Macedonian leaders hammer out stand in name dispute with Greece

Makedon wrote:

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LIAR,LIAR,LIAR,LIAR,LIAR,LIAR, LIAR,LIAR,LIAR,LIAR
In modern day greece before 1988 there was no region Macedonia, only when it become obvious that the federal republic of Macedina will gain it's independence you've named it and suddenly you've became macedonians
WHY?
There were people living there and you've got something to tell the world about that (changeing them and deporting them)

What about this?
http://www.maps.com/map.aspx...

Makedon wrote:

<quoted text>
LIAR,LIAR,LIAR,LIAR,LIAR,LIAR, LIAR,LIAR,LIAR,LIAR
In modern day greece before 1988 there was no region Macedonia, only when it become obvious that the federal republic of Macedina will gain it's independence you've named it and suddenly you've became macedonians
WHY?
There were people living there and you've got something to tell the world about that (changeing them and deporting them)

You are simply brainwashed to believe bullshit! The region of Macedonia in Greece was always being called Macedonia and its inhabitants always being called Macedonians, like the inhabitants of Crete are called Cretans, the inhabitants of Epirus are called Epirotans and the inhabitants of Thessaly are called Thassalians. There are 3 million people living in the Greek region of Macedonia, many of them with ancestry that goes back at least 3,000 years and they have nothing to apologize to anybody. If you have any grievances against Greece you can bring them up to international organizations. Until then you should just SHUT UP! Clowns!

marina from makedonia wrote:

<quoted text>You from Athens are the Stoned ones.... In Macedonia we have the Virgin Star of the High Sun, in Athens is the Parthenos made of Stone... You are Stoned people... We are the High people...
High Landers....
Vergina Star SUN...http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/Vergina_Sun
Also the newest flag has the SUN, modern SUN...
Don't lie. Greece haven't used the name officially since Alexander the Great concured the world. You always use in Greece Hellenic, never Macedonian. It was a very good hidden secret in Greece, word Macedonia. All the documents were hidden...Untill you discovered the Vergina Star...
Nationalists on both sides subsequently associated the symbol with the (much later) Star of Bethlehem and have argued that their respective communities have used the symbol for sacred purposes before the Vergina discovery in 1977. Macedonian nationalists on both sides of the Greek border knew about the Sun of Vergina...

High level bullshit by a brainwashed monkey!

ZLATKO wrote:

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OF COURSE YUNANISTAN SHOULD PLACE A VETO.BRING IT ON!!!
HOWEVER,THERE IS A CHOICE AND THAT IS CALLED THE UN, WHERE MACEDONIA ONLY NEEDS A 2/3 MAJORITY VOTE TO ACHIEVE THE GOAL,IN WHICH MORE THAN 120 NATIONS HAVE RECOGNISED MACEDONIA.

Don't worry, is coming! You will NEVER become a member of the EU and NATO! Then, you are going to be incorporated into Greater Albania and there will be no problem what your name is. You can be the Macedonia region of Albania! That would be a better solution for you than just be called Macedonia and be outside the EU and NATO because you can't live eating the name Macedonia instead of food!

marina from makedonia wrote:

<quoted text>Bring it on, bting it biring it on Now....
Give me your promising word... VETO
You promise me no Paradise..........
Bring it ON NOW>>>>>> >>>>.........!

Fanatic!!!!!!

Kalinka wrote:

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TOO MUCH GM FOOD IN AMERICA
THAT'S WHY YOUR JUSTICE VALUE IS SICK
MACEDONIA TO THE MACEDONIANS
MACEDONIA IN OUR HEARTS

That's right! Macedonia for the Macedonians. You are not Macedonians, you are Yugoslav Bulgarians! You know your understanding of justice is different than mine because you are a brainwashed child!

Makedon wrote:

<quoted text>
LIAR,LIAR,LIAR,LIAR,LIAR,LIAR, LIAR,LIAR,LIAR,LIAR
In modern day greece before 1988 there was no region Macedonia, only when it become obvious that the federal republic of Macedina will gain it's independence you've named it and suddenly you've became macedonians
WHY?
There were people living there and you've got something to tell the world about that (changeing them and deporting them)

How about this map of Greece from 1922, it shows that the northern part of Greece is called Macedonia, and not only that, but it also shows the original Greek names of some of the town names you changed from Greek within FYROM, like Monastir and Peristeri, just keep looking, I am sure you will find others.

Also notice that the names Lerin, Solun and other irredentist names created during your communist years also don’t exist.

http://www.davidrumsey.com/detail... .

The viewer to zoom into these maps

http://www.davidrumsey.com/view.html

These maps come from neutral sources. The David Rumsey collection contains 15,000+ antique maps, all perfectly scanned in, so you can zoom and see all the details. There are hundreds of antique maps of Greece and the Balkans on this site, please open your eyes, the Greeks and others on this board don’t tell you to go to propaganda websites to find your information, they point you to neutral sites, they tell you to go to the library and read ancient history.

Dimitri showed you a map from 1958, it showed the same thing, Macedonia as the name of the northern region of Greece.

How many times can your people take blows to the credibility of your communist era information like this?

Don’t you eventually start to doubt the information that is being fed to you by your Schools in FYROM, and your propaganda web sites? Do you even have a voice in FYROM to challenge the communist era irrdentism?

Dimitri’s map again

http://www.maps.com/map.aspx...

Makedon wrote:

<quoted text>
LIAR,LIAR,LIAR,LIAR,LIAR,LIAR, LIAR,LIAR,LIAR,LIAR
In modern day greece before 1988 there was no region Macedonia, only when it become obvious that the federal republic of Macedina will gain it's independence you've named it and suddenly you've became macedonians
WHY?
There were people living there and you've got something to tell the world about that (changeing them and deporting them)

Makedonia Newspaper, first published in 1911
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thum...

Society for Macedonian Studies, Thessaloniki, founded 1939
http://www.macedonian-heritage.gr/HellenicMac...

Pan Macedonian Association, founded 1947
http://www.panmacedonian.info/

Macedonian museum of modern art since 30.01.1979.

http://www.mmca.org.gr/el/museum.htm...

Makedonikos FC since 1936.

http://www.makedonikos.com/images/photos/isto...

ARE YOU BLIND? DONT YOU SEE YOU SAY BULLSHITS?
WHAT THEY TOLD YOU IS PROPAGANDA...

The BS is that you are ancient Hellas. You've been killed and destroyed so many times and yet you still exist. And you try to own history from 3-4 defeats ago. We can all dream. Why don't you own the Ottomans, Romans? When you picked the name Greece, Hellas became ancient history and past culture. If the people of central America wanted they can claim to be Mayas, Aztecs, Incas. And north America can claim to be a lot older as well. Your claim to history and your feeling of greekness is dubious. The people in your country are just as mixed as Macedonia. But you suppress the minorities and treat them like monkeys. Now the monkeys have are getting the last laugh. And you will be stripped of all you masks so we can see your real face "faces". Macedonia thanks you for getting the name so much publicity.

GreekHoplite wrote:

Marinaki....
Don't u have another example except from Demosthenis? He was the only politician in Greece with this kind of hate for Macedonian, as many politicians do when they want to fanaticize their people. As your politicians do. Is this the only evidence you have? You are joke. Numerous Athenians politicians hated Spartans. What that supposed to mean? Be educated....(Spit out the hate they have insinuate u for us but consider who is ur real enemy in the balkans. Why all this hate?maybe because you need to form a national conscience...

Oh,... Give me some more hate I need it it makes me sooo strong, it wakes up the LOVE inside oh,./...
BRING IT ON!!!!! VETO....
How much darkness I have suffered, it will soon be changed by BIGER LIGHT!!!!
BRING IT ON!!!
You think ages of darkness and suffering can Bring us down???
We want more....hate to see it how strong it can be ...the HATE inside!!!
BRING IT ON I"M NOT AFRAID!!!
I'm still standing!!! After ages darkness I'm alive!!!

Philadelphian wrote:

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Makedonia Newspaper, first published in 1911
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thum...
Society for Macedonian Studies, Thessaloniki, founded 1939
http://www.macedonian-heritage.gr/HellenicMac...
Pan Macedonian Association, founded 1947
http://www.panmacedonian.info/

Where have you been so long Macedonians, why you left Greece???

American for Justice wrote:

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That's right! Macedonia for the Macedonians. You are not Macedonians, you are Yugoslav Bulgarians! You know your understanding of justice is different than mine because you are a brainwashed child!

I thought you are justice American....but you say Macedonia to the Macedonians not Macedonia to the Greeks....
Face it....!

marina from makedonia wrote:

<quoted text>I thought you are justice American....but you say Macedonia to the Macedonians not Macedonia to the Greeks....
Face it....!

marina ne se raspravai so ovie zivotni, da zive kedonija.

BRING IT ON!!!!! VETO.... YES!!! and after that bring on Albanian discontent.

marina from makedonia wrote:

<quoted text>Oh,... Give me some more hate I need it it makes me sooo strong, it wakes up the LOVE inside oh,./...
BRING IT ON!!!!! VETO....
How much darkness I have suffered, it will soon be changed by BIGER LIGHT!!!!
BRING IT ON!!!
You think ages of darkness and suffering can Bring us down???
We want more....hate to see it how strong it can be ...the HATE inside!!!
BRING IT ON I"M NOT AFRAID!!!
I'm still standing!!! After ages darkness I'm alive!!!

fos27 wrote:

BRING IT ON!!!!! VETO.... YES!!! and after that bring on Albanian discontent. <quoted text>

ti razbiras makedonski, ali si gyptin.

"The BS is that you are ancient Hellas. You've been killed and destroyed so many times and yet you still exist. And you try to own history from 3-4 defeats ago. We can all dream. Why don't you own the Ottomans, Romans? When you picked the name Greece, Hellas became ancient history and past culture. If the people of central America wanted they can claim to be Mayas, Aztecs, Incas. And north America can claim to be a lot older as well. Your claim to history and your feeling of greekness is dubious. The people in your country are just as mixed as Macedonia. But you suppress the minorities and treat them like monkeys. Now the monkeys have are getting the last laugh. And you will be stripped of all you masks so we can see your real face "faces". Macedonia thanks you for getting the name so much publicity."

First of all,Hellas is a name still in use,never stop calling our selfs Hellenes.
In common language when you have to say "We the Greeks" we say "Emeis oi Ellines".
In Macedonia there are not mixed people,there are some people that claim them self as Skopian(how many are they?).Their political party took 6.000 votes in 2004 elections since then they dont use their democratical right to be voted.
The Skopian in Greece are not treated as monkeys as you say.Com e in Greece and look your self,they live like all other Greek citizens,they work for state,they are not poor...
If you say that im lying im challenging you,Skopia is too close come and see yourself otherwise stop saying bullshits..

My family has never called ourselves anything but Macedonians for as many generations I can trace back. No matter where we are displaced to we will not change. Just like you call yourselves Ellas yet you live in Greece. Sooner or later the minorities will turn on you and history will repeat itself.

"Sooner or later the minorities will turn on you and history will repeat itself."

There must be a minority to turn on us,if you believe that ouranio toxo and theirs propaganda its true come on,Greece is so close to Skopia,come and see for yourself...
The political party called ouranio toxo took 6000 votes in 2004 elections and since that,they dont take place to elections and just try to present a great minority that have no right although those people live like all other Greek citizens...
Just come on and see yourself...