The Devil in Me --

TedHOhio wrote:

The article lays bare the lack of science of ID/Creationism -- once again. What I found interesting was the impetus for this article was the responses he got from another article he had written. We've seen that time and time again here on Topix. Often when we attempt to straighten out some folks thinking about Evolution we wind up getting preached at (at best). At worst we've had death threats and other incredibly abusive behavior. Real Christian of some people, don't you think?

oodles of noodles wrote:

<quoted text>No one's perfect. Maybe you?

TedHOhio wrote:

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LOL, never made that claim, never will! I've been married too long, I frequently hear about my faults. But what I haven't done is threaten the life of someone because they disagreed with me -- like some of the Christian-claiming compatriots.

TedHOhio wrote:

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LOL, never made that claim, never will! I've been married too long, I frequently hear about my faults. But what I haven't done is threaten the life of someone because they disagreed with me -- like some of the Christian-claiming compatriots.

oodles of noodles wrote:

<quoted text>It is unfortunate that some people of the Christian faith lose thier composure and become vile. I will pray for them as I do for you.
Who was it anyway?

TedHOhio wrote:

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Please do not pray for me. I'll handle my own life, thank you very much!
Besides if your God exists, the one who relies on magic tricks to make you behave, the one who planted the whole fossil record as a sort of practical joke, the one who you think gave you a brain and wants you not to us it ... Don't mention my name to him, it won't win you any brownie points.

oodles of noodles wrote:

<quoted text>Hmmm, that's funny, show me where it says he uses magic tricks to make you behave? Planted the fossil record as a joke? Gave us a brain to not use it? Pleeeease do. Don't forget examples.
And according to your other posts you believe in a god that isn't responsible for existance or life or even the author of the laws that govern energy. So your god must not exist outside of your own imagination and only your imagination. That does sound personal, haha.

Why wouldn't it earn me any brownie points to mention your name? Do you think that God hates you? And too late, I already have.

TedHOhio wrote:

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I am not going to repost hundreds and thousands of posts of your religious brethren attempting to rationalize the world around there. You can go look at some of the Creationist websites trying to explain fossils, how man 'appeared', the role of Satan in changing people's behavior. I don't need to re-read that crap for myself. Once into the mire of a particular website is enough, thank you. But as you dig, you will finds the wildest rationalizations -- always with one common thread -- no support and no proof.
Look at the fossil record and geological strata. According to half a dozen sites -- and many people here on topix, Noah's flood explains it all. Gee, aside form the minor little detail there is NO evidence of a world-wide flood event that would have been capable of wiping out all life on Earth. Ask for details on how Noah could build such a boat, who handled the care, feeding , and waste removal and you get more rationalizations -- the last one I read was the animals were all in suspended animation.
Did I say your God hates me? No, I just am not interested in you earning brownie points with a much less than omnipotent God. I also haven't assigned any action on behalf of any God. If a God is truly omnipotent, then why do I need to rationalize his/her behavior?
You want to argue the validity of Creationism/.ID, bring it on. But you need to bring proof, not the conjecture you have previously posted. I can point to a flower and claim fairies made it and be making just as valid a claim as if you said 'God made it'. However a botanist would eat us alive with actual, valid, scientific proof of where the flower came from.

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oodles of noodles wrote:

<quoted text>Don't catagorize me, I don't catagorize you. Some of those wack ideas come from "scientists" so you must believe them as well right? So don't.
First of all I don't think that 6 days of creation is 6 man days: 2Peter 3:4-8 "Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after thier own lusts, and saying, Where is the promise of his coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
Whereby the world that then was being overflowed with water perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgement and perdition of ungodly men.
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."
So, yes, I'm sure there were long spans inbetween events including animal creations and remember, there are also problems with the current geological theorum as well including circular logic. As for the logistics of the ark, it's very possible I don't know about stasis, lol, but periods of dormancy or hibernation maybe.
As for less than omnipotent god such as the one you believe in that isn't in control of anything, isn't responsible for the universe or life because like you said: If time were rewound nothing would be the same including existance, which might not have ever happened. So, the god you say you believe in exists only in YOUR head and isn't responsible for anything.
So, with a god like yours, why do you even believe in a god?
Actually let me rephrase that what makes you believe in a god? Because you said you do believe in a god, just not mine.

TedHOhio wrote:

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Why shouldn't I categorize you, you are the one who offered to pray for me -- very rude to do something like that without asking first. Then you get all defensive when I tell you not to bother.
I also said my beliefs are private and have no bearing on the discussion of evolution because I am not trying to impose my beliefs on anyone else, I am certainly not dressing them up in a lab coat and claiming that they are science.
Whatever role God may have played in life isn't mine to decide -- and I think people who claim it is their role to make that determination usually in it for some reason other than God's Glory -- most of them are in it for much more secular reasons. So if you want to send money to your favorite evangelist and his multi-million dollar home, jet, and lifestyle, go ahead. I have no interest in playing that game. People's beliefs are not based in science, they do not belong in the science classroom as science, and I will continue to argue against it no matter what kind of lipstick they put on it.

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oodles of noodles wrote:

<quoted text>psssh, So you believe in god but don't think he created life, or the universe or reality and has no impact on any of it. And you don't want to talk about it because....it's a secret? Do you tell your kids about your god? People's beliefs not based on science? So science isn't in the business of explaining reality? Or science is in the business of creating reality? Why are you scared to discuss your beliefs on God?

Nuggin wrote:

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Personal beliefs about magical entities are unimportant.
There are literally thousands of different "Gods" being worshipped. No single one of them has any more or less evidence for or against it than any other.
But if you want to compare, by any metric, the Christians fall short:
Most original? Fail.
Most popular? Fail.
First? Fail.
Most recent? Fail.
Most consistent? Fail.
At best Christianity can be called an adhoc offshoot of Judaism in which numerous cults have sprung up around vastly different idiologies.
To claim that you ONE tiny offshoot version of ONE of the cults is somehow more in touch with the undetectable "reality" than anyone else's version is laughable.
The founding fathers knew it. Scientists know it. You should know it too.
When you claim "I'm right because my imaginary friend can beat up on your imaginary friend" how do you expect us to take you seriously as an adult?

Nuggin wrote:

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Personal beliefs about magical entities are unimportant.
When you claim "I'm right because my imaginary friend can beat up on your imaginary friend" how do you expect us to take you seriously as an adult?

oodles of noodles wrote:

<quoted text>I do believe in an objective reality not undetectable yet unmeasurable by our standards which are limited by our limited knowledge, we know what we think is alot but I don't think we've actually made much of a dent in what is the maximum of what is even in our limited sphere of reality. That is why I get on here and question and argue what I know or think I know, more for me than anyone else. I believe in a soul as in a conciousness that is me, yet, what is me? Could you imagine dying, then as a new you, same you but unaware of the previous you therfore not the old you but you nonetheless. Opening your eyes and having your first aware or memory in another distinctly different reality. That is a direct result of the actions of the previous you depending on compliance or noncompliance of the standards of "God". I do believe in an ultimate communion with God, and that you can eventually be "with" God and I do believe that is what God wants. I do believe in an eternal soul or concious despite what atheists as yourself or the natural sciences tell me, and that it's next destination is up to God. I for one like many believe that the Bible explains that path to God which deals in absolute purity and ultimate corruption of the soul and being Christian believe that corruption can be "cleansed" by asking for it, allowed for by the sacrifice of Jesus, "forgive them, for they know not what they do".
You believe that this is it?

oodles of noodles wrote:

<quoted text>psssh, So you believe in god but don't think he created life, or the universe or reality and has no impact on any of it. And you don't want to talk about it because....it's a secret? Do you tell your kids about your god? People's beliefs not based on science? So science isn't in the business of explaining reality? Or science is in the business of creating reality? Why are you scared to discuss your beliefs on God?

TedHOhio wrote:

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LOL ...typical response. I am not afraid of talking, I just pick and choose who I discuss such personal things with. You aren't on that list.
You remind me of a guy who just failed picking up a pretty girl in the bar. You go back over to your buddies and claim that she must be a lesbian! You can't accept the fact that she just doesn't want to have a drink with YOU!

Divine Alien wrote:

If one does not have Jesus in himself then one probably has a devil in himself.