Politicians Debate Gun Control After Theater Shooting

Sniper II wrote:

What if your first ten shots miss ?

Funny: the gun gnutters told us that if only there was someone in the theater who had another gun (beside the AR15 and other weapons carried by another one of your gun gnutter associates) and you are offering someone who might miss the first ten times.

Let's see: the typical gun owner isn't going to have practice with a firearm and when he does, he isn't going to hit what he is shooting at, and the genius you are: you suggest you can fix that by giving him more shots.

Sniper II wrote:

Stop being afraid of guns or blame guns for what idiots do with them.

Do show everyone here where I blame the guns.

I blame idiots like you, you moe-ron: you read as well as you shoot and you can't hit the broadside of a barn.

barefoot2626 wrote:

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USA = over 30,000 firearm fatalities a year.
Japan = 65.(that's 65, I didn't leave out any zeros).

Name one incident where a gun killed someone without being in a hand of someone...Ill wait....

Blame the people ...not the guns..

barefoot2626 wrote:

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Funny: the gun gnutters told us that if only there was someone in the theater who had another gun (beside the AR15 and other weapons carried by another one of your gun gnutter associates) and you are offering someone who might miss the first ten times.
Let's see: the typical gun owner isn't going to have practice with a firearm and when he does, he isn't going to hit what he is shooting at, and the genius you are: you suggest you can fix that by giving him more shots.

You really are clueless arent you ? Do you ever leave your home ? You dont even "Spin" worth a sh!t..
What you said here doesnt make much sense ..
Not even worth answering..Got anything half way intelligent to say ?

Im still waiting for those 100 round mags for pistols please..Id like to see that..

Show us what you know..Or is that all of it ?

Name a brand....

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barefoot2626 wrote:

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Do show everyone here where I blame the guns.
I blame idiots like you, you moe-ron: you read as well as you shoot and you can't hit the broadside of a barn.

Why do you feel the need to call me names or use petty insults ?
I think talking like an adult would get you friendlier responses.

I think facts would get you more positive results.

I think educating yourself before going on your crusade would get you more followers.

Do you have those 100 round mags for pistols yet ?

Id like to see your facts on that.

Did you see how I didnt have to insult you to make you feel stupid ? Thats how its done missy.

Sniper II wrote:

<quoted text>Name one incident where a gun killed someone without being in a hand of someone...Ill wait....
.

And when I post this, you are going to stop posting in this forum?

Still waiting for you to quote me saying I blame guns, by the way.

I understand: it is part of your rant.

Sniper II wrote:

<quoted text>Why do you feel the need to call me names or use petty insults ?

Don't dish it out if you don't like it flung back in your face, city boy.

Sniper II wrote:

Do you have those 100 round mags for pistols yet ?

Do you have that quote where I said they existed, missy?

No?

I know: you have only your rants, and you can't do anything except repeat the rants the NRA provides.

Sniper II wrote:

<quoted text>You sound a little clueless so Ill help.. No, hand guns dont come with a 100 round magazine..In fact I have never heard of a 100 round magazine for any hand gun..Do you know where I can get some and for which hand gun are available ? Please enlighten us..
And you answered your own question about high capacity handguns..Yes they can be used for protection but being a hand gun you want as many rounds as possible to protect your self. What if your first ten shots miss ? Guns are not only for protection. Guns are a family hobby for all ages. Guns bring families together. Competition shooting has been around long before any of us. My Grandfather was a founding father of the NRA.. You may have heard of them..Did you know there is shooting in the Olympics ? Did you even know shooting is a sport ? Lots of people dont know that..Lots of city type people dont have a clue just how many people ae involved in sport shooting..Denver is building a world class shooting range as we speak..
If you really want to crusade about something significant then try alcohol..Do you know drinking has killed over 700 people this year in Colorado alone..Yep..Only a handful of deaths caused by idiots with guns..None from smoking pot but it seems to be evil too..But lets ban drinking and driving..Work on that..
Guns are our history..You may have heard that if you went to an American school..Guns are what made America free and will continue to do so..

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeYUP!

barefoot2626 wrote:

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This is a lie.
And no matter how many times you repeat it, it doesn't become true.
MOE-ro9n: if a gun was used every 13 seconds, there would not be a criminal not left standing in the USA.
Lying with statics starts with the lie.

Marvin Wolfgang, the late Director of the Sellin Center for Studies in Criminology and Criminal Law at the University of Pennsylvania, considered by many to be the foremost criminologist in the country, wrote in The Journal of Criminal Law & Criminology, Northwestern University School of Law, Volume 86, Number 1, Fall, 1995:

"I am as strong a gun-control advocate as can be found among the criminologists in this country. If I were Mustapha Mond of Brave New World, I would eliminate all guns from the civilian population and maybe even from the police ... What troubles me is the article by Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz.["Armed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence and Nature of Self-Defense with a Gun," by Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz, published in that same issue of The Journal of Criminal Law & Criminology] The reason I am troubled is that they have provided an almost clear cut case of methodologically sound research in support of something I have theoretically opposed for years, namely, the use of a gun in defense against a criminal perpetrator....I have to admit my admiration for the care and caution expressed in this article and this research. Can it be true that about two million instances occur each year in which a gun was used as a defensive measure against crime? It is hard to believe. Yet, it is hard to challenge the data collected. We do not have contrary evidence. The National Crime Victim Survey does not directly contravene this latest survey, nor do the Mauser and Hart Studies.... the methodological soundness of the current Kleck and Gertz study is clear. I cannot further debate it.... The Kleck and Gertz study impresses me for the caution the authors exercise and the elaborate nuances they examine methodologically. I do not like their conclusions that having a gun can be useful, but I cannot fault their methodology. They have tried earnestly to meet all objections in advance and have done exceedingly well."
So this data has been peer-reviewed by a top criminologist in this country who was prejudiced in advance against its results, and even he found the scientific evidence overwhelmingly convincing.

barefoot2626 wrote:

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You must think I am in some way insulted by the spunk that dribbles from your mouth.
Honeybunch: like everyone who knows you, I put not much behind anything you say.
Insulting you doesn't make you any dumber than you already are, Hon.
Have your boyfriend explain that to you.

Yes I do..
"Sticky Lips"..."Put not much " ?? LOL..
I dont have to insult you...You do quite well on your own..
No Bo....I likes the chicks..

Got the name of a 100 round mag for a hand gun like you said with your infinite Firearm knowledge ?
You do know opins should be based on knowledge and expericance dont you ?
Have you ever shot a firearm ?
Still waiting.........

Yes that would be "opinions" young lady.. Got a valid one ?
I mean,, based on knowledge ,education or experience ?

Sniper II wrote:

Yes that would be "opinions" young lady.. Got a valid one ?
I mean,, based on knowledge ,education or experience ?

Yes I DO! But if I repeat it again some foot freak will get all butt hurt and call me a lying moron again...

Even though I know I am right!!

Ha!

Death Kitten wrote:

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Yes I DO! But if I repeat it again some foot freak will get all butt hurt and call me a lying moron again...
Even though I know I am right!!
Ha!

Bullseye..

Sniper II wrote:

<quoted text>You sound a little clueless so Ill help.. No, hand guns dont come with a 100 round magazine..In fact I have never heard of a 100 round magazine for any hand gun..Do you know where I can get some and for which hand gun are available ? Please enlighten us..
And you answered your own question about high capacity handguns..Yes they can be used for protection but being a hand gun you want as many rounds as possible to protect your self. What if your first ten shots miss ? Guns are not only for protection. Guns are a family hobby for all ages. Guns bring families together. Competition shooting has been around long before any of us. My Grandfather was a founding father of the NRA.. You may have heard of them..Did you know there is shooting in the Olympics ? Did you even know shooting is a sport ? Lots of people dont know that..Lots of city type people dont have a clue just how many people ae involved in sport shooting..Denver is building a world class shooting range as we speak..
If you really want to crusade about something significant then try alcohol..Do you know drinking has killed over 700 people this year in Colorado alone..Yep..Only a handful of deaths caused by idiots with guns..None from smoking pot but it seems to be evil too..But lets ban drinking and driving..Work on that..
Guns are our history..You may have heard that if you went to an American school..Guns are what made America free and will continue to do so..

I've seen 100 round hand gun mags.
Heres one
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Glock 100 Round Conversion Tower that the guy in video used.
http://www.gunsamerica.com/969757849/Non-Guns...

barefoot2626 wrote:

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Most concealed handguns do not come with 100 round magazines and the question of course (and has been for a long time): if hand guns are really for protection, why do they need high round magazines?
Why is it that arms manufacturers need special rights to protect themselves from lawsuits?
The number of vehicle fatalities used to be much higher than it is today and because of LEGISLATION created to make them safer, it is lower today even though vehicle use is higher than ever. Seat belts, air bags, ABS brakes: all products that resulted from pressure on manufacturers to make their product safe.
The rate of fatalities from firearms is almost as high as vehicles this year (and may exceed it and will next year).
Why do gun gnutters scream and cry and want special rights for a product no other product in the USA share?

It was your anti-gun laws that prohibited law abiding citizens to carry their firearms to defend themselves at the theater. You anti-gun nuts said that it would make it a safer place for everyone.

So tell me; how did that work out?

The special rights to shield gun makers from lawsuits is your own doing. You wanted to blame the manufacturers for the deaths caused by someone else. The goal was to "bankrupt the gun makers from existence, hence eliminating guns". Even though all of these cases ended up being dismissed as being "frivolous", it kept the courts from focusing on real cases with merit. So these laws were necessary.

Yes, vehicle deaths are at a record low. However, gun deaths and violence are at a record low as well. And we have the most "relaxed" gun laws since the 1950's. The only two spikes in gun violence occurred after the 1968 gun ban and the Clinton gun ban. Once these expired, such deaths dropped drastically. This is an argument for less gun laws; not more.

barefoot2626 wrote:

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This is an absolute lie, they don't, you are making up things (again), putting aside of course those (most) police officers are REQUIRED to practice and yet even though trained hit what they are shooting one times out of three (or even less).

I go to ranges very frequently and know many of the officers who practice there.(Two of them teaches firearm use & safety for children 12 and over).

The qualifications (for this region anyway) are to hit the target 30 times out of 30 shots. The "vitals" (an area of 5 inches diameter)requirement is 27 out of 30 at 15 yards.

So tell me: when was the last time you went to the range?

-Natasfonos- wrote:

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I think the real problem lies in training. Most real shooters are trained to shoot for the body. While a .357 magnum packs a hellofa punch, I'd have been loaded with .38s instead and I'd have gone for a body shot first.
I'd have had a few seconds to analyze that he wasn't mortally wounded and then try for a clean head shot, the worst shot to make, in spite of what Call Of Duty tells us.
To be honest, I'd have died trying to take him out. He'd have been slowed down at best.
Just trying to keep it real. I hear a lot of Rambos out here talking about how they'd have taken him out. He was prepared for Rambo.

Yeah, the risk of death would be high, but no higher than it already was. And by having return fire, he would had been placed on the defensive rather than remain on the offense.

Jammercolo wrote:

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I've seen 100 round hand gun mags.
Heres one
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Glock 100 Round Conversion Tower that the guy in video used.
http://www.gunsamerica.com/969757849/Non-Guns...

Ok so now I want one....But the anti gun nut didnt have a clue..Still doesn't..

However just to be clear..The first video is of a fully automatic [highly illegal unless you have the proper permit]....Not a regular store bought handgun . That gun is not available to the common public with fully auto options.or the other upgrades visible , such as butt stock etc....
However,, criminals can get them easy from other criminals..It just takes money..A lot less then buying them legal like the rest of us..

And the second link is just the adapter tower..Not the actual 100 round magazine..