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Moiz Qidwai
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Ferrari Enzo wrote: Pagan Arabs performed the following pagan rituals BEFORE Muhammad was born:
- running 7 times around the temple of the moon god called the Kaaba.
- stones were thrown at the devil.
- a crescent was a key religious symbol.
- praying toward Mecca five times a day.
- kissing the black stone.
- killing an animal in sacrifice to the moon god.
- fasting for the month which begins and ends with the crescent moon.
Muhammad retained almost all the pagan rituals of the Arabs at the Kaaba and redefined them in monotheistic terms. As you can see from the above rituals, they are practiced today by Muslims around the world. Kaaba was indeed constructed by prophet Abraham and Prophet Ishmael more than 2500 years before the birth of prophet Mohammad (PBUH). The rites of Hajj and Circum-ambulating around Kaaba and many other rites were initiated by these prophets. However during the intervening centuries Makkan people have added many things into these rites based on their own reasoning. When the prophet conquered Makkah, he abolished these additions and restored Hajj rites to those which were originated by the Prophets Abraham and Ishmael. And these included: - Circum-ambulating around Kaaba 7 times and Kissing the Black Stone. - Going to Mina, Arafat and stoning the devil in Mina. - Sacrificing animals in Mina after performing Hajj and other rites. But you are mistaken in your claims that: - Allah was a moon God - Crescent was a key religious symbol of Pagan or Islam. It just denotes the start of a new Lunar month and nothing else. - Pagan Arabs were praying five times towards Makkah or fasting for one month in Ramadan. So in fact the prophet removed all the pagan believes and rituals and perfected Hajj and other rituals as commanded by God and those which are practiced by Muslims thru out the world. Therefore whatever Muslims do or practice, they have direct authority from their prophet. Compared to that the Christian practices of worshipping Cross, Celebrating X-mass on 25th December, Christmas Tree, and other rites practiced in Churches have no direct authority from Jesus. These are their own doings and many of these have pagan origin,
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“Sayonara Japan:)”
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Allah Huu Akbar !!!
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“No point in mentionin the bats”
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varjuga wrote: Allah Huu Akbar !!!
:) Ali's Snackbar!
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Chrobry
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Ferrari Enzo wrote: The Crescent Moon Symbol of Islam
The crescent moon symbol of Islam is a remnant of ancient pagan moon worship. The crescent moon is the universal symbol of Islam. Most Arab/Muslim countries today still use the crescent moon symbol on their flags and atop of their mosques.
Daughters of Allah
The three daughters, Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat are sometimes depicted together with Allah the moon-god represented by a crescent moon above them.
Allah of the Qur'an is in fact a pagan Arab moon god of pre-Islamic times. Historians, linguists, and archeologists have dug into this question for over a century. Various archeological digs in Arabia and throughout the Middle East have uncovered the answer: Islam is a modern version of the ancient fertility religion of the moon god. Once this is grasped, the rise and history of Islam becomes clear.
Islam's origins have been traced back by scholars to the ancient fertility religion of the worship of the moon god which was always the dominant religion of Arabia. The moon god was worshipped by praying toward Mecca several times a day, making an annual pilgrimage to the Kaaba which was a temple of the moon god, running around the Kaaba seven times, caressing an idol of a black stone set in the wall of the Kaaba, running between two hills, making animal sacrifices, gathering on Fridays for prayers, giving alms to the poor, etc.. These were pagan rites practised by the Arabs long before Muhammad was born.
Does the average Muslim know that he is worshipping a moon god? No.
Does the average Muslim know why the crescent moon symbol sits on top of his mosque? No.
Is the average Muslim shocked and perhaps angered at these facts of history? Yes.
The average Muslim has been kept in the dark by the Mullahs and Imams who would lose their power if the truth ever got out. We will show them all a full moon when we take The Fruit of the Loom out of the way! LOL
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Ferrari Enzo
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victoria1 wrote: <quoted text>
Ali's Snackbar! order up a plate of ali's salami bacon
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“Sayonara Japan:)”
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Kandava
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victoria1 wrote: <quoted text>
Ali's Snackbar! War Is Peace Freedom Is Slavery Ignorance Is Strength Future only for dark people :D!! Vote BHO,Islams love him!
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varjuga wrote: <quoted text>
War Is Peace
Freedom Is Slavery
Ignorance Is Strength
Future only for dark people :D!!
Vote BHO,Islams love him! Most of the rest of the world prefers Obama. All Bush & Co. has done is increase the incidences of terrorism world-wide, which is why Europeans and everyone else hate America more than ever. We keep pushing everyone else into a corner and now Pakistan, with it's nuclear capability, is falling apart at the seams as radicalism and terrorism have increased there. Our relationship with Russia has deteriorated back to the cold war days. We now are in a huge debt to China and awash in their toxic, shoddy goods. Iran feels threatened by us as we squeeze them between Iraq and Afghanistan. So Ahmadinejad rattles his saber by pursuing nuclear weaponry and threatening Israel. Baby Bush is an idiot largely dictated to by Chaney and big business interests. McCain is a loose cannon with the same military/industrial backers (via Bush) who will continue our arrogant and belligerent foreign policies. Preemptive war on Iran, anyone?
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Ferrari Enzo
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Moiz Qidwai wrote: <quoted text>
Kaaba was indeed constructed by prophet Abraham and Prophet Ishmael more than 2500 years before the birth of prophet Mohammad (PBUH). The rites of Hajj and Circum-ambulating around Kaaba and many other rites were initiated by these prophets.
However during the intervening centuries Makkan people have added many things into these rites based on their own reasoning.
When the prophet conquered Makkah, he abolished these additions and restored Hajj rites to those which were originated by the Prophets Abraham and Ishmael. And these included:
- Circum-ambulating around Kaaba 7 times and Kissing the Black Stone.
- Going to Mina, Arafat and stoning the devil in Mina.
- Sacrificing animals in Mina after performing Hajj and other rites.
But you are mistaken in your claims that:
- Allah was a moon God
- Crescent was a key religious symbol of Pagan or Islam. It just denotes the start of a new Lunar month and nothing else.
- Pagan Arabs were praying five times towards Makkah or fasting for one month in Ramadan.
So in fact the prophet removed all the pagan believes and rituals and perfected Hajj and other rituals as commanded by God and those which are practiced by Muslims thru out the world. Therefore whatever Muslims do or practice, they have direct authority from their prophet. You have been deceived...since Allah was the best of deceivers...Pagan Arabs performed those rites. False Prophet Muhammad actually PERMITTED lying to further his goals: Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it." (Sahih al-Bukhari 5.369, cf.) False Prophet Muhammad clearly CONDONED dishonesty when it suited his purposes. Also, False Prophet Muhammad ADMITS to lying and ENCOURAGES Muslims to do likewise... In the following hadiths, we see that False Prophet Muhammad admits he's a liar when it suits him and he advises its acceptable for Muslims to do likewise: http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Muhammad_admits... ALLAH was the best of deceivers...Satan is a deceiver so that makes... ALLAH = FALSE GOD = SATAN
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Ferrari Enzo
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Moiz Qidwai,
Be careful you might be suffering from a mental disorder...
TU QUOQUE DIVERSION TACTIC
The Tu Quoque diversion tactic occurs when instead of answering an objection, a person points his finger back at his questioner and says, "Well, you’ve got problems too!".
This diversion tactic is quite common among Muslims. When a person asks a Muslim, "Aren't you shocked by all the innocents killed in the name of Allah," it is quite common for the Muslim to reply, "What about all of the innocents killed by the West?" As if this answers the question!
You will notice that you are using the Tu Quoque diversion tactic when you switch the attack to Christianity or Judaism, comparing the Bible to the Koran, and quoting passages from Leviticus or some obscure text, possibly attributed to a Rabbi from 2,500 years ago.
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Moiz Qidwai
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Ferrari Enzo wrote: <quoted text> You have been deceived...since Allah was the best of deceivers...Pagan Arabs performed those rites. False Prophet Muhammad actually PERMITTED lying to further his goals: Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it." (Sahih al-Bukhari 5.369, cf.) False Prophet Muhammad clearly CONDONED dishonesty when it suited his purposes. Also, False Prophet Muhammad ADMITS to lying and ENCOURAGES Muslims to do likewise... In the following hadiths, we see that False Prophet Muhammad admits he's a liar when it suits him and he advises its acceptable for Muslims to do likewise: http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Muhammad_admits... ALLAH was the best of deceivers...Satan is a deceiver so that makes... ALLAH = FALSE GOD = SATAN Allah is not the best of deceivers; He is best of planners. He recoils the deceit of His enemies on themselves. Anybody cursing the prophet, during his life, or after his death, is fit to be killed as a punishment. That was the fate of Kaab Bin Ashraf and his kinds, who follow that dangerous path. Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) did not condone any dishonesty, this was a war tactics and in war tactics, misinformation is a useful tool. Every one uses misinformation tactics to gain advantage in war. We do not use any diversion; we only try to show people the mirror. They are acting dishonestly it attributing actions to Islam, which they and their folks are doing with impunity for centuries. Irrespective of what you call it, we must use the same standards for every one. You should judge every one by the same standards.
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“NO to religious zealots!”
Joined: May 11, 2008
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Moiz Qidwai wrote: <quoted text>
Allah is not the best of deceivers; He is best of planners. He recoils the deceit of His enemies on themselves.
Anybody cursing the prophet, during his life, or after his death, is fit to be killed as a punishment. Why should Allah have enemies? Only people make enemies, e. g. when claiming that people who curse or do not believe in Mohammed, are to be "killed".
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Why should a Catholic be concerned about the novel?
Although a work of fiction, the book claims to be meticulously researched, and it goes to great lengths to convey the impression that it is based on fact. It even has a "fact" page at the front of the book underscoring the claim of factuality for particular ideas within the book. As a result, many readers-both Catholic and non-Catholic-are taking the book's ideas seriously.
The problem is that many of the ideas that the book promotes are anything but fact, and they go directly to the heart of the Catholic faith. For example, the book promotes these ideas:
* Jesus is not God; he was only a man.
* Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene.
* She is to be worshiped as a goddess.
* Jesus got her pregnant, and the two had a daughter.
* That daughter gave rise to a prominent family line that is still present in Europe today.
* The Bible was put together by a pagan Roman emperor.
* Jesus was viewed as a man and not as God until the fourth century, when he was deified by the emperor Constantine.
* The Gospels have been edited to support the claims of later Christians.
* In the original Gospels, Mary Magdalene rather than Peter was directed to establish the Church.
* There is a secret society known as the Priory of Sion that still worships Mary Magdalene as a goddess and is trying to keep the truth alive.
* The Catholic Church is aware of all this and has been fighting for centuries to keep it suppressed. It often has committed murder to do so.
* The Catholic Church is willing to and often has assassinated the descendents of Christ to keep his bloodline from growing.
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Ferrari Enzo wrote: <quoted text> You have been deceived...since Allah was the best of deceivers...Pagan Arabs performed those rites. False Prophet Muhammad actually PERMITTED lying to further his goals: Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it." (Sahih al-Bukhari 5.369, cf.) False Prophet Muhammad clearly CONDONED dishonesty when it suited his purposes. Also, False Prophet Muhammad ADMITS to lying and ENCOURAGES Muslims to do likewise... In the following hadiths, we see that False Prophet Muhammad admits he's a liar when it suits him and he advises its acceptable for Muslims to do likewise: http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Muhammad_admits... ALLAH was the best of deceivers...Satan is a deceiver so that makes... ALLAH = FALSE GOD = SATAN What does Islam mean? The Arabic word 'Islam' simply means 'submission', and derives from a word meaning 'peace'. In a religious context it means complete submission to the will of God.'Mohammedanism' is thus a misnomer because it suggests that Muslims worship Muhammad rather than God.'Allah' is the Arabic name for God, which is used by Arab Muslims and Christians alike.
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Ferrari Enzo
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Ferrari Enzo
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news expo wrote: <quoted text>What does Islam mean?
The Arabic word 'Islam' simply means 'submission', and derives from a word meaning 'peace'. In a religious context it means complete submission to the will of God.'Mohammedanism' is thus a misnomer because it suggests that Muslims worship Muhammad rather than God.'Allah' is the Arabic name for God, which is used by Arab Muslims and Christians alike. Two Types of Allah To Arab Christians, Allah mean god... To Arab Muslims, Allah means false god, Satan.
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Ferrari Enzo
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Jihad is military conquest of infidels... JIHAD IS A STRUGGLE TO EXPAND ISLM In Islam the world is uncompromisingly divided between dar al-Islam, the House of Islam, and dar al-harb, the House of War, where Infidels have not yet been subjugated to Islam. "Islam is to dominate and not to be dominated" and eventually, all of the world, which belongs to Allah, will become part of dar al-Islam. The Jihad is the "struggle" to expand Islam, to create the conditions where Muslims may rule, and Islam may prevail. This Jihad to spread Islam has lasted 1350 years. It has no end, until its goal is reached, whatever periods of quiescence must be observed because of lack of effective instruments or power. Not every Muslim heart beats with passion for this idea, but around the world, a great many do. Furthermore, Infidels can never know when a Muslim who seemed so Westernized, so removed from such matters, may undergo a transformation, into a much more menacing True Believer.
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Ferrari Enzo
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JIHAD IS A STRUGGLE TO EXPAND ISLAM http://www.historyofjihad.com Chronological Jihads: The Jihad against Arabs (622 to 634) The Jihad against Zoroastrian Persians of Iran, Baluchistan and Afghanistan (634 to 651) The Jihad against the Byzantine Christians (634 to 1453) The Jihad against Christian Coptic Egyptians (640 to 655) The Jihad against Christian Coptic Nubians - modern Sudanese (650) The Jihad against pagan Berbers - North Africans (650 to 700) The Jihad against Spaniards (711 to 730) The Reconquista against Jihad in Spain (730 to 1492) The Jihad against Franks - modern French (720 to 732) The Jihad against Sicilians in Italy (812 to 940) The Jihad against Chinese (751) The Jihad against Turks (651 to 751) The Jihad against Armenians and Georgians (1071 to 1920) The Crusade against Jihad (1096 – 1291 ongoing) The Jihad against Mongols (1260 to 1300) The Jihad against Hindus of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh (638 to 1857) The Jihad against Indonesians and Malays (1450 to 1500) The Jihad against Poland (1444 to 1699) The Jihad against Rumania (1350 to 1699) The Jihad against Russia (1500 to 1853) The Jihad against Germany (1529 - ongoing) The Jihad against Bulgaria (1350 to 1843) The Jihad against Serbs, Croats and Albanians (1334 to 1920) The Jihad against Greeks (1450 to 1853) The Jihad against Albania (1332 - 1853) The Jihad against Croatia (1389 to 1843) The Jihad against Hungarians (1500 to 1683) The Jihad against Austrians (1683)
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Ferrari Enzo
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Jihad in the Modern Age (20th and 21st Centuries) The Jihad against Israelis (1948 – 2004 ongoing) The Jihad against Americans (9/11/2001) The Jihad against the British (1947 onwards) The Jihad against Denmark (2005 cartoon controversy onwards) The Jihad against the Filipinos in Mindanao(1970 onwards) The Jihad against Indonesian Christians in Malaku and East Timor (1970 onwards) The Jihad against Russians (1995 onwards) The Jihad against Dutch and Belgians (2003 onwards) The Jihad against Norwegians and Swedes (2003 onwards) The Jihad against Thais (2003 onwards) The Jihad against Nigerians (1965 onwards) The Jihad against Canadians (2001 onwards) The Jihad against Latin America (2003 onwards) The Jihad against Australia (2002 onwards) The Global Jihad today (2001 – ongoing) The War on Terror against Jihad today (2001– ongoing)
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Moiz Qidwai
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Ferrari Enzo wrote: <quoted text>
Two Types of Allah
To Arab Christians, Allah mean god...
To Arab Muslims, Allah means false god, Satan. How come Christians started using word Allah in their Scriptures, when Allah was a moon god? What is alternative to Allah in Arabic for God? Ask your Christian Arabs!!!
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