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Apr 27, 2012
 
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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You should be feeling threatened. You are now perceived as a threat.
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And now you're the disease.
One of the funniest things about you(pl) is you hate mirrors. That must be from where the myth of vampires comes, that and your common attacks on everything good and right.

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Apr 27, 2012
 
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As you practice civility as others do not, I'll explain it...
Scripture clearly states that on the "sixth day" God created mankind, male and female. On the seventh day He rested. After resting, He saw that He had not created a man to perform agriculture and animal husbandry. He then created The Adam, someone not simply a hunter and reaper of already existent bountifulness. The Hebrew language clearly differentiates between men and women created on the sixth day and The man created later. Later, when Cain left and found a wife, he found her amongst the many people God had already created. Hope this helps.
Lets assume for a moment that indeed god created mankind on the 6th day and these humans were of many races. First of all why create multiple races right out of the box and second if the biblical god did this then why was bible to unknown to so many cultures for 1000's of years. Why did these cultures have a completely different explanation of life that in no way relates to the teachings of the bible.

Even today there are many small isolated tribes even today have little to no contact with outsiders much less theist who follow the judao-christian teachings. These tribes have lineages going back 10000 years or more. How is that these tribes are in the dark about the biblical god. Doesn't make sense. If all humans are the biblical gods children it seems odd that he wouldn't let everyone in on it equally. Sounds fishy if you ask me.
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Apr 27, 2012
 
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Why are you putting the word "concurrent" in there?
There are lots and lots of examples of evolution. It's measurable, demonstrable. We've done it in the lab. We've created new species in the lab - and some of the new species were two species to begin with, thereby demonstrating coevolution.
It's like you're telling me "there are no concurrent (sic) examples of roads." Sorry, baby, you're uneducated if you believe that.
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hahahah!!! You think someone woke up one day and discovered "shoot! I'm a human! Mom!!! Oh, you can't talk. You're an ape. Wow, this sucks. I'm the only one."
hahaha, no baby, evolution doesn't make that claim.
I'm changing your status now to "wildly uneducated."
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Yeah, we've got tons and tons and tons. There are so many, the debates right now center on how to categorize them. We have so many transition fossils that they *do not fit into our species categories.*
I know you don't understand me. You probably don't know how to define a species. You especially don't know how morphologists and paleoanthropologists define species. But you must know that ... let's see... in simple words:
biologists are people who study life
they classify (uh, that means "make groups") organisms (living things)
these groups are delineated (uh, that means "defined") based on whether the organisms can reproduce with each other
Got that?
Our classification categories are arbitrary. That means we decide them based on identifiers ("markers"...uhm...t hings that tell you what the organisms are like - bone shape, teeth shape, etc). We, humans, decide species categories. Animals don't come with little labels like they do in the zoo. They come just as they appear, that's all.
While I realize this this way beyond you, we have many, many fossil hominin (apes in the human phylogeny...uh...genetic lineage) that DO NOT FIT INTO OUR SPECIES CATEGORIES.
"Oh, why Hiding, what is that?" you ask.
Well, Sir, it's because they are TRANSITION FOSSILS in layman's terms.
We don't actually use the term "transition fossil" because that's just stupid. All individuals are transitions between something and something else - but of course you Creationists don't understand how genes work, and you can't think at a sophisticated level, but hey, that's the way it is.
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Education would really help you. It would teach things like:
- don't believe non-scientists when they make wild claims about biology
- when you read stuff from biased websites with religious and political aims - i.e., Creationist pages - you should approach them very skeptically. They have an agenda, which does not match with reality. Creationists want you to be stupid - and, wow, it's working in your case.
It doesn't have to. You could learn something about biology. But you won't. You're just going to keep listening to non-biologists, stupidly, and think "wow, this guy, he supports my religious beliefs. So if he tells me the world is only 6000 years old, well, gosh, it must be!"
Yes. Good luck to you, sir. And thank you for reading this far.
I used "concurrent" because you had used "concurrent."

You come up only with FOSSILS, not one current example of any type of transition happening. These FOSSILS are misinterpreted by your "scholarship" to be something they are not. Your whole academic reality is based upon arranging questionable fossils and data to validate your preconceived assumptions to maintain funding from politicos of like mind.

“The eye has it...”

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Apr 27, 2012
 
Vincent wrote:
<quoted text>I'm a nice Christian... But I still don't understand how bashing ONE RELIGION offers any proof or even evidence that God does not exists. If that is your logic, then your foundation of atheism must be pretty weak.
Make no mistake, EB, there is just as glaring of a lack of proof for the Hindu deities(although, I've really not looked into every single one of the thousands plus deities they reportedly have). I've looked at the beliefs surrounding Quetzalcoatl. Nope, no proof. I've looked at many deity beliefs. None, based on the evidence they've offered or I've been able to access, have any valid deity claims.

It probably looks like we focus on Christianity because, well guess what?

None of those other beliefs seem to be plagued with the amount of zealots Christianity apparently has.

So, yeah, if you didn't know any better(now you do), you probably would be thinking(?) that we are focused just on Christianity.

When, in reality, it just so happens Christianity is full of zealots who really get butthurt that atheists don't believe in their deity.

Forgetting, all the while, that more than two thirds of the world feel that your deity isn't real, either.

Doesn't that suck?

So, tell me, when is the last time you went to a Hindu thread and and told them about the Jesus?

When was the last time you badgered a Sikh?

Molested a Mullah?(ooops!...not an overt reference to the problems you guys are having in Catholicism & Protestantism)

We've had Sikhs and Hindu, and blah, blah, blah >insert deity name here< believers here on occasion.

Admittedly, your deity belief is the weakest of them all, however, none of the other believers in the other imaginary and mythical deities like your own are as persistently obnoxious as you, so, as you can imagine, we've gotten quite good at picking your beliefs apart. Practice make perfect.

We've nailed your deity belief down.

But, don't feel bad. The other deities have the same amount of evidence or proof as yours.

None.
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Apr 27, 2012
 
"Admittedly"??? This word alone shows the illogic of such an ass.

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That guy was great.
He became a Facebook friend of mine, and I couldn't insult him in the same way after that. It's the reverse of Christian dehumanizing of godless atheists and gay abominations, which makes pummeling both groups easier.
Here's a stroll down mammary lane (please read several posts on this page): http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
Man.... Thanks. I've bookmarked that page(S). Some good laughs on those pages. Mr. Arkansas was actually okay(coughs). There have been some good times on this forum, and you know?




THANK YOU THEISTS!

Where would we be without you....?..!

Okay, forget I asked that.

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Bringmedinner wrote:
"Admittedly"??? This word alone shows the illogic of such an ass.
Don't be angry.
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Lets assume for a moment that indeed god created mankind on the 6th day and these humans were of many races. First of all why create multiple races right out of the box and second if the biblical god did this then why was bible to unknown to so many cultures for 1000's of years. Why did these cultures have a completely different explanation of life that in no way relates to the teachings of the bible.
Even today there are many small isolated tribes even today have little to no contact with outsiders much less theist who follow the judao-christian teachings. These tribes have lineages going back 10000 years or more. How is that these tribes are in the dark about the biblical god. Doesn't make sense. If all humans are the biblical gods children it seems odd that he wouldn't let everyone in on it equally. Sounds fishy if you ask me.
Scripture didn't get written (that we know) until Moses and his direct contact with God. Prior to that, but in its revelations, we see many Laws established by God and operative, so Enoch, e.g., "walking with God" shows that original truthes had been established. Why these were not following to the existent peoples "in the land of Nod" is because God's instruction in Eden didn't follow until Cain left. Cain was a child of Satan, so distorted everything before and after leaving Eden. The people in "Nod" were berry gatherers and hunters, some could say rather stupid only because they didn't have it in them to farm, etc. The different races came from the creators. God said "let US" make man in "OUR" image. Thus, those beings helping Him were of different "races", or were out of touch with each other and variably related to the already existent creation. Many distorted Christian teachings have come up with absurd, racist and contradictory explanations of the races, as all original truth is always distorted by failed mankind.

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Apr 27, 2012
 
CTEd wrote:
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Good thing too, my 401K can't handle everlasting life.
Have you heard of a 501(k)? From Urban Dictionary:

When one’s economic situation has become so tenuous that their entire net worth is in the pockets of their jeans.

“Sorry, bro, can’t go drinking tonight, the wife raided my 501k.”

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Vincent wrote:
<quoted text>With all due respect... Are you telling me that you can do genetic analysis on a fossil? Also, how do they know something is 65,000 years old? I read on a creationist website that modern penguins have been carbon 14 dated at 8,000 years (living birds?). If this is true, how can you be sure that a neanderthal is 65 million years old when they obviously got the penguin wrong?
"I read on a creationist website..."

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Bringmedinner wrote:
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Scripture didn't get written (that we know) until Moses and his direct contact with God. Prior to that, but in its revelations, we see many Laws established by God and operative, so Enoch, e.g., "walking with God" shows that original truthes had been established. Why these were not following to the existent peoples "in the land of Nod" is because God's instruction in Eden didn't follow until Cain left. Cain was a child of Satan, so distorted everything before and after leaving Eden. The people in "Nod" were berry gatherers and hunters, some could say rather stupid only because they didn't have it in them to farm, etc. The different races came from the creators. God said "let US" make man in "OUR" image. Thus, those beings helping Him were of different "races", or were out of touch with each other and variably related to the already existent creation. Many distorted Christian teachings have come up with absurd, racist and contradictory explanations of the races, as all original truth is always distorted by failed mankind.
Why would a god create sentient beings outside of his perfect Eden? Sounds kinda prickish huh?

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Apr 27, 2012
 
Reality check!
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Shove your superiority complex! You religion has nothing on Eastern philosophy which has for longer than your religion shown a code of ethics that should make you hang your head in shame. If I am to take any morality, my last choice would be your scandalous and abominably demented system.

Share with us please the morality of the church that is responsible for more death and suffering than any secular institution could ever dream of. Shall we focus first on pedophilia, genocide, torture, mercantilism, pillaging or sexism?
If our society had learned our moral values from the great "popeocracy" then we'd have completely eliminated all Native americans, slavery would still be legal, witches would be burning, babies heads would get crushed regularly due to physical abnormality, condoms and alcohol would be illegal. I'm sure the USA would be a wonderland if an egomaniac like yourself was in control.

But lets face it, your religion is nothing but a nail in the tire, a thorn in our side and a plague on humanity. History, will prove time and time again the religion is the most destructive impetus of civilization.

Nations like the USA rise because of our refusal to bow to the church and the religious fundamentalists who retard the progress of humanity. Any system (Christian religion) that hesitates 20 years to acknowledge AIDS as a pandemic, donates money to governments that support the murder of homosexuals, turns a blind eye to female genital mutilation and prostitution, absolves pedophiles, and is responsible for torturing and murdering tens of millions.... is NOT the MORAL system I want in the USA.

I have seen your godliness and I can say that it is a historical mountain of rotting brown skinned corpses dedicated to a self-serving corrupt and deviant power-hungry emasculating band of sociopaths.
Nice post. Several posters have shown an unwillingness to be characterized as inferiors and reprobates by Christians.

You Christians should take note. The times they are a-changin'.

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Apr 27, 2012
 
Vincent wrote:
Will someone tell me how bashing Christianity proves that there is o God?
It doesn't. Christianity is a disease. It needs to be mitigated.

Plus, we're past the god thing. That's not really any more an issue with skeptics than evolution is.
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Apr 27, 2012
 
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<quoted text>Why would a god create sentient beings outside of his perfect Eden? Sounds kinda prickish huh?
All souls and beings were created before the Earth itself. Your soul is here to find its way back to God.

God created diversity and variety. Those original berry pickers and hunters were likely operative atheists... people, who for whatever reason rejected God. We don't find any atheist farmers, except maybe the corporate owners never having their hands in soil, or those thinking growing weeds is productive.
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Apr 27, 2012
 
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Reality check!
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Nice post. Several posters have shown an unwillingness to be characterized as inferiors and reprobates by Christians.
You Christians should take note. The times they are a-changin'.
The post you included and your own thoughts are patently ridiculous.

In one hundred years of recent history alone, the operative atheist, secular ideologies have intentionally murdered more people, than any religion, or series of wars in all of human history put together. Repeat... IN ONE HUNDRED YEARS!

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Apr 27, 2012
 
Ebeasley wrote:
Do you honestly believe that the culture of the people who lived so long ago and wrote those scriptures is identical to our own?
No I do not.
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Do you also think that they were written to be read literally or more like our culture which is concrete?
I think that a god would write literally and concretely, especially for primitive goatherds and the like. Instructions for life, like instructions for anything else, should not be poetry.
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The people who lived in that part of the world at that time spoke that way but did not mean it the way it comes out to our generations.
Maybe they did. How does a god speak? The point is that the book is fraudulent if it claims to be more than mundane literature. It obviously was written by men and not a god for all the reasons you mention.
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You have clearly not studied the ancient peoples who wrote those things or you would not come up with the conclusions you have.
I'm not interested in things written by ancient people. I'm interested in demonstrating that your bible was written by ancient people and reflects their limitations.

BTW, you just made the list at number [19]

REASONS GIVEN WHY SKEPTICS AREN'T QUALIFIED TO COMMENT ON THE BIBLE'S FLAWS

[1] I took the scripture out of context. It means something other than what it says (context and implied meaning never supplied).
[2] I don't understand literary criticism
[3] It's an allegory, not literal.
[4] It's literal, not an allegory.
[5] Scripture is only transparent to those with a child's perspective
[6] Scripture is only transparent to biblical scholars
[7] I am not filled with the Holy Spirit
[8] That's the mystery of it all. "God works in mysterious ways"
[9] Man's mind is too puny to grasp the immensity of God's truth and justice.
[10] You were obviously never a "true christian"
[11] You don't have enough faith. You have to believe to understand.
[12] You can’t criticize the bible because you don’t believe or understand it.
[13] Why do we think we can pretend to know God?
[14] Scripture always interprets scripture
[15] Ever heard of biblical hermeneutics?
[16] You are not TRULY with truth and sincerity seeking God.
[17] You have to know how to translate Hebrew and Greek
[18] You are using a completely unsupportable transliteration of Scripture
[19] You have clearly not studied the ancient peoples who wrote those things or you would not come up with the conclusions you have.
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Bringmedinner wrote:
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All souls and beings were created before the Earth itself. Your soul is here to find its way back to God.
God created diversity and variety. Those original berry pickers and hunters were likely operative atheists... people, who for whatever reason rejected God. We don't find any atheist farmers, except maybe the corporate owners never having their hands in soil, or those thinking growing weeds is productive.
Oh so funny....My family has had a family farm since 1854....I have a garden which is almost 2 acres......

MY WHOLE FAMILY IS ATHEIST..........My Grandpa taught gardening to people during WW2 for "victory" gardens...HE WAS AN ATHEIST........

Just another full of crap statement.......YOUR SUCH A LIAR.......YOU FLYING JEW HATES LYING....LOL

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The post you included and your own thoughts are patently ridiculous.
In one hundred years of recent history alone, the operative atheist, secular ideologies have intentionally murdered more people, than any religion, or series of wars in all of human history put together. Repeat... IN ONE HUNDRED YEARS!
Again, it wasn't athiests doing all the killing. it was your fellow christians. so sad.

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<quoted text>It takes humility and spirituality to understand the Bible... Traits that atheists apparently don't have.
There's [20] on the excuses parade. That's three new entries in one day. That list is over two years old.
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<quoted text>Again, it wasn't athiests doing all the killing. it was your fellow christians. so sad.
Deny it all you want, but it has been atheist and secular type ideologies that have intentionally killed more people in a hundred years than religions of any kind have killed in all of human history.

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