In America, atheists are still in the closet

Apr 11, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Spiked

So do many other interest and identity groups. Complaint is our political lingua franca: it's what Occupiers, Tea Partiers, Wall Street titans, religious and irreligious people share.

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Clearly you don't know what "lying" means.
He goes into meltdown mode every time he doesn't get his way. He's like a two year old having a tantrum on the floor. If you ignore him long enough, he'll take another tactic.

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Why would it?
Right. Why would a God set a good example by being held to the same laws he sets forth for his children? He orders
'Thou shalt not kill' but kills off everything on earth but 8 very strange people. Yeah, that's the kind of God everyone should worship, right?

Good grief, you people are indoctrinated to the bone.

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In the same post you regarded as prejudiced, I mentioned the harm that religion may cause and has caused.
But with your definition of objectivity, you want me to exagerate the harm of religion. That is why I said it. You'd happily call me objective if I was like you, if I was an atheist and if I rambled on and on about the evil of Christianity and religion in general.
You have your own unrealistic definition of objectivity and prejudice and I do not conform to your judgement.
The harm of religion doesn't have to be exaggerated.

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<quoted text>Good grief, you're stupid.
Students over sixth-form age can opt out themselves, and parents of students at any age can opt out for them.
I told you that - did you not understand?
Since 1996....16 years!

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Dude, why are you forever rambling on and on about the UK? Sure, the Queen badly needs a good dentist, but hell dude.
Where are you from?
Possibly the Pleiades.

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Agreed. Excellent game for him. Dominant,
Gonna be fun.
I don't see them going all the way. It was a good show against a below par Holland.

Hollands defense has been shocking.

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it has freedom of religion. If you want proof, look it up.
So you couldn't find it, EH?

How can you have a "freedom of religion" when you require school children to a daily Christian worship?

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EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>Wow! Now that's what I call crazy.
I think if anyone tried that in the UK the Health and Safety Executive would close the place down,(they interfere in the far less risky than that). And the NHS would soon start to charge for any help in supplying or administering anti-venom treatment.
Most Brits would just laugh at the sheer stupidity. On the other hand, the local police might investigate to see if anyone with poor mental health was being exploited.
Sane Americans laugh at the stupidity. But then we have to put up with the fact that by law, they can do these things and can do them in the presence of children who cannot defend themselves against their parent's stupidity and neglect.

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<quoted text>Since 1996....16 years!
To be fair most schools in the UK won't make a child pray if they don't want to. Even without parental consent. No matter what the law says. Fact.

It's hard enough to get kids into school in certain areas, let alone enforce religion on them.

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You were the one who said the UK didn't have freedom of religion. Remember, skippy? I didn't dispute your claim.
Still waiting for you to refute it, SweetCheeks.

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<quoted text>(Edited)Many theists are driven by the desire to go to heaven or be reincarnated into a prince or whatever. But Sufis desire God. They want to have full awareness of God. Their ultimate prize would be full perception of God through all senses. If someone has heaven, they have heaven. But if someone has God, they have everything.
.. a belief which does not spring from an emotional conviction is no belief at all ..

.. you know who you are, what you believe and write accordingly ..

.. you garner respect ..

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I sense a meltdown coming on.
Oh wait...
Barfy's already IN meltdown mode.
He might reach critical mass on this one.
The more evidence you give him that he is in error, the worse the meltdown gets. The then goes into full mode of trying to insult people by calling them names and other childish acts just to get attention as that is all he has left.

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Well, that depends on what you mean by reality. Your reality is that there is no god. My reality is that there is. You regard my beliefs as a fantasy while I regard yours as fantasy. I do not see any disconnect from reality from my religion.
I would say some people may be better at coping with differences in beliefs, but most are not. If two different people talk religion, they are bound to disagree at some point and perhaps form opinions of each other. Sometimes resentful opinions. But the same would happen if two people talk politics, or socio-economics. In my country my generation often has a political divide from older generations.
Many things divide people. It's how people are. And your parents think they know what's best for you. Your government thinks they know whats best for you because their illustrious leaders said so. Your company thinks they know what's best for you. In the end, finding your true self is your own responsibility. My religion encouraged me to find my own true self. The rest is all excuses made by men who have no spine to stand on their own and walk their own path.
Yet your religion expects you to remain a member of it. That is not 'finding your own true self'. It is finding what you can get away with and still be a member.

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The freedom to manifest one's religion or beliefs shall be subject only to such limitations as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society in the interests of public safety, for the protection of public order, health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.
SO YOU CANNOT READ?

only to SUCH limitations- there is NOTHING in this agreement that prevents the UK from passing laws that FORCE its STATE RELIGION (you are aware the UK has a state religion) on its populations, E.G>: it can force children to attend collective CHRISTIAN worship.

As it does now.

Required.

By law.

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Clearly you don't know what "lying" means.
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You demonstrate it daily, Chibi.
Yes. Clearly I demonstrate that you don't know what lying is. And I do so daily.

In fact, by calling me a liar, you are lying.

You claim to understand English - both ways, you are a liar, little man.

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First-year students at the Purdue Vet School were attending their first anatomy class with a real dead cow. They all gathered around the surgery table with the body covered with a white sheet.
The professor started the class by telling them, "In Veterinary medicine it is necessary to have two important qualities as a doctor. The first is that you not be disgusted by anything involving the animal's body."
For an example, the professor pulled back the sheet, stuck his finger in the butt of the cow, withdrew it, and stuck his finger in his mouth. "Go ahead and do the same thing," he told his students.
The students freaked out, hesitated for several minutes, but eventually took turns sticking a finger in the butt of the dead cow and sucking on it.
When everyone finished, the Professor looked at them and said;
"The second most important quality is observation. I stuck in my middle finger and sucked on my index finger. Now learn to pay attention. Life's tough, but it's even tougher if you're stupid."
Paul Ehrlich tells a similar story about a different professor, but with urine.

Apologies, but I believe that one over the dead cow one. However, maybe they're both wrong.

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To be fair most schools in the UK won't make a child pray if they don't want to. Even without parental consent. No matter what the law says. Fact.
It's hard enough to get kids into school in certain areas, let alone enforce religion on them.
Hopefully, the rule of having Christianity taught in schools will end. But what better way to turn children away from religion than to force it down their throats? That is the reason that even though religion is mandatory to a certain extent, more people are less religious. May it continue.
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SO YOU CANNOT READ?
only to SUCH limitations- there is NOTHING in this agreement that prevents the UK from passing laws that FORCE its STATE RELIGION (you are aware the UK has a state religion) on its populations, E.G>: it can force children to attend collective CHRISTIAN worship.
As it does now.
Required.
By law.
True so far as it goes. State religion is a shame on any nation, true enough.

It is true that if there is one thing worse than religion, it is State-sponsored or state-enforced religion.

Religion in UK schools is increasingly scorned, in practice. Religion in schools is bad for society and undermines respect for the law. Of course, religionists are to blame for this state of affairs. When non-belieivers object they are termed 'New Atheists'; or objections are labelled 'aggressive secularism'.
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<quoted text> Hopefully, the rule of having Christianity taught in schools will end. But what better way to turn children away from religion than to force it down their throats? That is the reason that even though religion is mandatory to a certain extent, more people are less religious....
My feelings too.
Thanks for your reply above (post 17197).

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<quoted text> Hopefully, the rule of having Christianity taught in schools will end. But what better way to turn children away from religion than to force it down their throats? That is the reason that even though religion is mandatory to a certain extent, more people are less religious. May it continue.
It definitely seams to have an impact on furthering our christian faith LOL. I honestly can say the picture of this forced religious worship in the UK that is portrayed on here is simply untrue.

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