Films like 'The Rain Man' promote inaccurate image of autism

Jan 22, 2012 Full story: The Brownsville Herald 36

True or False? Most people with Autism Spectrum Disorders are extremely gifted cognitively.

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#2 Jan 24, 2012
The movie may have portrayed an example of a savant and of Kim Peek, but most with autism are not savants. The movie itself was a hollywood version of an actual person who had ASD. Not the other way around.
Kim Peek's was born with macrocephaly damage to the cerebellum, and agenesis of the corpus callosum, a condition in which the bundle of nerves that connects the two hemispheres of the brain is missing.
Not caused by vaccines.

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#3 Jan 24, 2012
I agree. I don't think there's anything wrong with the movie, and I'm sure there are a number of autistics out there who are similar to certain aspects of the character of Raymond. The problem is the people who see this movie, or any other movie about an autistic person, and think that autism is always exactly like that. There will
never be a perfect portrayal of autism in any movie character, because it affects everyone in different ways. Some are savants, most aren't. Some hate loud noises, some couldn't care less. Some are nonverbal, some are highly verbal and even overly talkative at times.
Now if it was a movie with a person who had symptoms of down syndrome with no autistic characteristics, then i'd say that that would be a bad characterization of autism. However, the character in the movie Rain Man is well within the range if possible autistic presentations.
aur56

Aurora, MO

#4 Jan 24, 2012
It's just a movie, entertainment. That's all it is. It's not personal. It's actually a good movie, good story line, good actors etc. Just watch and enjoy and quit over thinking it.

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#5 Jan 24, 2012
I watched the Rain Man when it first came out, years before my son was born. My interest was solely Tom Cruise, not autism or savants. People will always have opinions about movies as such. Some liked Miracle Run, some didn't. The interesting thing about movies is, how actors can replicate and actually appear to have autism, when they do not.

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#12 May 25, 2012
People sometimes confuse strokes and seizures, but they are two very different conditions. First, here are some basics about each. A stroke results from reduced blood flow to all or some part of the brain, in turn leading to the death of some brain cells. Meanwhile, a seizure is the result of excessive, synchronous electrical activity in brain circuits. Eventually, a brain affected by a seizure will recover. A seizure may appear more dramatic and upsetting, but a stroke is medically much more serious because in stroke brain cells die.

Autism is not at all comparable to a stroke. When people have strokes, there's no compensating in other parts of the brain, either. Depending on the severity of the stroke, the person will be mildly affected, or permanently paralyzed.

Laurence Kim Peek was born in 1951 and the vaccine theory doesn't apply to him.

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#13 May 25, 2012
FROG wrote:
Unfortunately non-Autistic people tend to view Raymond in a very superficial and one-dimensional way, though as an Autistic person,
The thing with any movie and those who watched it who had no experience with a person who had autism, is they tend to stereotype. They get the idea that every one with autism is like Kim Peek. The movie depicted how autism affected Kim Peek and only Kim Peek. What took away from the movie was Tom Cruise and the Hollywood drama. Most people incliding myself only watched the movie due to Tom Cruise, autism had nothing to do with why I wanted to see it. People do have to remember, Dustin Hoffman did not have autism and as much as he is a good actor, one really cant educate themselves about autism from this movie.

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#18 May 31, 2012
Not like the book has a thing to do with autism, any book that costs a penny speaks for itself. You'd think anti vaxxers could come up with newer information that from 8 years ago.
datruth

Waleska, GA

#19 May 31, 2012
Asperger's Syndrome, as well as some other forms of ASD, are outgrowable. I know this is true because I used to have Asperger's Syndrome, so don't say they aren't outgrowable. I do believe I have savant-like gifts, especially in memory and mathematics. And I do believe other people with ASD also have savant-like gifts or other abilities. For some types of ASD, we don't really know for sure whether or not they have those types of gifts. However, we cannot prove they don't have them. I personally believe they do. Also, I did not get these ideas from the movies, as I haven't even watched them before.

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#20 May 31, 2012
No where does it state AS or ASD is something a person will outgrow. That actually happens to be a misconception of many people within the public that make daily living more a struggle for those who really do have ASD.
When one mentions 'forms', one then really has to question a misdiagnosis if it was 'outgrown'.
datruth

Waleska, GA

#21 Jun 1, 2012
friend wrote:
No where does it state AS or ASD is something a person will outgrow. That actually happens to be a misconception of many people within the public that make daily living more a struggle for those who really do have ASD.
When one mentions 'forms', one then really has to question a misdiagnosis if it was 'outgrown'.
It actually is possible for one with ASD to outgrow it (the social anxiety part). I know this is true because my psychiatrist told me and gave me a pamphlet about it. I am not stating that all people with ASD can outgrow it, but I am saying it is possible to do it in some instances.

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#22 Jun 1, 2012
And what organization printed that pamphlet? Generation Rescue? Social anxiety isn't a trait of autism, that would be the side affect of impaired social interaction. There's more to ASD than impaired social interaction. You do not outgrow autism. There is no known cure. You learn coping skills that make it a LOT less obvious to the untrained individual.
Anyone who simply ourgrew ASD never had ASD. I'd look for a knew psych.
datruth

Waleska, GA

#24 Jun 1, 2012
friend wrote:
And what organization printed that pamphlet? Generation Rescue? Social anxiety isn't a trait of autism, that would be the side affect of impaired social interaction. There's more to ASD than impaired social interaction. You do not outgrow autism. There is no known cure. You learn coping skills that make it a LOT less obvious to the untrained individual.
Anyone who simply ourgrew ASD never had ASD. I'd look for a knew psych.
It is not a cure that helped me outgrow autism. It was my determination to be more social. Social impairedness/social anxiety is part of many forms of autism, including the Asperger's Syndrome I used to have. You never had to go through this struggle, so you would not know anything about it. I did go through this all, and I do know about it. Do not tell me there is no possible way to outgrow autism, because there is, and you just don't know about it.

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#25 Jun 1, 2012
Like I said, ASD consists more than just impaired social interaction. Many people can have just that alone, but that alone is not ASD. There's much more to ASD than that. When kids hit their teen age years, almost all of them go through impaired social interaction. They don't all have ASD. And since you don't know me, you have no idea what experience I have.

It is untrue and a misconception that people can outgrow autism, of any form. It is people like you who does damage to all the awareness those before you struggled to create. I am sorry for all the struggles you went through and it's great you outgrew whatever you had. You simply do not outgrow neuro disorders. No matter how determined a person is.
datruth

Waleska, GA

#26 Jun 1, 2012
friend wrote:
Like I said, ASD consists more than just impaired social interaction. Many people can have just that alone, but that alone is not ASD. There's much more to ASD than that. When kids hit their teen age years, almost all of them go through impaired social interaction. They don't all have ASD. And since you don't know me, you have no idea what experience I have.
It is untrue and a misconception that people can outgrow autism, of any form. It is people like you who does damage to all the awareness those before you struggled to create. I am sorry for all the struggles you went through and it's great you outgrew whatever you had. You simply do not outgrow neuro disorders. No matter how determined a person is.
Like I said, it is possible to outgrow it. And also like I said, you didn't go through the experience or have enough information. Again, like I said, I did go through this experience and do have credible information. So stop pretending like you know all this information you're making up and get a life.

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#27 Jun 1, 2012
You're the one who came here posting asperger's as well as some other forms of ASD, are 'outgrowable'.
All it takes is a simple web search and anyone who 'didn't go through it' can easily see no one outgrows autism. I didn't make it up and I'm not saying you made anything up, either. There's more to ASD than the social issues, but many people who don't have ASD DO have social issues. Many known things can contribute to that and are easier to over come by 'outgrowing' it. A study which found 1:10 "outgorw" ASD was due to a misdiagnosis. They never had any form of ASD. Those who learn coping skills don't learn those skills without intervention as well, just due to the nature of the ASD disorder, plain determination isn't enough and if you weren't such a 'know it all', coming here and making such a claim, you'd know that.
hatersarestupid

Waleska, GA

#29 Jun 1, 2012
friend wrote:
You're the one who came here posting asperger's as well as some other forms of ASD, are 'outgrowable'.
All it takes is a simple web search and anyone who 'didn't go through it' can easily see no one outgrows autism. I didn't make it up and I'm not saying you made anything up, either. There's more to ASD than the social issues, but many people who don't have ASD DO have social issues. Many known things can contribute to that and are easier to over come by 'outgrowing' it. A study which found 1:10 "outgorw" ASD was due to a misdiagnosis. They never had any form of ASD. Those who learn coping skills don't learn those skills without intervention as well, just due to the nature of the ASD disorder, plain determination isn't enough and if you weren't such a 'know it all', coming here and making such a claim, you'd know that.
You show me the link to the website that says 1:10 ASD patients who outgrow ASD was due to a misdiagnosis and I might believe that. But what about the other 9:10 who outgrow ASD without a misdiagnosis? A simple web search is not credible enough to denounce those who hage gone through everything they had to so they could outgrow ASD. I'm not talking about any medication. Medication does nothing. I'm talking about a personal experience and a great hurdle ASD patients take if and when they outgrow their ASD. And with Asperger's Syndrome, as well as probably some other ASD syndromes, there really isn't that much else to the syndrome than social anxiety and cognitive abilities. Google can't give you the facts, but I'm here giving them to you right now.

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#30 Jun 1, 2012
Web searches are a little bit better than what some psych said, or some pamphlet that cant be verified as to it's content or who distributed it. If 9:10 are outgrowing ASD, the rates wouldn't be as high as there are. Hello. And I never mentioned medication once. That has nothing to do with anything other than you're the one with a psych, however many people with various different disorders can benefit from medications. You should get it correct as well. No ASD's consist of social anxieties as criteria. That would be the result. No where in the DSM criteria does it state social anxiety and there's a large difference between that and impaired social interaction. What you're suggesting is social anxiety was the cause for your impaired social interaction. It's not at all that way for those with ASD.

"really isn't that much else to the syndrome than social anxiety and cognitive abilities" tells everyone you know very little about any form of ASD but claim you're the one with the facts. I imagine you have little experience in the neuro diversity community?

Well, you're not the first to make such a claim and you wont be the last but any in the ASD community don't really need you in order to obtain facts.

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#31 Jun 1, 2012
Duh Moment wrote:
<quoted text> You are describing the hundres of mutations vaccines cause. The mutations that do not originate with the parents.
Didn't you notice you and PA have something in common? You both change your names right and left. I suppose vaccine cause wouldn't qualify your child for outgrowing his autism, you think? Or do you think this PA person is separating 'forms' of ASD to exclude yours?
datruth

Waleska, GA

#32 Jun 1, 2012
friend wrote:
Web searches are a little bit better than what some psych said, or some pamphlet that cant be verified as to it's content or who distributed it. If 9:10 are outgrowing ASD, the rates wouldn't be as high as there are. Hello. And I never mentioned medication once. That has nothing to do with anything other than you're the one with a psych, however many people with various different disorders can benefit from medications. You should get it correct as well. No ASD's consist of social anxieties as criteria. That would be the result. No where in the DSM criteria does it state social anxiety and there's a large difference between that and impaired social interaction. What you're suggesting is social anxiety was the cause for your impaired social interaction. It's not at all that way for those with ASD.
"really isn't that much else to the syndrome than social anxiety and cognitive abilities" tells everyone you know very little about any form of ASD but claim you're the one with the facts. I imagine you have little experience in the neuro diversity community?
Well, you're not the first to make such a claim and you wont be the last but any in the ASD community don't really need you in order to obtain facts.
I'm not sayin 9:10 outgrow ASD, I'm saying that you're saying 9:10 who outgrow it aren't outgrowing it due to misdiagnosis. Bad wording. But a web search is obviously in no way better than a psychiatrist who has multiple degrees in his field as well as many years of experience, combined with a pamphlet written by other psychiatrists who have lots of educatio and experience in the field of Autism studies. Again, I would like to see a link to the site you Googled that says all this stuff youseem to be making up.

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#33 Jun 1, 2012
And who do you think misdiagnose people? psych's. Just how is a diagnosis even made, by a psych's interpretation of behaviors and we know they misdiagnose all the time when there is no blood test to confirm. Common sense tells anyone there is a margin for error. Intellectual disability, speech/language delay, ADHD, selective mutism, compulsive disorders and anxiety disorders are some of the differential diagnoses. And by the way, very few psych's actually participate in studies, or read them other than the newest meds during their practice. Very few have actual degree's in ASD, their practice consists of treating multiple mental health disorders. Very few will ever admit to giving a wrong diagnosis.

By the way, anyone can do a web search, even someone who knows no one with ASD. It doesn't make it less credible than anything you're stating is fact. The National Autistic Society even states Autism is a serious, lifelong and disabling condition. No one states it can be outgrown.

Glad you outgrew it, whatever you had.

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