty (or even sovereign rights) over an area. Neither could it be construed that the act of fishing by Chinese fishermen is a sovereign act of a state nor can be considered as a display of state authority. Fishing is an economic activity done by private individuals. For occupation to be effective, there has to be clear demonstration of the intention and will of a state to act as sovereign, and there has to be a peaceful and continuous display of state authority, which the Philippines has consistently demonstrated.

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The historical facts are that the Chinese were latecomers to navigation in the South China Sea and beyond. They were invisible before the Tang Dynasty, and although vast amounts have been written about Chinese expeditions under Admiral Zheng around Asia and across the Indian Ocean to Africa in the early 15th century, these occurred more than a thousand years after Malay seafarers began to cross the Indian Ocean.

When Chinese Buddhist pilgrims like Faxian went to Sri Lanka in the 5th century, they went in ships owned and operated by Malay peoples. Ships from what is now the Philippines traded with Funan, a state in what is now southern Vietnam, 1,000 years before the Yuan dynasty. China makes much of the early 15th century expeditions of Zheng He to the Indian Ocean and Africa. But Indonesians had been crossing that ocean at least 1,000 years earlier, settling in Madagascar, the fourth-largest island in the world. Their twin-outrigger ships enabled quite swift passage across the ocean, and the Indonesians also left their mark on the coast of Africa before being supplanted by Indian and then Arab traders.

“The seafaring history of the region at least for the first millennium of the current era was dominated by the ancestors of today's Indonesians, Malaysians, Filipinos and (less directly) Vietnamese (Austronesian Chams).” This statement at least is supported by current historical and anthropological knowledge.(Victor T. King,“Ethnolinguistic Groups of Southeast Asia,” inSoutheast Asia: A Historical Encyclopedia, from Angkor Wat to East Timor, ed. Ooi Keat Gin, pp. 492-498, Santa Barbara, California: ABC-CLIO, Inc., 2004). known as the Spratlys, Palawan, and up to the Visayas and Manila.

VARIOUS EUROPEAN COUNTIES HAVE ALSO DOMINATED THE AREA LIKE FRANCE, BRITAIN, AND SPAIN. HOW COULD HAVE THE CHINESE MAINTAINED EFFECTIVE CONTIUNOUS JURISDICTION SINCE 1270’s?

Just because China have old maps showing islands and shoals on their ancient maps doesn't mean it is theirs. They identified these shoals and islands as navigational tools. They went through these waters to trade or on their way to trade, not to claim these places as theirs. They needed to identify the shoals and other shallow waters as a warning so that their ships will not go aground.

The tendency of the Communist Party government in China, as elsewhere, to rewrite history to reflect changes in personnel or ideology is well known. Less noticed, however, is the tendency to rewrite national history to justify expansionist foreign policies. The recent stand-off between Chinese and Philippine ships is a case in point.
China’s case as expounded by the Foreign Ministry is one where the only history that matters is Han Chinese. Its claim reads:“It is China who first discovered Huangyan Island” and “drew into China’s map in China’s Yuan dynasty (1271-1368AD)”. This is like Europeans claiming that they got to Australia before the Aboriginals or the Americas before Native Americans.

The weakness of China’s case explains why it is not prepared to discuss overlapping claims with its regional neighbors as a group, and why it will not submit South China Sea issues to international arbitration under the terms of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea. In the case of the (never inhabited) Scarborough Shoal, its claims would almost certainly be rejected.

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