Gingrich Blasts Obama's Birth Control Policy

i'm no longer paying federal or state taxes knowing that my tax dollars go to support faith based iniciatives. my faith teaches that catholics and christians are abominations and i cannot in my conscience support them. it just violates my 1st ammendment rights

ScoutS wrote:

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The only ones who were pissed about the new rule were the church elders. Even Catholic women use birth control. I think organized religion needs to put their big girl panties on and update the rules they live by.

LOL!

Right on!

ScoutS wrote:

<quoted text>The only ones who were pissed about the new rule were the church elders. Even Catholic women use birth control. I think organized religion needs to put their big girl panties on and update the rules they live by.

so now the gov is telling the church what they should believe or not?? That is what the first Amendment is all about.

Obammy tried to put on michelles big girl panties but they fit Air Force One

ScoutS wrote:

<quoted text>If the church is going to restrict people's rights, they should be TAXED, just like any other business.

they are not restricting anyone's rights.

ScoutS wrote:

<quoted text>Excluding women from being covered for birth control if THEY CHOOSE to use it,
while at the same time allowing their insurance carriers to cover such drugs as Viagra
is just insane. No one's asking them to cover abortions, but birth control, really?

the church doesn't believe in BC. It isn't the gov place to tell them what to believe. Not paying for someone's BC is not denying them anything. Those people are free to purchase their own BC with their own funds.

ScoutS wrote:

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Correction...those WOMEN are free to purchase it. Do you have any idea how much it cost?
It's denying them a very important part of healthcare insurance. The "church" or whomever
is anti birth control doesn't have to use it. It should be up to the individual.

Again, who's being denied anything?

"Access" equals "free" now? Since when?

"It should be up to the individual." That's what mcgruff said, isn't it?

ScoutS wrote:

<quoted text>Correction...those WOMEN are free to purchase it. Do you have any idea how much it cost?
It's denying them a very important part of healthcare insurance. The "church" or whomever
is anti birth control doesn't have to use it. It should be up to the individual.

it is irrelevant how much it cost. It is up to the individual. It is not up to the church to buy it for you.

Dan wrote:

<quoted text>Again, who's being denied anything?

"Access" equals "free" now? Since when?

"It should be up to the individual." That's what mcgruff said, isn't it?

yes it is Dan.

Salamander is the biggest effing hypocrite on the planet. He witch hunted Clinton for an affair when he himself was doing much worse. Oh, but he was horny for America, I forgot.

ScoutS wrote:

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They're not "buying" it for you. It's merely a part of their healthcare insurance coverage.
If someone feels they are anti-contraception, it's their choice not to request it from their doctor.

Scout-

How does one procure a heath insurance policy (or any insurance policy)?

Do you :

1.) trade for it with fur pelts, cor or beads

OR

2.) Purchase it and maintain coverage via premium payments (that'd be with money, Scout)

ScoutS wrote:

<quoted text>They're not "buying" it for you. It's merely a part of their healthcare insurance coverage.
If someone feels they are anti-contraception, it's their choice not to request it from their doctor.

if the church is paying for the insurance then they are purchasing it for you. Keep trying and maybe you will be able to even convince yourself.

Say what you want,McGruff , Justice Scalia disagrees with you
www.dailykos.com
"In this country the government doesn't get to tell you or your organization what your religious views are – and they could well be minority views – but the Bill of Rights is designed to protect the minority from the will of the majority," McConnell said on CBS's "Face the Nation."...Justice Antonin Scalia, writing the majority decision in Employment Division v. Smith:

We have never held that an individual's religious beliefs excuse him from compliance with an otherwise valid law prohibiting conduct that the State is free to regulate. On the contrary, the record of more than a century of our free exercise jurisprudence contradicts that proposition.

Furthermore,

When followers of a particular sect enter into commercial activity as a matter of choice, the limits they accept on their own conduct as a matter of conscience and faith are not to be superimposed on the statutory schemes which are binding on others in that activity.

In other words, if they want to be members of American society, the Catholic bishops have to live by the rules of American society. "

Can I see a show of hands on who wants Associate Justice Antonin Scalia to ring McGruff and the Catholic bishops and tell them ?

frontporchreactionary wrote:

Say what you want,McGruff , Justice Scalia disagrees with you
www.dailykos.com
"In this country the government doesn't get to tell you or your organization what your religious views are – and they could well be minority views – but the Bill of Rights is designed to protect the minority from the will of the majority," McConnell said on CBS's "Face the Nation."...Justice Antonin Scalia, writing the majority decision in Employment Division v. Smith:
We have never held that an individual's religious beliefs excuse him from compliance with an otherwise valid law prohibiting conduct that the State is free to regulate. On the contrary, the record of more than a century of our free exercise jurisprudence contradicts that proposition.
Furthermore,
When followers of a particular sect enter into commercial activity as a matter of choice, the limits they accept on their own conduct as a matter of conscience and faith are not to be superimposed on the statutory schemes which are binding on others in that activity.
In other words, if they want to be members of American society, the Catholic bishops have to live by the rules of American society. "
Can I see a show of hands on who wants Associate Justice Antonin Scalia to ring McGruff and the Catholic bishops and tell them ?

Who's McConnell?

The Catholics aren't smoking peyote, so I'm not sure where you're going with the "employment Division vs. Smith" deal.

It's not illegal now to NOT cover BC in group health policies.

It will be when this mandate hits, I guess, but it isn't now.

Source the Scalia comment.

The absurdity of the Catholic Church’s view is based on scriptures thousands of yeas old.
The anti birth control message is reiterated over and over by Catholic Church leaders. Clement of Alexandria (AD195) says, "Because of its divine institution for the propagation of man, the seed is not to be vainly ejaculated, nor is it to be damaged, nor is it to be wasted". You can find the messages against birth control over and over again through the Catholic Church's history. Believers are told to receive every new life as a gift from God. They should not abstain, they should not withdraw, they should not take other preventative measures. They should actively seek to have as many children as possible. The more children that Catholic families have, the more Catholics there are to spread that way of life and to pay the church's tithes.
This brings to mind the "Every Sperm is Sacred" song from Monty Python's "The Meaning of Life" movie.
The Jewish faith believes fully in the ban on contraception.
Hindus have a community view towards birth control. That is, if the children will help the community, that is fine, but if the area is overpopulated, it is more proper to restrict the number of new children.
Ironically, Islam seems to have a rather reasonable stand on birth control. Islam allows birth control when used to "pace out" pregnancies - i.e. to delay pregnancy until you are settled in an appropriate place to raise the children, or to space out children so you can properly care for each one.

ScoutS wrote:

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Then they shouldn't hire people who don't follow EVERY LETTER OF THE BIBLE.
It's just another excuse for the "church" to be sticking their noses into people's bedrooms instead of worrying about more important issues.

Well, that settles it.

Nice return, Scout.

IF defeated on the issue, just attack them.

frontporchreactionary wrote:

Say what you want,McGruff , Justice Scalia disagrees with you
www.dailykos.com
"In this country the government doesn't get to tell you or your organization what your religious views are – and they could well be minority views – but the Bill of Rights is designed to protect the minority from the will of the majority," McConnell said on CBS's "Face the Nation."...Justice Antonin Scalia, writing the majority decision in Employment Division v. Smith:

We have never held that an individual's religious beliefs excuse him from compliance with an otherwise valid law prohibiting conduct that the State is free to regulate. On the contrary, the record of more than a century of our free exercise jurisprudence contradicts that proposition.

Furthermore,

When followers of a particular sect enter into commercial activity as a matter of choice, the limits they accept on their own conduct as a matter of conscience and faith are not to be superimposed on the statutory schemes which are binding on others in that activity.

In other words, if they want to be members of American society, the Catholic bishops have to live by the rules of American society. "

Can I see a show of hands on who wants Associate Justice Antonin Scalia to ring McGruff and the Catholic bishops and tell them ?

you take that put of context. Scalia doesn't agree with you.

frontporchreactionary wrote:

Say what you want,McGruff , Justice Scalia disagrees with you
www.dailykos.com
"In this country the government doesn't get to tell you or your organization what your religious views are – and they could well be minority views – but the Bill of Rights is designed to protect the minority from the will of the majority," McConnell said on CBS's "Face the Nation."...Justice Antonin Scalia, writing the majority decision in Employment Division v. Smith:

We have never held that an individual's religious beliefs excuse him from compliance with an otherwise valid law prohibiting conduct that the State is free to regulate. On the contrary, the record of more than a century of our free exercise jurisprudence contradicts that proposition.

Furthermore,

When followers of a particular sect enter into commercial activity as a matter of choice, the limits they accept on their own conduct as a matter of conscience and faith are not to be superimposed on the statutory schemes which are binding on others in that activity.

In other words, if they want to be members of American society, the Catholic bishops have to live by the rules of American society. "

Can I see a show of hands on who wants Associate Justice Antonin Scalia to ring McGruff and the Catholic bishops and tell them ?

the rules of American Society start with the constitution. The other laws can not violate the constitution. Obammys healthscam violates it on several fronts.

ScoutS wrote:

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Time for the church to deal in reality a bit. 99% of Catholic women use birth control.

Neither you nor I nor President Obama gets to decide when the Church has to change or ignore its teachings.

McGruff wrote:

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you take that put of context. Scalia doesn't agree with you.

Noticed-

He even mispasted "McConnell" into it.

ScoutS wrote:

<quoted text>Then they shouldn't hire people who don't follow EVERY LETTER OF THE BIBLE.
It's just another excuse for the "church" to be sticking their noses into people's bedrooms instead of worrying about more important issues.

or they can demand their constitutional rights and not pay for BC. The church isn't sticking their nose anywhere. Not paying for something isn't sticking their nose somewhere. Your argument has no merit because you distort the truth and tell lies.