Bulgarian MEP Slams Macedonia for Misguided Nationalism

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Nikas wrote:

"You cannot build a national identity by encroaching upon the identity, culture and history of other nations," stated Kovatchev at the EP.
Agreed. Perhaps with time our neighbours and the rest of the world will finally get it why we will never recognize them as "Macedonia".

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Dojran wrote:

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Which identity,culture and hisory was he refering to?
And the rest of the world did get it and recognized Macedonia as it should.

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Nikas wrote:

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Obviously the Bulgarian one you share with your neighbours. As for the rest of the world, if for convenience sake they want to recognize you as "Macedonia" that's their prerogative, however we never will, and should the day come when their interests could be impacted by it, they will not stand by you. As for the true Macedonians, those that reside in the true Macedonia, they would never spit on the memories of the only Macedonians, the ones who spread Greece everywhere they trod, we would never dream of recognizing those that came a thousand years later to uproot and destroy their descendants. It would be like not only letting the thief walk away scot free, but having them take your job and home too.
Message to Skopje
‘Your claim to the name “Macedonia”
Could scarcely be flimsier or phonier
If you want an old name
For your state, what a shame
Not to bring back the real one, Paeonia’.
Patrick Leigh Fermor

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Dojran wrote:

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We never said that we are bulgarian and never claimed anything bulgarian it is vice versa, they claim everything from us so it is they who are trying take someone elses identity and not have it but to distroy it.
And yes it is our prerogative and we stand by it... we are not to bothered about your recognition it is your problem not ours.
Tell me something when was Macedonia ever a part of a country called greece prior to 1913 partion?
Please do tell I am waiting with great antisipation:)

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Nikas wrote:

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It is our problem indeed, we are the one's being victimized by a pick pocket that everyone knows is doing the rounds, but as long as their wallet is safe they don't care. Nonetheless, the Macedonians are resolute and we will continue to ensure we protect our heritage from those who would seek to steal it.
I will allow the most famous of Macedonians to answer you regarding where they felt Macedonia belonged. Be assured that he, a true Macedonian, was quite clear and really needs no explanation:
"Your ancestors came to Macedonia and the rest of Hellas and did us great harm, though we had done them no prior injury. I have been appointed leader of the Greeks, and wanting to punish the Persians I have come to Asia, which I took from you&#8230;"
Arrian, "Anabasis Alexandri", II, 14, 4
"Our enemies are Medes and Persians, men who for centuries have lived soft and luxurious lives; we of Macedon for generations past have been trained in the hard school of danger and war. Above all, we are free men, and they are slaves. There are Greek troops, to be sure, in Persian service - but how different is their cause from ours! They will be fighting for pay - and not much of at that; we, on the contrary, shall fight for Greece, and our hearts will be in it. As for our foreign troops - Thracians, Paeonians, Illyrians, Agrianes - they are the best and stoutest soldiers in Europe, and they will find as their opponents the slackest and softest of the tribes of Asia. And what, finally, of the two men in supreme command? You have Alexander, they - Darius!"
Arrian, "Anabasis Alexandri", II, 7
As for those such as you who attempt to steal our Macedonian heritage, this is why we will never allow it. Although I am only speak metaphorically now, you should get the drift:
"Aetolians, Acarnanians, Macedonians are united and disunited by slight and purely temporary causes; with foreigners and barbarians, all Greeks ever have been and ever will be at war. For they are our enemies by nature, and nature is unchanging; their hostility is not due to causes which vary from day to day."
You see? We are the Macedonians, you are the "barbarians" (figuritively; not literally of course). How is it you truly believe otherwise?

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mr large wrote:

macedonia was always part of greece since antiquity. 1913 was the culmination of 400 years of ottomen oppression. better question is when did the slavs ever have a country called macedonia. you idiots talk as if you controlled a nation called macedonia before 1913. guess what greeks were a majority back then. don't worry gruevski and ivanov have so pissed off the west that soon you will be bulgarians or serbs.

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Dojran wrote:

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Really?! how so, come on do tell how was it part of the country greece prior to 1913?
You see many of your countrymen and women did admit to the truth lets see if you can:-)

Nikas wrote:

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Obviously the Bulgarian one you share with your neighbours. As for the rest of the world, if for convenience sake they want to recognize you as "Macedonia" that's their prerogative, however we never will, and should the day come when their interests could be impacted by it, they will not stand by you. As for the true Macedonians, those that reside in the true Macedonia, they would never spit on the memories of the only Macedonians, the ones who spread Greece everywhere they trod, we would never dream of recognizing those that came a thousand years later to uproot and destroy their descendants. It would be like not only letting the thief walk away scot free, but having them take your job and home too.
Message to Skopje
‘Your claim to the name “Macedonia”
Could scarcely be flimsier or phonier
If you want an old name
For your state, what a shame
Not to bring back the real one, Paeonia’.
Patrick Leigh Fermor

PHILIP THE MACEDONIAN wrote:

<quoted text>Goce Delcev:We are Bulgarians!
Dame Gruev:We are Bulgarians!
Yane Sandanski:We are Bulgarians!
Krste Misirkov:We are Bulgarians!
Boris Sarafov:We are Bulgarians!
Atanas LOZANTCHEV:We are Bulgarians!
Nikola Karev:We are Bulgarians!
Todor Aleksandrov:We are Bulgarians!
What are you fake Fyromian?

Dojran wrote:

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Really?! how so, come on do tell how was it part of the country greece prior to 1913?
You see many of your countrymen and women did admit to the truth lets see if you can:-)

Dojran wrote:

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LMAO were you there when this was said?
Now to my question you deliberatly avoided and went into copy paste of an aparant chat.
I ask again when was Macedonia part of a country called greece prior to the partion in 1913?
Please do tell in your own words:)

mr large wrote:

macedonia was always part of greece since antiquity. 1913 was the culmination of 400 years of ottomen oppression. better question is when did the slavs ever have a country called macedonia. you idiots talk as if you controlled a nation called macedonia before 1913. guess what greeks were a majority back then. don't worry gruevski and ivanov have so pissed off the west that soon you will be bulgarians or serbs.

Nikas wrote:

"You cannot build a national identity by encroaching upon the identity, culture and history of other nations," stated Kovatchev at the EP.
Agreed. Perhaps with time our neighbours and the rest of the world will finally get it why we will never recognize them as "Macedonia".

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Dojran wrote:

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We never said that we are bulgarian and never claimed anything bulgarian it is vice versa, they claim everything from us so it is they who are trying take someone elses identity and not have it but to distroy it.
And yes it is our prerogative and we stand by it... we are not to bothered about your recognition it is your problem not ours.
Tell me something when was Macedonia ever a part of a country called greece prior to 1913 partion?
Please do tell I am waiting with great antisipation:)

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entatiki wrote:

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Then why are FYROMians by the hords applying for Bulgarian passports???
When was Macedonia ever a part of ANY country prior to 1913??? If you look at ANY period from BC up until 1913 AD, the Greeks were ALWAYS THE MAJORITY in Macedonia.(Even without the Greek immigrants from Asia Minor). Let alone the history, relics, and ancient findings, ALL IN GREEK.
Your kindred arrived in the area 1000 years AFTER Alexander. Was there ever a nation called Macedonia during this period?