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Deanstreet

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Ricardo wrote:
Ask yourself why the UK does not discuss anymore about historical legal rights and only talks about self determination
The UK does not live in the past...

Kindest regards from the Falkland Islands
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Deanstreet wrote:
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The UK does not live in the past...
Kindest regards from the Falkland Islands
Wisely, since the Past condemns it.
Justice is based on past facts
Erasing the past is always a goal for the guilty
Fortunately, yhat is impossible.
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Ricardo wrote:
This guy Braedon insists with "legal" arguments that not even the UK has raised officially ever for good reasons
Maybe because it is argentina which spends every waking hour screaming about the "injustice" of having been unable to violently subjugate the Falklands as you did with every inch of argentina. It is the duty of whomever alleges injustice to take it to the relevant court, and seeing how argentina has never done this throughout the entirety of the ICJ's existence, it seems clear your government is well aware of just how weak your pathetic claim is
Ricardo wrote:
The guy knows shit and yet speaks as an "expert"
But his insults and lowlife language betray him as the pathetic troll he is
Awww, is another crybaby upset that I mentioned some basic truths about your "heros"?

Sorry, but I see no reason to show any respect for those who still scream about the "unfairness" of the fact they were unable to violently subjugate thousands of innocent islanders.

Fascist worshiping pussies like your veterans perfectly demonstrate full well your nation's sickening contempt for basic human rights of those in the way of your pathetic delusions of grandeur, as well as your utter cowardice when faced with an enemy which can fight back. The fact you worship them as heroes makes you wholly worthy of my amused contempt
Ricardo wrote:
Poor idiot talks constantly about the ICJ while the UK would not go to any court under any circumstances. The Foreign Office is well aware that they have no legal case.
Apart from twice in the 60s which argentina promptly ran away like a coward, and despite several offers since 1945 you have continued to act with characteristic spinelessness in fleeing any chance of showing your case to an actual court.
Ricardo wrote:
So keep digging in history trying to find a pearl, moron...nobody is paying attention
That well is dry for the UK
Exactly, no one cares about your third world shithole's pathetic obsession with our territory. That's why not one single nation has taken any economic, diplomatic, political, military or financial measures against the UK or the Islanders, unless you count that hilariously failed "blockade" against the Islanders a measure (despite all nations involved instantly telling the islanders that it was purely symbolic)
Ricardo wrote:
Ask yourself why the UK does not discuss anymore about historical legal rights and only talks about self determination (which has no legal basis either but has an emotional appeal on uninformed people)
As i said before, why do we need to? it is argentina's duty as it whines like a bitch about injustice, to take the case to court. As your nation lacks the spine to do so we can happily ignore you like the sad little joke that you are.

But by all means, provide the legal sources (ICJ/UN statute, ICJ precedents, UN charter articles) and historical sources to prove me wrong
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Maybe because it is argentina which spends every waking hour screaming about the "injustice" of having been unable to violently subjugate the Falklands as you did with every inch of argentina. It is the duty of whomever alleges injustice to take it to the relevant court, and seeing how argentina has never done this throughout the entirety of the ICJ's existence, it seems clear your government is well aware of just how weak your pathetic claim is
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Awww, is another crybaby upset that I mentioned some basic truths about your "heros"?
Sorry, but I see no reason to show any respect for those who still scream about the "unfairness" of the fact they were unable to violently subjugate thousands of innocent islanders.
Fascist worshiping pussies like your veterans perfectly demonstrate full well your nation's sickening contempt for basic human rights of those in the way of your pathetic delusions of grandeur, as well as your utter cowardice when faced with an enemy which can fight back. The fact you worship them as heroes makes you wholly worthy of my amused contempt
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Apart from twice in the 60s which argentina promptly ran away like a coward, and despite several offers since 1945 you have continued to act with characteristic spinelessness in fleeing any chance of showing your case to an actual court.
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Exactly, no one cares about your third world shithole's pathetic obsession with our territory. That's why not one single nation has taken any economic, diplomatic, political, military or financial measures against the UK or the Islanders, unless you count that hilariously failed "blockade" against the Islanders a measure (despite all nations involved instantly telling the islanders that it was purely symbolic)
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As i said before, why do we need to? it is argentina's duty as it whines like a bitch about injustice, to take the case to court. As your nation lacks the spine to do so we can happily ignore you like the sad little joke that you are.
But by all means, provide the legal sources (ICJ/UN statute, ICJ precedents, UN charter articles) and historical sources to prove me wrong
I am done, man, you have been told all you needed, to acknowledge or not is your business.
When this conflict ends, I will go to the Islands to have a beer with Deanstreet and all you guys if you appear
First round on me.
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You mean the uninformed (and inconsequential) opinions of individuals over 100 years after 1833? I am aware that as a delusional third world shithole, your education system must be beyond appalling, but do try to keep up.
The only sources which could prove your claims, or disprove my arguments, are the ones which were created at the time of the relevant incidents (1833, 1850 etc.)
so far not a single argentine has provided a single historical source. Which makes it all the more clear of just how utterly pathetic you claim is.
Now if you have a problem with that, then kindly provide the historical sources (from the time of relevant events and yeas like 1833, not 100 years afterwards) which utterly demonstrate that
a) Britain directly and officially renouncing it's claim on the Falklands before 1833
b) Spain having full and uncontested sovereignty over the Falklands before argentine independance
c) the Falklands being an integrated part of argentina... despite Spain having utterly seperated it's claim on the Falklands from argentina, as evidenced by spain having a seperate governor for both argentina and the Falklands
d) Jewett having been ordered to carry out an official claim on the Falklands on behalf of argentina, which argentina's government verified on his return
e) Vernet had zero dealings with the British government
f) all of Vernet's settlers were expelled in 1833
g) argentina did not renounce pretenses of sovereignty in 1850... despite having officially stated "it had no dispute with the UK on any issue"
are all 100% true.
Plus you will have to cite the legal precedents and statutes which show
a) the Islanders have zero right to self determination, despite it being conferred upon them by the UN charter, the ICJ mandates and precedents, and the universal declaration of human rights.
b) why Britain's taking the Falklands was somehow "illegal" while argentina's infinitely more brutal conquest of every one of it's current territories was somehow "legal".
c) that the Falklands, despite never having been an integrated or vital part of argentina in it's entire history, are somehow "integral" to argentina's existance
Could you stop replying to that vernet guy please?

If you stop replying it might mean he stops posting and we all won't have to waste time every day scrolling past his cut and paste bullshit.

I truly don't understand why you would go to the bother of translating it.

“Fly low, fly fast.”

Since: Apr 07

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I can read wrote:
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Those guys get about £211 a month.
Plus council tax, council rent etc paid for them.
Argie

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#385
Apr 23, 2012
 
Braedon

Tus fuentes y argumentos no son NADA, los mejores expertos que lleva Gran Brertaña a los foros internacionales no han podido con sus argumentos refutarles, ni hacerles pasar verguenza a ningún canciller argentino que pasaron por allí desde hace 47 años.

1833 y 1850:

El últimatum de Onslow de 1833 no te dice nada?
El arriamiento de la bandera argentina por parte de Los invasores ingleses tampoco te dice nada?
El cambio de autoridades tampoco te dice nada?
La gente que habitaba en Malvinas, en que documento firmaron que estaban conforme con la nueva administración? etc. etc....

En 1834, Rivero y sus 7 compañeros no fueron expulsados de las islas por los invasores ingleses? eran los habitantes más antiguos de las islas, llegados en 1826.

Ningún británico más experto que vos se a animado en los foros internacionales como en las Naciones Unidas mensionar sobre el tratado de 1850 para acabar con el reclamo argentino.

Lea a Eugenio A.L.Ravenal,a Bonifacio del Carril, entre otros expertos en el tema.

Como le dije anteriormente, sus argumentos y fuentes ya fueron usados por otros británicos en nuestros foros y en foros británicos y fueron refutados por gente que tienen mucho conocimiento sobre el tema Malvinas.

Tambien nuestra gente les refutaron punto por punto el trabajo sobre Malvinas de los autores Graham Pascoe y Peter Pepper: http://www.zonamilitar.com.ar/foros/

Si se anima usted, puede probar llevándo todo otra vez haber si tiene suerte en este foro, por ejmeplo ZM: http://www.zonamilitar.com.ar/foros/

Ustedes que dicen tener la razón, pero hasta ahora nunca han demostrado NADA, todas sus mentiras han sido refutadas.

Usted actua evidentemente con mala fe no busca la verdad, solo busca ganar tramposamente un debate.
Ricardo

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Apr 23, 2012
 
I can read wrote:
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Could you stop replying to that vernet guy please?
If you stop replying it might mean he stops posting and we all won't have to waste time every day scrolling past his cut and paste bullshit.
I truly don't understand why you would go to the bother of translating it.
This just confirms that you are only here for trolling
To enter a Forum determined not to read posts is just that
Go fight to a pub or something
francisco

Federal, Argentina

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Apr 23, 2012
 
Ricardo no pierdas de vista que Braedon es un gran troll....

Abrazo
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Ricardo wrote:
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This just confirms that you are only here for trolling
To enter a Forum determined not to read posts is just that
Go fight to a pub or something
So if I went onto an argentinian forum and repeatedly spammed the same crap in English, anyone who didn't go to the bother of translating it would be a troll?

Is there anything you argies DON'T have double standards on?
francisco

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#389
Apr 23, 2012
 
No hace falta....

Ustedes ya dicen la misma basura aqui en su propio idioma.

:-D
Malvinense1

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#390
Apr 23, 2012
 
allymac wrote:
<quoted text>How many argie draft dodgers are with you in Canada?Do you ever think of going back to your homeland?
No they aren't many Argentinians.The brits are far more,on the millions....Now there are Chinese,East Indians,etc..
Luis Vernet

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Apr 23, 2012
 
supersonic boom wrote:
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Mrs. T may be suffering now, but when you took the Falkland Islands by force she was the toughest woman in the world. She certainly knew how to whip your arses.
Por supuesto que supo. Fué corriendo a pedirle ayuda a su hijo dilecto, como siempre.
Con semejante respaldo, hasta yó me hago el macho.
Atte.,
Luís Vernet.
Luis Vernet

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Apr 23, 2012
 
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So to clarify your point:
Argentinaians kill 300,000 native americans and take over their land and that's fine.
If argentinaians killed 3,000 falkalnd islanders to take over their land that would be fine.
When British people reaffirmed their ownership of their land from 150 Argentinian squatters but didn't even evict them, that was piracy?
Might I suggest you might be ever so slightly biased?
Como se te ocurre que vamos a matar a 3000 malvinenses, si para la Constitución de la Nación Argentina los malvinenses son ciudadanos Argentinos.
Como se te ocurre que le vamos a robar la tierra, si somos todos Argentinos.
Todo ciudadano Argentino, tiene la libertad de transitar el territorio sin impedimento alguno. Como así también a ejercer libremente la profesión que decida, como a ser propietario del lugar que habita, trabaja, etc., etc.,
Respetando las leyes vigentes de la nación que lo cobija.
En el caso de nuestras Islas Malvinas, la nación a la cual le deben respeto y fidelidad se llama República Argentina.
Los ciudadanos de nuestras Islas Malvinas que no respeten dichas normas entrarán en la ilegalidad y serán sometidos al rigor de las leyes vigentes.
Como ocurre en toda sociedad civilizada. En la tuya ¿no ocurre así?
A no sierto, me olvidaba de que le estoy preguntando a un Pirata(Británico)preguntarle esto a alguien como vos es como preguntarle a Hitler si crée en la condición humana.
Finalmente la única tierra por la cual pueden reclamar propiedad alguna es la que se ubica geográficamente en Europa.
Jamás tendrán nuestra conformidad. Mientras no se reintegre la soberanía, sobre los territorios usurpados por Piratalandia(Gran Bretaña)a nuestro país, este diferendo continuará. Y los pobres, perdón hoy ricos gracias al producto del latrocinio de nuestros recursos naturales, habitantes de nuestras Islas Malvinas, territorios y mares adyacentes, seguirán siendo para el concierto de las naciones civilizadas, unos párias sin patria ni bandera.
Atte.,
Luís Vernet.
Luis Vernet

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Bullshit.
1982 Fatima Whitbread would have kicked 1982 Thatchers' ass.
Now if you'll excuse me I have to go wash my imagination out with soap.
Y yó tengo un tío en el Chaco.
No entendí un pomo ¿que quisite decir?
Atte.,
Luís Vernet.
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unprovoked you provoke big powers, you better learn the hard way!
Luis Vernet

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Apr 23, 2012
 
Jake Rockwell wrote:
Everything that could be said, has been said here. It will change nothing.. The Falkland Islands will remain British as long as the people there wish to.
The economy here seems to be doing well at the moment, much better than 300 miles away where they are nationalizing oil companies!
It is hard to see the people of the Falkland Islands ever wanting to be part of Argentina after they were attacked also.
Están tan bien como un cobayo en su jaula.
Son alimentados hasta la hora del experimento, después son descartados.
Y sí, pareciera que todo está dicho y que la única verdad es la realidad. Pero sabés una cosa en 1965 nuestro país logró que para la ONU estos territorios sean reconocidos como territorios bajo disputa de soberanía entre el Reino Unido de Piratalandia(Gran Bretaña) y la República Argentina. Ya nó como territorio Pirata(Británico)de ultramar ni tampoco como una colonia Pirata(Británica)ése fué el logro más importante en 132 años de usurpación y despojo. Como resultado de dicho reconocimiento la ONU viene intimando a los dos gobiernos en disputa a sentarse a tratar el tema lo antes posible para terminar con dicha anomalía.
Nada habla de la voluntad de los isleños, sí del respeto hacia ellos en lo humano pero nó de su intención de mutilar a una nación autoproclamándose ciudadanos independientes ó de alguna de los dos naciones en disputa.
Nada dice...ya que nó les dá entidad en este tema por ser una población transplantada con el único propósito de quebrantar la integridad territorial de otra.
Y por favor, no sigas mintiendo, nosotros jamás atacamos a los isleños. Por el contrario, hasta el 2 de Abril de 1982 los únicos que se preocuparon por darles una mejor calidad de vida fué el pueblo Argentino, Piratalandia(Gran Bretaña) los había abandonado a su suerte. Si no hubiese sido que en la década del 70 descubrieron petróleo a los Piratas(Británicos)jamás se les hubiese ocurrido mandar ni a un chinchorro por ellos.
Los Piratas(Británicos) fueron más listos que nosotros. Con batalla o sin ella, la decisión ya estaba tomada. La batalla fué la justificación ante la gilada para exacerbar el sentimiento nacionalista en Piratalandia(Gran Bretaña), más o menos como la Plaza de Mayo llena ante el discurso de Galtieri acá.
Pero si este anzuelo que Piratalandia(Gran Bretaña)nos tirara y que nosotros mordímos, no hubiese sido exitoso igualmente hubiesen venido por el oro negro con otra excusa.
Quizás en reclamo por, la futura, mano de Dios.
Atte.,
Luís Vernet.
Luis Vernet

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Apr 23, 2012
 
Prince Harry wrote:
You Argentines need to be reminded what will happen to the Argentine if you try your stupid stunts again. Its provinces will be distributed as follows:
Misiones, Corrientes to Brazil.
Formosa to Paraguay.
Salta, Jujuy to Bolivia.
Entre Rios to Uruguay.
Tierra del Fuego, Los Andes to Chile.
Patagonia (Santa Cruz, Chubut, Rio Negro south of the Rio Negro) will become the Mapuche republic of Patagonia.
Buenos Aires, La Pampa, Rio Negro north of the Rio Negro, Neuquen will all be occupied by the British, for ten years, as the Viceroyalty of the River Plate. They can then have free elections on their future.
The rest (Santa Fe, Cordoba, San Luis, Mendoza, San Juan, La Rioja, Catamarca, Tucuman, Santiago del Estero, El Chaco) will become the independent republic of Pampakuna.
Dale, ya vamos poniendo el aceite a calentar para recibirlos como se merecen...
Atte.,
Luís Vernet.
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Braedon wrote:
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Maybe because it is argentina which spends every waking hour screaming about the "injustice" of having been unable to violently subjugate the Falklands as you did with every inch of argentina. It is the duty of whomever alleges injustice to take it to the relevant court, and seeing how argentina has never done this throughout the entirety of the ICJ's existence, it seems clear your government is well aware of just how weak your pathetic claim is
<quoted text>
Awww, is another crybaby upset that I mentioned some basic truths about your "heros"?
Sorry, but I see no reason to show any respect for those who still scream about the "unfairness" of the fact they were unable to violently subjugate thousands of innocent islanders.
Fascist worshiping pussies like your veterans perfectly demonstrate full well your nation's sickening contempt for basic human rights of those in the way of your pathetic delusions of grandeur, as well as your utter cowardice when faced with an enemy which can fight back. The fact you worship them as heroes makes you wholly worthy of my amused contempt
<quoted text>
Apart from twice in the 60s which argentina promptly ran away like a coward, and despite several offers since 1945 you have continued to act with characteristic spinelessness in fleeing any chance of showing your case to an actual court.
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Exactly, no one cares about your third world shithole's pathetic obsession with our territory. That's why not one single nation has taken any economic, diplomatic, political, military or financial measures against the UK or the Islanders, unless you count that hilariously failed "blockade" against the Islanders a measure (despite all nations involved instantly telling the islanders that it was purely symbolic)
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As i said before, why do we need to? it is argentina's duty as it whines like a bitch about injustice, to take the case to court. As your nation lacks the spine to do so we can happily ignore you like the sad little joke that you are.
But by all means, provide the legal sources (ICJ/UN statute, ICJ precedents, UN charter articles) and historical sources to prove me wrong
Right on Braedon!
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Apr 24, 2012
 
Writing on an English speaking forum in Spanish would be considered rude by everyone I know. It is no different to being in Argentina and speaking in English in front of your hosts.

I always assume when people post here in Spanish that they are rude and uneducated so why make they effort to bother reading what they have to say?

Why should English speaking people take there time to translate posts here in Spanish? If you wish to have your arguement heard here then it is your responsiblity to write in English or translate it yourself for your readers.

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