Editorial:Democracy in Muslim world

"Islamophobes in the West ..."

Odd that anyone who criticizes Islam is always an "Islamophobe" and "invariably in the West".

"... As for Turkey, the fourth largest which had a general election the previous year, no one can have any doubts about the Turks’ attachment to and respect for democracy."

But in order to form that attachment, the Turks took Islam out of their gov't and its constitution.

"... In France, women did not have the right to vote until 1944 and in Switzerland, not until 1971. What reason, then, for this patronizing attitude toward Muslims and democracy? None."

None?
It's 2009 and most Muslim women still can't vote.

Joe DeCaro wrote:

It's 2009 and most Muslim women still can't vote.

Is that a fact?

The only 2 countries that I am aware of where women are not allowed to vote by law, are, Saudi Arabia and the Vatican City.

Please enlighten me.

I guess there's no need for me to wait for an answer that will obviously never arrive.

It's 2009 and some people still can't pick up a book from time to time to alleviate their obvious lack of knowledge.

Nemesis,

Arab/Muslim/Islamic societies are far behind in embracing individual liberty.

I hope they will catch up.

"Today, aside from Brunei (where neither men nor women can vote)[119] and Saudi Arabia (though Saudi women will be able to vote in 2009[120][121]),[122] all Muslim-majority nations allow women to vote.(Lebanon requires proof of education for women to vote.[123])"
-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Islam
"Some Islamic theologians quote the Quran ("There is no compulsion in religion," Sura 2:257, and "Say: O you who reject faith, I do not worship what you worship, nor do you worship what I worship...To you be your religion, and to me be mine," Sura 109:1-6, i.e. Sura Al-Kafirun) to show scriptural support for religious freedom. However, other verses and the Hadith mandate severe treatment for unbelievers, which is reflected in the high levels of intolerance shown in many past and contemporary Islamic societies, and some Muslim scholars[who?] have disagreed with such ill-treatment."
-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_relig...

Ben Abbott wrote:

Nemesis,
Arab/Muslim/Islamic societies are far behind in embracing individual liberty.
I hope they will catch up.

Is that what you read, or is it something that you have actually experienced?

How many Arab/Muslim countries have you lived in?

The reason I ask these questions is quite simple really. Those who have traveled and lived in different parts of the world, tend to avoid sweeping generalizations.

Nemesis wrote:

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Is that a fact?
The only 2 countries that I am aware of where women are not allowed to vote by law, are, Saudi Arabia and the Vatican City.
Please enlighten me.

You forgot Kuwait; I was there in '91.

"In Kuwait, too many women are scorned": Souheila Al-Jaada writes in the Daily Star, with thanks to LA Hutton:

"Written on huge banners canvassing hundreds of town hall meetings organized by Islamists all across Kuwait is the following statement:
"According to Islamic Sharia, women do not have political rights." This is part of a concerted effort by Muslim conservatives to stem a potential wave of reform in the country after Parliament, in a first round of voting, passed a bill granting women the right to vote and run in municipal elections.

The Islamists' plan worked. In the second round of voting in the middle of last week, the reform-minded government, which wrote the legislation, could not muster the majority votes needed to pass the bill. So, the Kuwaiti Parliament decided to delay consideration of the law and the government has now agreed to submit a new elections bill without a clause allowing women to vote ..."

This tactic is repeated in every Islamic nation where shar'ia is practicied.

Nemesis wrote:

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Is that a fact?
The only 2 countries that I am aware of where women are not allowed to vote by law, are, Saudi Arabia and the Vatican City.
Please enlighten me.

You negleted to mention Kuwait; I was there in '91.

"In Kuwait, too many women are scorned": Souheila Al-Jaada writes in the Daily Star, with thanks to LA Hutton:

"Written on huge banners canvassing hundreds of town hall meetings organized by Islamists all across Kuwait is the following statement:
"According to Islamic Sharia, women do not have political rights." This is part of a concerted effort by Muslim conservatives to stem a potential wave of reform in the country after Parliament, in a first round of voting, passed a bill granting women the right to vote and run in municipal elections.

The Islamists' plan worked. In the second round of voting in the middle of last week, the reform-minded government, which wrote the legislation, could not muster the majority votes needed to pass the bill.
So, the Kuwaiti Parliament decided to delay consideration of the law and the government has now agreed to submit a new elections bill without a clause allowing women to vote ..."

This is my 2nd response as I can't find my earlier post(s); apparently Topix is having technical difficulties today.

Wait...Islamophobes?

I thought the salafist militants like Abu Bashir and OBL where the ones screaming about how democracy is unislamic.

anyway, here is the part people miss about democracy, it is NOT just about voting (else you may simply have mob rule) there also must be a constitution with a bill of rights based on progressive ideals to defend personal and social liberty and minorities.
Most islamic parties want a constitution that is based on sharia...

Even the Nazis were democraticly elected.

Joe DeCaro wrote:

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You forgot Kuwait; I was there in '91.
"In Kuwait, too many women are scorned": Souheila Al-Jaada writes in the Daily Star, with thanks to LA Hutton:
"Written on huge banners canvassing hundreds of town hall meetings organized by Islamists all across Kuwait is the following statement:
"According to Islamic Sharia, women do not have political rights." This is part of a concerted effort by Muslim conservatives to stem a potential wave of reform in the country after Parliament, in a first round of voting, passed a bill granting women the right to vote and run in municipal elections.
The Islamists' plan worked. In the second round of voting in the middle of last week, the reform-minded government, which wrote the legislation, could not muster the majority votes needed to pass the bill. So, the Kuwaiti Parliament decided to delay consideration of the law and the government has now agreed to submit a new elections bill without a clause allowing women to vote ..."
This tactic is repeated in every Islamic nation where shar'ia is practicied.

Don't change the subject!

You said: "Muslim women still can't vote"

Nemesis proved you wrong and made you look like an ignorant, and that's pretty much all there is to it.

The 15th Amendment to the US Constitution, which prevented any state from denying the right to vote to any citizen on account of his race, was passed in 1870.

As late as 1964, a black man was linched for voting.

To imply that Muslim women in Islamic countries have voting rights is as misleading as saying African Americans have had voting rights in the US since 1870.

The 15 amendment to the US Constitution, which prevented any state from denying the right to vote to any citizen on account of his race, was passed in 1870.

As late as 1964, a black man was linched for voting.

To imply that Muslim women in Islamic countries have voting rights is as misleading as saying African Americans have had voting rights in the US since 1870.

I really doubt that there is any democracy in places like Afghanistan Arabian countries Iran Sudan Somalia.
Women which are half of the population can't even go out of their homes.
What about basic human rights then.

There is a reason Islamic Countries refuse to sign the UN Decluration of Human Rights.

Bouteflika is an sob.

Mustapha wrote:

You said: "Muslim women still can't vote" ...

Because they still can't, regardless of what the official line is.

"... the Kuwaiti Parliament decided to delay consideration of the law and the government has now agreed to submit a new elections bill without a clause allowing women to vote ..."

The above is ongoing throughout the Islamic world; as I type this, the Taliban is importing shar'ia into the rest of "democratic" Pakistan.

Joe DeCaro wrote:

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Because they still can't, regardless of what the official line is.
"... the Kuwaiti Parliament decided to delay consideration of the law and the government has now agreed to submit a new elections bill without a clause allowing women to vote ..."
The above is ongoing throughout the Islamic world; as I type this, the Taliban is importing shar'ia into the rest of "democratic" Pakistan.

Don't change the subject!

You said: "It's 2009 and most Muslim women still can't vote"

Nemesis proved you wrong and made you look like an ignorant di<k, and that's pretty much all there is to it.

Mustapha wrote:

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Don't change the subject!
You said: "It's 2009 and most Muslim women still can't vote"
Nemesis proved you wrong and made you look like an ignorant di<k, and that's pretty much all there is to it.

I proved him right. Look at my first post.

democracy in muslim world is an oxymoron. muslims are better off with theocracy, it works good for them so we should not bother, unfortunately they constantly want to force their laws on us and our democracy let them to do so
they say: with your (western) rules we'll invade you, with ours (islamic) we'll conquer you.
that's a fact.
the president of islamic MODERATE league cut the throat and beheaded his wife because she dared to ask for divorce, and that's a moderate so let's only imagine how an observant/religious/integralis t would act
one country one civilization and if you don't like it suck it up and adapt. we are obliged to follow their rules in their countries so they are obliged to follow ours in our countries. that's a democratic principle. leftists = looneys who hate their own people

With the damn talibans invading pakistan imposing sharia and paki's élite say it's all right especially there in swat valley so send your damn kids there to study instead of paying their schools abroad.