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Churm, as nice as this theory is, I prefer the one that MAN can do something about. Otherwise it is just waiting for the bomb to drop, I'd rather be building a bomb shelter while waiting. The Artic ice caps have melted more this year in 1500 yrs and 1000's of scientists from all over the world from Russia, Europe & the USA say its being accelerated by man. I prefer to go with them, besides that they are also saying that very event will have a dramatic effect on weather patterns now. So rainfall will shift to where you don't want it and no rain where you do. Plus more violent storms etc etc. If we at least attempt to make an effort to turn that around although it may be too late at least we die trying.
http://www.zetatalk.com/newsle tr/issue226.htm This is a kinda Zany loonie website. however they do provide a pletoria of info about Current eart change events and the pole shift. Like all info sites some is true and some incorrect. Glean what you can and make up your own mind.
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<quoted text>they sign these big trade agreements and send our jobs to other countries. Listen to what Donald Trump has to say about our bad trade agreements. And, if the government is not responsible for creating jobs then everyone needs to stop repeating the Fox crapola about Obama isn't creating enough jobs. People want the government to keep the price of gas low magically while oil is ending, they want the government to create jobs for them, they want the government to keep the price of food super low, they want the government to pay for them to live retired and give them health care for as long as they are retired, they want free rest homes from the government for their parents, they want war after war to protect them, and then this is the same group of people who says they want smaller government and less spending and who claims they want the government out of their lives. They want the government to do everything for them and they do not want to pay for it.
No, they want what they invested in.

We have no option on whether or not we want SS or Medicare. It's deducted from our paychecks regardless of our will. So when we work out entire live to support this mandate, certainly we want something back.

Trade agreements have nothing to do with private industry. If our federal government signed not one trade agreement, it does not stop a business from relocating overseas. These company relocations have been taking place for decades. They started during the Nixon era when unions became an organization of leaches demanding superior pay to do the job of a monkey.

Government does not create jobs. Republicans have repeated this nearly every time they are asked. But what we do realize is government plays a part. When government gets too expensive with taxation, regulation, and various other hurdles, it hampers the private market from creating jobs. So when we say "Obama didn't create enough jobs" what we are really saying is he (as an elected official) did not make it inviting for the private market to create jobs in our country.
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<quoted text>A few years before Russia collapsed the rich were taking all the wealth like nothing that had been seen before in Russia. Notice how Bush did the same thing, the rich saw their incomes go up 450 percent, all the wealth ended up in the hands of one percent of the population, he did it with war profits, oil profits, free drugs to seniors and to African countries. All crony capitalism. And they did it with Wall Street, the Fed giving the banks all that money to hand out, no regulation of what those on Wall Street were doing. So that tells us the rich knew the U.S. would collapse, so they did a run on all the wealth of the nation before it collapsed. Did you hear the rich moved $27 trillion of their money out of the U.S. this year? That shows they know the dollar is going to collapse soon.
No, it shows they are hiding their money from DumBama and the federal government. They don't want to deal with new taxes. They don't want to deal with Commie Care. They don't want to do business in a nation so far in debt with no end in sight. That's why they are getting their money the hell out of here.
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<quoted text>Nope. People would own the wind mills on their land and own the solar panels on their land, so the big oil and gas companies would not own you, not own OUR oil. Did you know most of the oil left in the U.S. is on government land, meaning we own it and we could drill it up to pay off our debt? Did you know most of the remaining world oil is owned by nations, by the people of countries, it is nationalized? The value of an oil company is how much reserves are out there, if nations own their own oil and those nations don't like us, the oil companies go out of business, which is why Bush invaded Iraq to take that oil for Exxon and BP to control it so they don't go out of business since oil is running out, and that is why they want to invade Iran, to get the nationalized oil in Iran. If you add in the cost of the oil wars, we are paying trillions for for gas than you think we are. the minute China tries to grow again, the price of oil goes right back to $150 a gallon, so get ready for $7 a gallon gas for good.
Oh, I guess it had absolutely nothing to do with the fact Saddam has been a pain in our ass for over 10 years before we invaded. Nor does it have to do with the fact Iran is creating nuclear weapons and WILL use that on Israel which would likely spark WWIII. It has to do with oil.

The world still has plenty of oil; at least another 100 years or more. Hell, the US alone could sustain herself for another 100 years of oil just within our borders.

What does it cost to remove a shingle roof, install solar panels, and have it weather sealed? How much money does it take to erect a windmill that would suffice a household or industry? What repairs and maintenance are needed, and how costly is that? And as Chum asked, what if there is no wind? What are we up north here in Cleveland supposed to do when snow covers our roofs for at least 1/3 of the year while the non-snow days offer cloudy coverage? How much investment will that take, pay off the loans with interest, and finally break even yet alone be ahead?

I don't know what it would cost to get a windmill, get the city approval, permits, worry about noise complaints from neighbors, have an electrician dig up my yard and driveway, install the electrical lines, and then replace my yard and have asphalt repair for what they dug up in the first place, but my electric bill averages around $50.00 per month. How many years would it take just to cover the instillation of such garbage?
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<quoted text>that's true. At last, we agree. Our political system is screwed up in that it began promising people government money in exchange for people's votes. It's the same problem in the European countries. they did this for a long time, so they were borrowing money to do it until they went broke from borrowing money and not being able to pay it back. I agree that the politicians should be governing, admistering the laws, protecting the country, not giving people money in exchange for votes. It's human nature. Look at Greece, Spain, the Scandanavian countries. They were all promised health care, early government pensions, SS, all kinds of things. Well, it all goes along for about one generation's lifetime, maybe 50 years or so, and then it goes under from debt.
You are right that John Kasich did the right thing. I heard him say to Neil Cavuto one time that we need entitlements for the 21st century, not for the second half of the 20th century, meaning, they had promised people big government pensions and early retirements back in the 1950s when folks lived to be 62, and when 80 million baby boomers were all working and paying taxes, they promised everyone SS and Medicare when people died at 62, when very few were on those things. Today it is 2012, today people live to be 80-100, today the baby boomers are leaving the work force and we don't have a big younger generation to carry the burden of paying those pensions and SS and Medicare to the baby boomers. Kasich is a good guy. He tried to put a stop to the huge state pensions. But you are right that everyone gets mad when the politicians are honest with the people and when the politicians don't give people money. The problem is eventually everyone ends up on the government with no one paying for any of it, and then the nation goes broke and everyone ends up having to get off of the government and everyone gets mad, then they get used to it. Before 1929, the Great Depression, there as no welfare, no GA cash, no food stamps, no free health care, no SS, no unemployment insurance,no Medicare. People saved their own money and they only had as many kids as they could afford to support themselves. That's how you get back to having no debt, you put an end to the government dependency programs, and it would also reduce the population overall and it would allow for the strongest to survive.
With that response, I would like to quote James Madison"

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution, that grants Congress a right, of expending on articles of benevolence, the money of their constituents."
Annals of Congress, 1794

What would our federal financial situation be if we only adhered to these words of James Madison? Not only would we not be in debt, they would have to lower our taxes because we would have such a surplus.
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Total BS. Reagan turned the USA from the world's largest creditor into the world's largest debtor.
No miracle, just poor Republiscum management...as usual.
Bush trashed the economy, losing 850,000 jobs A MONTH with GDP shrinking by 9%. That is not a Recession. That is DEPRESSION.
We are still working ourselves, slowly but surely, out of the BushHole but Ryan/Romney are trying to push us back in so they can bop us over the head and steal our money.
I thought you guys were working on the dreaded Bush F-ups three and a half years ago. I thought things would be better by now. Why are they worse? Why do we have the largest debt in US history? Why do we have the most government dependents in history? Why is unemployment still higher than when GW left office? Why are gasoline prices over double? Why do we have the largest deficit in history? Why are there less Americans working today than when GW left office?

I know blaming Bush is a great gimmick for you liberals, but to be honest, we were better off under Bush. And no matter how hard you try to make Romney into Bush, it does not negate the fact that when Bush left office, things were better than they are today.

Be a man. Own up to the fact your President is a total failure.
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Churm, as nice as this theory is, I prefer the one that MAN can do something about. Otherwise it is just waiting for the bomb to drop, I'd rather be building a bomb shelter while waiting. The Artic ice caps have melted more this year in 1500 yrs and 1000's of scientists from all over the world from Russia, Europe & the USA say its being accelerated by man. I prefer to go with them, besides that they are also saying that very event will have a dramatic effect on weather patterns now. So rainfall will shift to where you don't want it and no rain where you do. Plus more violent storms etc etc. If we at least attempt to make an effort to turn that around although it may be too late at least we die trying.
http://theextinctionprotocol.w ordpress.com/
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Churm, as nice as this theory is, I prefer the one that MAN can do something about. Otherwise it is just waiting for the bomb to drop, I'd rather be building a bomb shelter while waiting. The Artic ice caps have melted more this year in 1500 yrs and 1000's of scientists from all over the world from Russia, Europe & the USA say its being accelerated by man. I prefer to go with them, besides that they are also saying that very event will have a dramatic effect on weather patterns now. So rainfall will shift to where you don't want it and no rain where you do. Plus more violent storms etc etc. If we at least attempt to make an effort to turn that around although it may be too late at least we die trying.
The ice caps are melting because of increased volcanic activity, the magma is on the move because of the pole shift, Watch next time that we have a big CME from the sun that inpacts the earth, It effects the magnosphere . the magnsphere disturbance causes earthquakes & storms. The earthquakes cause volcanic activity, and it starts with the sun. the planetery alighnment set to occur in December only happens about every 3600 years, The last time that alignment happened was during the time of the exidous. check out the river in china that has turned red. the extinction protocol web site has the story. Wasnt their something about a river turning red during the exidous?

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<quoted text> The magnetic north pole shifted ove 40 miles in 2011. the south pole also shifted I dont know how much. You are nothing but a childish troll who is still giving me free rent in his head.
I cannot help it if you keep making incredibly silly, frequently bigoted posts on these threads AND are a rent deadbeat.

Pay up or evict yourself.
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I cannot help it if you keep making incredibly silly, frequently bigoted posts on these threads AND are a rent deadbeat.
Pay up or evict yourself.
The Extinction Protocol: 2012 and beyond 2012 and Earthchanges News events Skip to contentHomeBooks of ScienceLounge
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China’s Yangtze River mysteriously turns blood red
Posted on September 7, 2012 by The Extinction Protocol

September 7, 2012 – CHINA – For a river known as the “golden watercourse,” red is a strange color to see. Yet that’s the shade turning up in the Yangtze River and officials have no idea why. The red began appearing in the Yangtze, the longest and largest river in China and the third longest river in the world, yesterday near the city of Chongquing, where the Yangtze connects to the Jialin River. The Yangtze, called “golden” because of the heavy rainfall it receives year-round, runs through Chongqing, Southwest China’s largest industrial and commercial center, also known as the “mountain city” because of the hills and peaks upon which its many buildings and factories stand. The red color stopped some residents in their tracks. They put water from the river in bottles to save it. Fishermen and other workers who rely on the river for income kept going about their business, according to the UK’s Daily Mail. While the river’s red coloring was most pronounced near Chongqing it was also reported at several other points. Officials are reportedly investigating the cause.-ABC News

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<quoted text>The Extinction Protocol: 2012 and beyond 2012 and Earthchanges News events Skip to contentHomeBooks of ScienceLounge
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China’s Yangtze River mysteriously turns blood red
Posted on September 7, 2012 by The Extinction Protocol
September 7, 2012 – CHINA – For a river known as the “golden watercourse,” red is a strange color to see. Yet that’s the shade turning up in the Yangtze River and officials have no idea why. The red began appearing in the Yangtze, the longest and largest river in China and the third longest river in the world, yesterday near the city of Chongquing, where the Yangtze connects to the Jialin River. The Yangtze, called “golden” because of the heavy rainfall it receives year-round, runs through Chongqing, Southwest China’s largest industrial and commercial center, also known as the “mountain city” because of the hills and peaks upon which its many buildings and factories stand. The red color stopped some residents in their tracks. They put water from the river in bottles to save it. Fishermen and other workers who rely on the river for income kept going about their business, according to the UK’s Daily Mail. While the river’s red coloring was most pronounced near Chongqing it was also reported at several other points. Officials are reportedly investigating the cause.-ABC News
The Rio Tinto runs red. Iron or some other metallic pollution.

Who knows what the heck goes on in China. Are you channeling the Mayans again today.

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<quoted text> The ice caps are melting because of increased volcanic activity, the magma is on the move because of the pole shift, Watch next time that we have a big CME from the sun that inpacts the earth, It effects the magnosphere . the magnsphere disturbance causes earthquakes & storms. The earthquakes cause volcanic activity, and it starts with the sun. the planetery alighnment set to occur in December only happens about every 3600 years, The last time that alignment happened was during the time of the exidous. check out the river in china that has turned red. the extinction protocol web site has the story. Wasnt their something about a river turning red during the exidous?
Yeah I saw that, but it also could be to a chemical spill of ferric chloride. Knowing the Chinese it points more to that, I once saw a series of National Geographic pics taken using high res cameras high above. On those shots it displayed colours of the rainbow from chemicals being dumped into the river from factories. They have since stopped it now, but i would say nothing a few dollars couldn't fix to the local communist party rep.
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Costa Rica earthquake awakens Nicaraguan volcano, which last erupted in 50 B.C: alert level raised
Posted on September 8, 2012 by The Extinction Protocol
September 8, 2012 – MANAGUA – The Apoyeque Volcano, located northwest of the capital, was calm Friday, but officials continued monitoring it for volcanic tremors, a release from the Nicaraguan Institute of Territorial Studies (INETER) said. The agency registered 21 low-intensity volcano-related tremors between Thursday afternoon and Friday morning, prompting the government to issue a green advisory alert. Seismic activity near the volcano, located 10 kilometers northwest of Managua,“decreased Friday morning, but it doesn’t mean that it has disappeared,” INETER Geophysics Director Angélica Muńoz told reporters. She also announced that a group of experts will travel to the volcano to investigate the earthquakes causes. The volcanic tremors began after a magitude- 7.6 earthquake hit neighboring Costa Rica on Wednesday.–Tico Times
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@xxxrayted, "The United States Federal Government is not in charge of bringing jobs to the US or shipping jobs overseas. That's the role of the private market. " It looks like President Obama 's economic policies are going to break all records for helping the private sector create jobs in the US economy.(Over the dead bodies of the Tea Party 'No ' Congress and Republicans)

"Is the U.S. job market dismal as Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney says?
Or is it steadily improving as President Barack Obama contends?
Not to dodge the question, but both men are correct. It's all about how you slice the data.
Romney and his Republican allies like to point to the unemployment rate. It's stuck at 8.3 percent, compared with 7.8 percent when Obama took office. Most economists say "normal" unemployment is 6 percent or less.
Obama naturally prefers to stress the more than 4 million jobs the economy has added in the past 2 1/2 years....
Reagan managed to win a landslide re-election in 1984, when unemployment was a still-lofty 7.2 percent. But the rate had tumbled from a peak of 10.8 percent in December 1982.
A similar trend could benefit Obama. True, unemployment is historically high. But it's down from a peak of 10 percent in October 2009....
There's one clear area of improvement since Obama was inaugurated: Layoffs have plunged.
As Obama has often pointed out, more than 800,000 Americans lost their jobs in January 2009, the month he took office. That was the largest one-month drop in more than 60 years. The pain persisted for months: The economy shed 600,000 or more jobs each month from November 2008 through April 2009. A total of 4.5 million jobs were lost.... Since then, layoffs have dwindled. The economy is steadily adding jobs, however modestly.... In June, the most recent data available, employers posted 3.8 million available jobs. It was the most in four years - and 57 percent more than in July 2009, a month after the recession ended. Before the recession, job openings regularly topped 4 million. " -- from the AP article:
AP Article | The News Journal | Delawareonline.com

hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_JOB_MARKET... ;...

APARTMENTS; DELAWAREONLINE TV; CLASSIFIEDS ... How weak is US job market? Depends on your numbers . By CHRISTOPHER S. RUGABER AP …
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@xxxrayted, "The United States Federal Government is not in charge of bringing jobs to the US or shipping jobs overseas. That's the role of the private market. " It looks like President Obama 's economic policies are going to break all records for helping the private sector create jobs in the US economy.(Over the dead bodies of the Tea Party 'No ' Congress and Republicans)
"Is the U.S. job market dismal as Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney says?
Or is it steadily improving as President Barack Obama contends?
Not to dodge the question, but both men are correct. It's all about how you slice the data.
Romney and his Republican allies like to point to the unemployment rate. It's stuck at 8.3 percent, compared with 7.8 percent when Obama took office. Most economists say "normal" unemployment is 6 percent or less.
Obama naturally prefers to stress the more than 4 million jobs the economy has added in the past 2 1/2 years....
Reagan managed to win a landslide re-election in 1984, when unemployment was a still-lofty 7.2 percent. But the rate had tumbled from a peak of 10.8 percent in December 1982.
A similar trend could benefit Obama. True, unemployment is historically high. But it's down from a peak of 10 percent in October 2009....
There's one clear area of improvement since Obama was inaugurated: Layoffs have plunged.
As Obama has often pointed out, more than 800,000 Americans lost their jobs in January 2009, the month he took office. That was the largest one-month drop in more than 60 years. The pain persisted for months: The economy shed 600,000 or more jobs each month from November 2008 through April 2009. A total of 4.5 million jobs were lost.... Since then, layoffs have dwindled. The economy is steadily adding jobs, however modestly.... In June, the most recent data available, employers posted 3.8 million available jobs. It was the most in four years - and 57 percent more than in July 2009, a month after the recession ended. Before the recession, job openings regularly topped 4 million. " -- from the AP article:
AP Article | The News Journal | Delawareonline.com
hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_JOB_MARKET... ;...
APARTMENTS; DELAWAREONLINE TV; CLASSIFIEDS ... How weak is US job market? Depends on your numbers . By CHRISTOPHER S. RUGABER AP …
This is all fine and dandy except that when Obama brags about his figures, he fails to include how many jobs were lost during the same time period. Today, we still have less Americans working than when Obama took office. That's a fact.

Another fact is that if Obama just played golf his entire three and a half years and did nothing else, the economy would recover on it's own. So it's my contention that Obama got in the way of that recovery, and is embellishing in these half-truth job reports.

Okay, your crystal ball is no different than mine. But I base my opinion on the fact that DumBama is anti-business. Why do I say this? Because I don't remember one President before him who attacked private industry so frequently and so harshly. You name it--he attacked them. So if you're a capitalist or a business person, why make your move when you have an anti-capitalist anti-business President?

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@xxxrayted, "DumBama is anti-business." You've got that ass-backwards. On September 11 ,2008 the America Jobs Act was proposed by President Barack Obama- Create at least 2 million new jobs , including police, firemen, teachers, construction, and high tech.
-Offer tax credits to businesses hiring veterans.
-Provide a $1500 tax cut for the average American family
-Modernize public schools
-Raise capital for small businesses

AND REPUBLICANS BLOCKED IT ONE MONTH LATER
Remember next November 6!

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Remember how after 9/11 pretty much anything Bush wanted he got, the by-partisan co-operation. Now after 2008 this was a far greater threat to America than anything the Bin Laden clan could ever do. Yet when Obama was elected from the day he came into office the Republican party made it a mission that he should fail. Even stated it public, "that they would rather see the country bankrupt than see him in office" How patriotic is that ??
Then, magically this "tea party" movement appears out of nowhere and it attracts every racist, bigoted, ill informed collection of individuals to completely ruin the Republican party as a credible alternative. While I'm sure there are some decent tea partier's but like the OWS movement which was also high on principle it got lost with the extremists.
Why do you think you get posts from all over the world backing Obama, certainally not because he is the messiah. But just the alternative using the same failed policies allowing bad taxation & scams on the financial sector would have such a negative impact on western economies everywhere it would be a disaster. A US failure economically means EVERYONE fails. That is message trying get out, because the world is so interconnected these days with trade and commerce one BIG failure is like a tidal wave. We all saw that in 2008, so it's like the new cold war only this time everyone is arguing who the enemy is.

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@xxxrayted, " Because I don't remember one President before him who attacked private industry so frequently and so harshly." you must either a foreigner or a high school drop-out who never got the chance to take a American history course. " The real difficulty is with the vast wealth and power in the hands of the few and the unscrupulous who represent or control capital. Hundreds of laws of Congress and the state legislatures are in the interest of these men and against the interests of workingmen. These need to be exposed and repealed. All laws on corporations, on taxation, on trusts, wills, descent, and the like, need examination and extensive change. This is a government of the people, by the people, and for the people no longer. It is a government of corporations, by corporations, and for corporations.— How is this?" - President Rutherford B. Hayes Also, Rutherford B Hayes believed,
"Abolish plutocracy if you would abolish poverty. As millionaires increase, pauperism grows. The more millionaires, the more paupers"
Diary (16 February 1890).

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