No Muslim can think of profaning holy Prophet (PBUH): Altaf

a_to_z_ak wrote:

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chuy
again, i feel like re-telecast/rerun of tv shows.
It seems to me that the only Muslims who speak of tolerance for others ...live here ..in the West
It seems to me that the only Christians who speak of tolerance for others ...live here ..in the East(or some non christian countries)
It seems to me that the only Hindus who speak of tolerance for others ...live here ..in the West(lets say christian dominant country or islamic nation)
regards
ak

well..I suppose European and N.American christians ..can disparage other faiths ....because they fear no reprisals ..but, they (other faiths)are allowed to proselytize .....

bhosdi gandwali moti TIGER ko maine itna pel diya tha ki sala gandu pregnant ho chuka hai...hahahaha.

MUQ wrote:

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Ans.
If an individual refused to pay JIZYA, then it was like any one refusing to pay Govt. Tax or due. It was a civil disobedience and he could face jail term unless he pays back.
If it was a collective refusal by the whole tribe, then it was a one sided breakage of pact and a declaration of war.
Instances of both types are available in Islamic history.

...."MUQ" deserves a ..gold star..by his name ...this is tacit admission of forced conversions ....."MUQ" ..I'm impressed ..you really do have balls ..

a_to_z_ak wrote:

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chuy
again, i feel like re-telecast/rerun of tv shows.

regards
ak

..I've read your posts "a_to_z_ak" ..you "do" watch a lot of T.V.

harminder wrote:

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afghanistan and the aircraft carriers in the arabian sea
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I don't believe these vehicle ...are capable of landing at sea ....but, If the Pakistani military ...pushes to deny us their air fields ....I think ,that just means they want more money ..

why are you laughing bastered he is real prophet you dont no about it 1st you read books about prophet and then talk about it

Deshdrohi MUQ should be forced to pay Hindoo Jizya tax in India....! As a matter of fact all MUQ type katlus should pay Kafur Jaziya tax in Kafur countries !

If they fail their gals should be fkckd infront of their eyes !

Then only these gandoos will learn to behave in a human society without chodampatti sermon of Mohammad !

Bhaag bhosrdi kA ...pura Pakistan teri gaand mein daal doonga !

naqi wrote:

why are you laughing bastered he is real prophet you dont no about it 1st you read books about prophet and then talk about it

Mohammad , the Ideal Prophet By SYED SULAIMAN NADWI (Abridged) Part-13

Lecture 2. The Life of Prophet Muhammad - the Most
Comprehensive and Eternal Model (Contd)

Credentials of Prophet Mohammad for Role Modal to Whole World:



Other Nations and Their Role Models:

Buddhist:

Buddhism was once Asia’s greatest religion which dominated countries like India, China, Afghanistan and the Central Asian countries. It still exists in Burma,Thailand, China and Tibet.

It may be said that in India, the Brahmans wiped it out, and it was eliminated by Islam in Central Asia. Yet, in the Far East it still retains its powerful influence over the people, their governments and their culture, and remains unconquered up to this day.

However, all that power and failed to retain the significant details of Buddha’s life and mission. They cannot satisfactorily answer a biographer’s questions. Buddha’s existence in history is determined through the historical account of the Rajas of Magadh.

That is the only available historical source. It was possible to determine the time of their reign because these rulers had, by chance, established diplomatic relations with the Greeks.

Jewish Prophets:

We get to know Moses (Peace be upon him) from Torah. But the Torah that exists today, according to the writers of Encyclopedia Britannica and some other scholars, came into being several hundred years after the death of Moses (Peace be upon him).

Some German scholars have shown that in the present day Torah there are two different accounts of nearly every episode described in it. They exist side by side, sometimes contradicting each other.

The details of this theory can be seen in the Encyclopedia Britannica under the heading ‘Bible’. This leaves all the events in Torah about Moses or even before him going back to Adam (Peace be upon him) historically unsound and unreliable.

Jesus Christ:

The gospels in the Bible are the descriptions of the life and teachings of Christ (Peace be upon him). But of the many gospels only four are recognized by a major part of the Christian world. The rest, like that of Barnabas are not considered to be authentic.

None of the authors of the four gospels ever met Christ in person. What was their source of information? No one can answer that question. It is even doubtful whether the four were the actual authors of those gospels. It cannot be clearly established in what languages were the gospels written and when they were written.

The time of the authorship of these gospels has variously been given, anything between 60 AD and afterwards, by different scholars of the Bible. Considering Christ’s birth, his death and dogma of Trinity, certain American critics and rationalists now maintain that Christ’s existence is merely fiction, the idea of his birth and that of Trinity is simply retold from Greek and Roman mythologies, because similar ideas about their gods and heroes existed among those nations long before the coming of Christ (Peace be upon him).

Since when collection of Govt. Dues is synonymous with forced conversion?

I fail to realize where these people leave their head, collecting Income Tax dues would also amount for people to "forcibly convert to the religion of Secularism"?

Question:

Does Islam require people of other faiths to pay money to support the Muslim religion?

Summary Answer:

Absolutely. Muhammad very clearly established that people of other religions have to pay a poll tax to Muslims called the jizya, as a reminder of their inferior status. This abrogates an earlier verse stating that there is "no compulsion in religion" and destroys any pretense that Islam is merely a religion and not a political system.


The Qur'an:

Qur'an (9:29)- "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth,(even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

From the Hadith:



Muslim (19:4294)- There are many places in the hadith where Muhammad tells his followers to demand the jizya of non-believers. Here he lays down the rule that it is to be extorted by force: "If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them"



Bukhari (53:386)- The command for Muslims to spread Islamic rule by force, subjugating others until they either convert to Islam or pay money, is eternal: Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, has ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah Alone or give Jizya (i.e. tribute); and our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says:-- "Whoever amongst us is killed (i.e. martyred), shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever amongst us remain alive, shall become your master." This is being recounted during the reign of Umar, Muhammad's companion and the second caliph who sent conquering armies into non-Muslim Persian and Christian lands (after Muhammad's death).



Ishaq 956 & 962 - "He who withholds the Jizya is an enemy of Allah and His apostle." The words of Muhammad.



Additional Notes:

According to the esteemed historian Ibn Kathir, Muhammad established the jizya as a means of compensating the "converted" Meccans for their loss of revenue following the total ban of other religions from the Kaaba. This ended the centuries-old tradition of pilgrimages by people of all faiths during the holy months, on which the local economy depended:

Allah, most high, ordered the believers to prohibit the disbelievers from entering or coming near the sacred mosque. On that,[Muhammad's home tribe of]Quraysh thought that this would reduce their profits from trade. Therefore, Allah, most high, compensated them and ordered them to fight the people of the Book until the embrace Islam or pay the jizya. Ibn Katheir, The Battles of the Prophet, p. 183-184


This practice enabled Muhammad and his successors to fund Islamic military expansion and the lifestyle of the religious class through extortion from non-believers. In 630, the prophet of Islam first marched an army into Christian lands in what came to be known as the "Battle of Tabuk." In fact, there was no battle because there was no opposing army. The residents were taken by surprise. Some were killed, and the survivors were forced to pay "protection" money to Muhammad.(Clearly abrogating the previous rule of "no compulsion in religion" that contemporary apologists are so fond of repeating).

This practice enabled Muhammad and his successors to fund Islamic military expansion and the lifestyle of the religious class through extortion from non-believers. In 630, the prophet of Islam first marched an army into Christian lands in what came to be known as the "Battle of Tabuk." In fact, there was no battle because there was no opposing army. The residents were taken by surprise. Some were killed, and the survivors were forced to pay "protection" money to Muhammad.(Clearly abrogating the previous rule of "no compulsion in religion" that contemporary apologists are so fond of repeating).
Only eleven years after Muhammad's death, his companions swept through North Africa, putting to the sword those who would not submit to Islamic rule. In 643, Tripoli was conquered and the native Christian Berbers were forced to give their wives and children to the Muslims as slaves to satisfy the jizya.
This lucrative extortion racket was practiced down through the centuries and was a part of the brutal Ottoman rule over Christians, Jews and others. The Serbs of Europe were particularly hard hit and often had to hand over their children to satisfy the collector. The children were then converted to Islam and trained as Jihad warriors for use in foreign campaigns (the so-called Janissaries).
In India, well into the 17th century, Muslim tax collectors would also take the wives and children of impoverished Hindus and sell them into slavery for the jizya requirement. The only way for many to avoid losing their families was to convert to Islam. This tremendous discrimination is how Islam made inroads into populations that wanted nothing to do with it.
Technically, there is no such thing in Islam as an innocent non-Muslim, which makes those ballyhooed condemnations of "terror against innocent people" even more useless. There is a basis for protecting the "People of the Book" (originally Jews and Christians, but later extended to Hindus when Muslim leaders realized that killing them was not as profitable as taxing them). These would be those who place themselves completely under the rule of Muslims, relinquishing all rights and agreeing to finance the Muslim expansion. Unfortunately, even this has not been enough to spare religious minorities from extreme persecution and massacre.
Traditionally the collection of the jizya occurs at a ceremony that is designed to emphasize the subordinate status of the non-Muslim, where the subject is often struck in a humiliating fashion. M.A. Khan recounts that some Islamic clerics encouraged tax collectors to spit into the mouths of Hindu dhimmis during the process. He also quotes the popular Sufi teacher, Shaykh Ahmad Sirhindi:
"The honor of Islam lies in insulting the unbelief and the unbelievers (kafirs). One who respects kafirs dishonors Muslims... The real purpose of levying the Jizya on them is to humiliate them...[and] they remain terrified and trembling." Islamic Jihad
The Qur'an makes it clear that the collection of jizya is is the ideal relationship between Muslims and non-Muslims. The verse mandating this (9:5) occurs much later than the verse stating that there is "no compulsion in religion" (2:256), meaning that it takes precedence and abrogates what came before. Therefore, Islamic purists such as Hamas and the Taliban wish to reinstate the jizya.
Contemporary Muslim apologists rely greatly on the earlier "no compulsion in religion" verse when attempting to portray Islam as peaceful, and are thus reluctant to admit that the jizya is a penalty for not being Muslim. They usually fall back on claiming that the jizya is merely a tax paid to the government - glossing over the fact that this "tax" was imposed on the basis of religious status and was nearly always a much greater burden than that required of Muslim citizens. The interesting thing about this rhetorical strategy is that it directly contradicts any pretense that Islam is merely a religion and not a political system.

MUQ wrote:

Since when collection of Govt. Dues is synonymous with forced conversion?
I fail to realize where these people leave their head, collecting Income Tax dues would also amount for people to "forcibly convert to the religion of Secularism"?

Oh...my mistake I did not know Muslims "also" had to pay Jizya...thank-you "MUQ" for this insight, my apologies ...

SANTA-BANTA wrote:

This practice enabled Muhammad and his successors to fund Islamic military expansion and the lifestyle of the religious class through extortion from non-believers.

..WOW.."SANTA BANTA" ...I think you're one of the smartest people here ..........I like you ....

naqi wrote:

why are you laughing bastered he is real prophet you dont no about it 1st you read books about prophet and then talk about it

which is a bigger threat to your nation ..the Indians or the Taliban ....(are you allowed to say ?)

chuy wrote:

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..WOW.."SANTA BANTA" ...I think you're one of the smartest people here ..........I like you ....

Thanks sir, but I am not. I am only copy pasting.
But to expose blatantly lying apologists I am ready to take this blame.

I have shown by many examples and views of leading Islamic scholars that JIZYA is not just another tax but a tool for subjugation and humiliation of KUFFAR.

I particularly remember late Dr. Israr Ahmed of Papistan talking about Jizya. He used to say in public lectures," HATHON SE JIZYA ADA KARO AUR CHHOTA BAN KE RAHO" (Pay jizya with your hands and belittle yourself), his voice raised, his eyes shining with joy at the thought of belittling and humiliating kuffar.

Prior to this I had no hard feelings for Islam or muslims, but after listening to this shameless mulla I started to despise Islam and those muslims who think like that.

Hope my Kuffar brothers won't fall for lies of apologists any more.

MUQ should pay Kafur Jaziay to Bhopali Government towards confirming that he believes in Chodu-Maharaj Mohammad and inferior to rest of Bhopali !

MUQ is an useless Katlu Budhdha..jiska jhant ka baal paak kaar jhard raha haey paar wou bhund marwaney ki hawas bhi pagal haey !

Muslims had to pay much more than "JIZYA" they had to pay ZAKAT, which was much more than the highest JIZYA ever paid by any Non Muslim under Islamic rules.

Then Muslims had to pay for any additional levies that Govt. might need from time to time, and then Muslims had to take part in the defense of nation and go out and fight.

Non Muslims ONLY had to pay a token amount as JIZYA only once per year....

And then our so caleld Scholars think that Islam put these Non Muslims under so much economic pressure that they felt becoming Muslim is the only way out.

Who can argue and who can reason with such people.... and what about these Non Muslims, what was the value of their religion? They would sold out their religion for a small amount to be paid yearly? If they hold their religion in this light, it means that they had no religion at all.

And that was the true reason why so many Non Muslims accpeted Islam, seeing its way of living and its justice system and its social system.