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Nov 2, 2008 | Posted by: lois sprague

Mother is denied pill by Muslim pharmacist

Full story: www.telegraph.co.uk

Ruth Johnson, 33, who has two children, including a month-old baby, had not been using her usual method of contraception with her fiance.

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William

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Nov 2, 2008
 
How can it be acceptable for a pharmacist to decide not to sell an item because their religion forbids it.

What happens when a pharmacist refuses to sell any item to a customer based upon the idea that their religion forbids them to sell to people of the customer's religion?

At that point the man behind the counter is no longer a pharmacist, but a dangerous religious fanatic.

This particular nutjob has expressed to the world quite clearly that he is not interested in doing his job as a pharmacist.

We should take him at his word and relieve him of his pharmacist duties.

And we will wish him well in the career of his own choosing as a employee of the church of his choice.

I feel the same way about so-called christians that do the same thing.

The government that would allow this travesty is guilty of condoning religious bigotry.
kathy

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Nov 2, 2008
 
go to another pharmacy.
kathy

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Nov 2, 2008
 
Go to another pharmacy.
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Nov 2, 2008
 
go to another pharmacy
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Nov 3, 2008
 

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kathy wrote:
go to another pharmacy.
no, that pharmacist needs to find another job

you cannot cherry pick from the public who you serve

nor can you cherry pick from the services that go with the job what you will offer

in many towns, there is not the option of another pharmacy
kathy

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Nov 4, 2008
 
nina wrote:
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no, that pharmacist needs to find another job
you cannot cherry pick from the public who you serve
nor can you cherry pick from the services that go with the job what you will offer
in many towns, there is not the option of another pharmacy
Was that really the ONLY pharmacy in town???
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Nov 4, 2008
 
"Her concern is that the policy could deter teenage girls from seeking the morning-after pill"
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Maybe the policy will deter teenage girls from seeking night-before activity.
nina

Ottawa, Canada

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Nov 5, 2008
 
kathy wrote:
<quoted text> Was that really the ONLY pharmacy in town???
it doesn't matter if it was or not - this is the pharmacy she went to and the services at pharmacies are not allowed to vary from place to place

whould you support a scientologist pharmacist to refuse to dispense anti-depressants?

if the pharmacist can't do their job - which is to dispense what over the counter medications a person requests or perscriptions issued

then they need to find a new line of work

it is not appropriate to force your morals on another person

Much like, if it's against your beleief to consume alcohol, you don't get a job at a liquor store

this is a violation of her rights and privacy

and his particular morals do not override her right of medical treatments
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Nov 5, 2008
 
nina wrote:
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it doesn't matter if it was or not - this is the pharmacy she went to and the services at pharmacies are not allowed to vary from place to place
whould you support a scientologist pharmacist to refuse to dispense anti-depressants?
if the pharmacist can't do their job - which is to dispense what over the counter medications a person requests or perscriptions issued
then they need to find a new line of work
it is not appropriate to force your morals on another person
Much like, if it's against your beleief to consume alcohol, you don't get a job at a liquor store
this is a violation of her rights and privacy
and his particular morals do not override her right of medical treatments
It's not appropriate to oppose your morals on the pharmacist. Aren't there plenty of pharmacist who would dispense this prescription to the woman? What comparison is there between anti-depressants and the morning-after pill?? One makes a person better and the other deliberately,90% of the cases,causes the death of a defenseless person. Is the morning-after pill lifesaving???
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Nov 5, 2008
 
Wouldn't the woman have the ability to go to another pharmacy, Planned Parenthood, her doctor??? Is the pharmacist calling her an evil woman or telling her she's going to hell??? I think not. He just doesn't want to participate in this woman's actions. Is she helpless???
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nina wrote:
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it doesn't matter if it was or not - this is the pharmacy she went to and the services at pharmacies are not allowed to vary from place to place
whould you support a scientologist pharmacist to refuse to dispense anti-depressants?
if the pharmacist can't do their job - which is to dispense what over the counter medications a person requests or perscriptions issued
then they need to find a new line of work
it is not appropriate to force your morals on another person
Much like, if it's against your beleief to consume alcohol, you don't get a job at a liquor store
this is a violation of her rights and privacy
and his particular morals do not override her right of medical treatments
Since when is contraception medical treatment??? Is reproduction considered an illness or an unhealthy condition???
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Nov 5, 2008
 
kathy wrote:
<quoted text> It's not appropriate to oppose your morals on the pharmacist. What comparison is there between anti-depressants and the morning-after pill??
it's not my morals, it's the ethical requirements of their profession

the comparason is that a Scientologist - a recognised religion in the US

is morally opposed to anti-depressants

so, if you support a Muslim or Xtain pharmacist from not filling a customer request for the morning after pill

then you personally have to support the Scientologist

why are you denying the scientologist the same religious consideration as teh Mulsim/Xtian

maybe it's because you jsut agree with the antiabortion, but not with the anti-depressant stance

that's why an individual' religion cannot dictate what service they provide in their professional ethics

the ethics vary from religion to religion

and should not be imposed on a non-beleiver of that religion
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kathy wrote:
<quoted text> Since when is contraception medical treatment??? Is reproduction considered an illness or an unhealthy condition???
the morning after pill is a medical treatment

it is used after a woman is raped or to ensure no implantation after non-safe sex

reproduction for some people can result in illness - gestational diabetes for example,

preganacy is not a woman's normal state of being

it's a natural process, but it is not the normal state

so contraception is a medical method of remaining in a normal state of being
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nina wrote:
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it's not my morals, it's the ethical requirements of their profession
the comparason is that a Scientologist - a recognised religion in the US
is morally opposed to anti-depressants
so, if you support a Muslim or Xtain pharmacist from not filling a customer request for the morning after pill
then you personally have to support the Scientologist
why are you denying the scientologist the same religious consideration as teh Mulsim/Xtian
maybe it's because you jsut agree with the antiabortion, but not with the anti-depressant stance
that's why an individual' religion cannot dictate what service they provide in their professional ethics
the ethics vary from religion to religion
and should not be imposed on a non-beleiver of that religion
Are we talking about Scientology??? As for me, I'm talking about someone staying out of something they don't believe is right? Are you saying that following your own conscience is only for those who are pro-morning-after pill???
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Nov 6, 2008
 
kathy wrote:
<quoted text> Are we talking about Scientology??? As for me, I'm talking about someone staying out of something they don't believe is right? Are you saying that following your own conscience is only for those who are pro-morning-after pill???
we are talking about whether one person's religious beleifs should be able to override their profession's ethics and responsibilities

so, a pharmacist who is a scientologist would be against dispensing anti-depressants - they are morally opposed to their use

if you support a muslim/xtian pharmacist from dispensing morning after pills because of their religious morals

then why do you personally not support the scientologist from doing the the same?

both are imposing their religious moral beleif on the customer

who, under their professional code of ethcs, they are required to dispense either medication

if a person's personal/religious ethics are at odds with their professional ethics and code of conduct

doesn't it make more sense for them to find another profession?

why should the customer, who has a reasonable expectation of service, ahve to then travel from pharmacy to pharmacy in hopes of finding someone who is capable of performing their duty in accordance with their professional code?

what if that was the only pharmacy in town?

are the pharamcies in the US linked, so a new pharamacist can ensure the medication isn't contraindacted with other medicines she may be using - or allergies?

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Nov 6, 2008
 
kathy wrote:
<quoted text> Since when is contraception medical treatment??? Is reproduction considered an illness or an unhealthy condition???
my insurance company covers the costs therefore it is medical treatment

to some women, it is an incredible illness or unhealthy condition

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Nov 7, 2008
 
Why is this pharmacist working as a pharmacist when he had a problem with being a pharmacist?

I'm surprised that this people don't loose their license for doing things like this.
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Nov 7, 2008
 
frankhou77 wrote:
Why is this pharmacist working as a pharmacist when he had a problem with being a pharmacist?
I'm surprised that this people don't loose their license for doing things like this.
Kathy, like other religious posters,

disappear when logic and reason is introduced in the discussion

as she is unable to extend her demand for moral conduct, when the other person's morals (but same basis) is in contradiction to hers
kathy

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Nov 7, 2008
 
nina wrote:
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Kathy, like other religious posters,
disappear when logic and reason is introduced in the discussion
as she is unable to extend her demand for moral conduct, when the other person's morals (but same basis) is in contradiction to hers
I think you meant "religious imposters" not "religious posters." What do you mean by "religious imposter"? Do you mean fake religious person? What do you think is being faked or falsified? There are many pharmacists who agree with your belief system and would fill her prescription.
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Nov 7, 2008
 
nina wrote:
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the morning after pill is a medical treatment
it is used after a woman is raped or to ensure no implantation after non-safe sex
reproduction for some people can result in illness - gestational diabetes for example,
preganacy is not a woman's normal state of being
it's a natural process, but it is not the normal state
so contraception is a medical method of remaining in a normal state of being
Morning-after pills are medical treatment against what sickness? You should ask a physician if pregnancy is a sickness. Contraception means "against"(contra) "conception" Basic science shows that conception happens in the fallopian tubes before implantation in the uterine wall. Therefore, a child has been conceive and is not allowed to implant in the uterine wall. That makes the morning-after pill ABORT-ifacient(abortion). Those are the FACTS stated to you LOGICALLY.

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