In America, atheists are still in the closet

Buck Crick wrote:

There is no theory of biological evolution.

The theory is correct.

Buck Crick wrote:

If there is, state it.

Any one of us would answer that question for a sincere questioner, like a child. Apparently, nobody wants to deal with your quibbling, your invective, or your self-congratulatory chest thumping. Why should they? What's in it for a collocutor of yours?

That's like saying gravityists want angels hold everything down lessons removed from class. There is no evolution religion and just saying that really makes you look ignorant. ID is creationism renamed nothing more it's not science and even the DI admits it has religious roots. They say the Christian deity is the designer. Evolution is a fact and the proof keeps growing more overwhelming by the day.

Sorry but as usual you are wrong. Do catch up.

HTS wrote:

<quoted text>The only reason evolutionists want ID out of schools is because they don't want scientific challenges to their religion. No one is trying to teach Genesis in biology classrooms. Evolution has drifted so far from science that those who peddle it now claim that it's "unscientific" to question a scientific hypothesis. Skeptics are expected to accept evolution on faith.

Buck Crick wrote:

ID doesn't attempt to identify a designer.

Even more so, it attempts to conceal that it even has one in mind, let alone prays to it every Sunday, lest somebody figure out that "designer" and "creator" are synonymous in this context.

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If there is a god, he has a very wry sense of humor:

"Head of Chick-fil-A PR group dies suddenly"
Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:53pm EDT

"(Reuters)- Don Perry, the long-time head of Chick-fil-A's public relations department, died unexpectedly on Friday, the company said, even as the fast food chain tried to negotiate a PR firestorm over its president's recent comments on gay marriage."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/27/us-...

This is as good as Touchdown Jesus burning down next to an adult book store that was unscathed, although his widow must be mortified at the timing. The only way it could get better is if a gay, secret lover emerges soon.

Design engineers is what they call themselves at the conservative Christian Discovery Instituit? Remember Jesus is the designer right?

Buck Crick wrote:

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Really?
Then you are a design engineer, right?
Because design engineers do not operate as you suggest here. They have this concept called "optimal within constraints".
Biological life has many, many constraints.
You have no point, and this faulty design argument is another Darwinian myth. Put it on the shelf right beside "ID is creationism"
Wonder why a field of science would have so many myths?

Givemeliberty wrote:

Design engineers is what they call themselves at the conservative Christian Discovery Instituit? Remember Jesus is the designer right?
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It is completely logical that we an intelligent being can't even create life as intelligent as ourselves.

Yet someone a chaotic universe of Atheist chance would some how create something more intelligent than it's self?

Seems unlikely & illogical.

Buck Crick wrote:

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Judge Jones, who used it in his Kitzmiller ruling - he was wrong, too, then. Right?

Kitzmiller is a typical Liberal Jew trying to go against the U.S constitution.

It aint necessarily so wrote:

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You really have no idea what the theory of evolution says, do you? It makes no comment on either absolute morality or free will.
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Why do you think that he has no moral qualms about lying? His moral foundation is stronger than yours. You seem to be implying that you would have no moral values without your religion.
If so, you are dead wrong. You would be MORE moral without your religion..

William B. Provine, Ph.D, a renowned historian of science and professor at Cornell University, summarized the effects of evolution on man's thinking:

"Naturalistic evolution has clear consequences that Charles Darwin understood perfectly. 1) No gods worth having exist; 2) no life after death exists; 3) no ultimate foundation for ethics exists; 4) no ultimate meaning in life exists; and 5) human free will is nonexistent."

Dr. Provine, an avowed atheist, further elaborated on the lack of human free will in this statement:

"...humans are locally determined systems that make choices. They have, however, no free will. Without free will, moral responsibility seems impossible... Free will is a disastrous and mean social myth. Using free will as an excuse, we condone a vicious attitude of revenge toward anyone who does wrong in our society...This attitude leads to a grossly expensive and hopeless system of punishment in America..."

(Provine W.B., "Evolution: Free will and punishment and meaning in life." Abstract of Prof. William B. Provine's 1998 "Darwin Day address, "Darwin Day" website, University of Tennessee Knoxville TN, 1998).

Givemeliberty wrote:

That's like saying gravityists want angels hold everything down lessons removed from class. There is no evolution religion and just saying that really makes you look ignorant. ID is creationism renamed nothing more it's not science and even the DI admits it has religious roots. They say the Christian deity is the designer. Evolution is a fact and the proof keeps growing more overwhelming by the day.
Sorry but as usual you are wrong. Do catch up.
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You're a naive dreamer. The vast majority of scientists reject molecules-to-man evolution.

Hidingfromyou wrote:

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- argument from ignorance
- argument from incredulity
- statements without evidence
How you know you're a creationist/IDer.

More (none original):

[21] You see nothing wrong with stating “facts” about what God thinks as if you are His personal secretary.

[20] You complain about Christians not being allowed to practice their religion in foreign countries, yet when someone tries to set up a Hindu temple/Mosque/Pagan or new age bookshop in your town you go ballistic and think it shouldn’t be allowed.

[19] Your typical prayer uses the phrase “Lord Jesus” or “Lord God” more times than the Bible.

[18] God regularly opens up convenient parking spaces, JUST FOR YOU.

[17] You think people who enjoy science fiction and fantasy, especially those who enjoy the Harry Potter novels, are going to be in hell.

[16] You think that being tortured for all of eternity for any reason is an appropriate punishment.

[15] You see all positive outcomes as the mercy of God, and attribute all negative outcomes to being the work of the devil. Never accepting that your own book may well suggest that it's God's way of telling you to knock off your shit. Because you are after all, "A Good Christian", read as "I go to church, and sleep through the sermons".

[14] You believe that all life is sacred and begins at conception, unless you are a Godless worker at a facility that offers abortion as an alternative.

[13] You cry for the senseless loss of souls to abortion, but you have never once considered adopting, or taking in foster care children.

[12] You are confident that your religious beliefs are justification enough to change laws for everyone.

[11] You believe gambling is a sin, but not playing Bingo for cash in a church

[10] You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of your god.

[9] You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from lesser life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.

[8] You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Trinity god.

[7] Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" -- including women, children, and trees!

[6] You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.

[5] You are willing to spend your life looking for little loop-holes in the scientifically established age of the Earth (4.55 billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by pre-historic tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that the Earth is a couple of generations old.

[4] You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects -- will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet you consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving".

[3] While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to prove Christianity.

[2] You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.

[1] You actually know a lot less than many Atheists and Agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history -- but still call yourself a Christian

Buck Crick wrote:

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I think I know that gal.
True story:
I was over at Club 68 in Lebanon one night. I was drunk and high on coke, and went home with some girl.
The next morning, I woke up beside her, and she obviously hadn't had a bath in a month. She was sweaty and dirty all over.
...except for 2 clean spots around each of her nipples.
No joke. And it wasn't funny at the time.

Are you sure she only had two nipples?

Sorry, pig farmer joke.

It aint necessarily so wrote:

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That's what intelligent design means - "goddidit." That's what the creation myth means - "goddidit." Nice argument, BTW.

You're rational e is EVOLUTIONDIDIT. You can't offer a single scientific explanation of any of the challenges I've given... None. All you can say is EVOLUTIONDIDIT.
Question: How did the compliment cascade evolve? Answer: EVOLUTIONDIDIT
Question: How did sexual reproduction evolve? Answer: EVOLUTIONDIDIT
Question: How did Abiogensis occur? Answer: EVOLUTIONDIDIT
Question: How did a pterosaur evolve flight? Answer: EVOLUTIONDIDIT
Question: Why does the foxglove produce digitalis? Answer: EVOLUTIONDIDIT
Question: How did photosynthesis evolve? Answer: EVOLUTIONDIDIT
Question: How did DNA self-organize? Answer: EVOLUTIONDIDIT
Question: How did whales evolve migratory instinct? Answer: EVOLUTIONDIDIT

Have you ever checked out the responses on talk origins.org ? Every time they can't answer a challenge they throw out "argument from incredulity" ... In other words, skeptics should accept evolution on faith and should not expect scientific explanations.

Why do Christian fundamentalists have such a problem with evolution? I would wager a top professor could answer each and every one of these in meticulous detail and you would still scream no answers!! Why? The answers are there but because they don't involve Jesus you don't wish to war them.

HTS wrote:

<quoted text>You're rational e is EVOLUTIONDIDIT. You can't offer a single scientific explanation of any of the challenges I've given... None. All you can say is EVOLUTIONDIDIT.
Question: How did the compliment cascade evolve? Answer: EVOLUTIONDIDIT
Question: How did sexual reproduction evolve? Answer: EVOLUTIONDIDIT
Question: How did Abiogensis occur? Answer: EVOLUTIONDIDIT
Question: How did a pterosaur evolve flight? Answer: EVOLUTIONDIDIT
Question: Why does the foxglove produce digitalis? Answer: EVOLUTIONDIDIT
Question: How did photosynthesis evolve? Answer: EVOLUTIONDIDIT
Question: How did DNA self-organize? Answer: EVOLUTIONDIDIT
Question: How did whales evolve migratory instinct? Answer: EVOLUTIONDIDIT
Have you ever checked out the responses on talk origins.org ? Every time they can't answer a challenge they throw out "argument from incredulity" ... In other words, skeptics should accept evolution on faith and should not expect scientific explanations.

HTS wrote:

I've learned that whenever an atheist pulls out the "incredulity" card, he has nothing to say.

What else can you say to somebody that "doesn't see how" even after it's been explained adequately except cite a fallacy of incredulity? You can't make a man understand what his god need forbids him to know.

Do you know about Morton's Demon, which I recently posted about?

From http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/postmonth/... l : "Morton's demon was a demon who sat at the gate of my sensory input apparatus and if and when he saw supportive evidence coming in, he opened the gate. But if he saw contradictory data coming in, he closed the gate. In this way, the demon allowed me to believe that I was right and to avoid any nasty contradictory data. Fortunately, I eventually realized that the demon was there and began to open the gate when he wasn't looking.

"Indeed, the demon makes people feel morally superior and more knowledgeable than others ... The demon makes its victim feel very comfortable as there is no contradictory data in view. The demon is better than a set of rose colored glasses. The demon's victim does not understand why everyone else doesn't fall down and accept the victim's views. After all, the world is thought to be as the victim sees it and the demon doesn't let through the gate the knowledge that others don't see the same thing. Because of this, the victim assumes that everyone else is biased."

There's no point in arguing with that. You just cite the fallacy and move on.

HTS wrote:

He [an atheist] expects a skeptic to accept evolution on faith, just as he does.

Jeez you have it bad

HTS wrote:

You expect me to simply believe Darwinism without scientific explanations.

Quite an insight-free comment this one is. Hello! Your most cherished beliefs have no scientific foundation. Now, suddenly, for evolutionary science, you have standards that are even more exacting and rigorous than those of the scientific community, who are satisfied that Darwin's central ideas have been established as correct.

Buck Crick wrote:

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That's very nice, except that archeopteryx (you misspelled it) is not a transitional.

Everything is transitional in biology.

That you actually think that evolution happens in discrete steps like the rungs of a ladder shows that you have no idea what biological evolution is.

It aint necessarily so wrote:

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That's what intelligent design means - "goddidit." That's what the creation myth means - "goddidit." Nice argument, BTW.

ID makes no supernatural claim.

And never had a Piltdown Man, or glued peppered moths to trees, took photographs, and put them in student textbooks.

"Kettlewell diddit"

It aint necessarily so wrote:

<quoted text>More (none original):

[21] You see nothing wrong with stating “facts” about what God thinks as if you are His personal secretary.

[20] You complain about Christians not being allowed to practice their religion in foreign countries, yet when someone tries to set up a Hindu temple/Mosque/Pagan or new age bookshop in your town you go ballistic and think it shouldnÂ’t be allowed.

[19] Your typical prayer uses the phrase “Lord Jesus” or “Lord God” more times than the Bible.

[18] God regularly opens up convenient parking spaces, JUST FOR YOU.

[17] You think people who enjoy science fiction and fantasy, especially those who enjoy the Harry Potter novels, are going to be in hell.

[16] You think that being tortured for all of eternity for any reason is an appropriate punishment.

[15] You see all positive outcomes as the mercy of God, and attribute all negative outcomes to being the work of the devil. Never accepting that your own book may well suggest that it's God's way of telling you to knock off your shit. Because you are after all, "A Good Christian", read as "I go to church, and sleep through the sermons".

[14] You believe that all life is sacred and begins at conception, unless you are a Godless worker at a facility that offers abortion as an alternative.

[13] You cry for the senseless loss of souls to abortion, but you have never once considered adopting, or taking in foster care children.

[12] You are confident that your religious beliefs are justification enough to change laws for everyone.

[11] You believe gambling is a sin, but not playing Bingo for cash in a church

[10] You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of your god.

[9] You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from lesser life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.

[8] You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Trinity god.

[7] Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" -- including women, children, and trees!

[6] You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.

[5] You are willing to spend your life looking for little loop-holes in the scientifically established age of the Earth (4.55 billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by pre-historic tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that the Earth is a couple of generations old.

[4] You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects -- will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet you consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving".

[3] While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have

You kids enjoying your time playing in the sandbox?

If you can, let's go on a deep dive in thought...philosophy cap on?

Take a minute to evaluate this, how others that know you on a personal level perceive you, in relationship to your belief of who really are.

Do you present different personas/personae depending on situational environments?

Hedonist wrote:

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Everything is transitional in biology.
That you actually think that evolution happens in discrete steps like the rungs of a ladder shows that you have no idea what biological evolution is.

If everything is transitional, then why call one thing "transitional"?

How would everything being transitional be falsified?

This sounds a lot like Buck. No seriously.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

HugeKielbasa wrote:

You're such a coward. I wrote this comment to you nearly a day ago. You were on for a lng time after. You always seem to wait foever to respond to me likea passive agressive turd you want to get your digs in. Yet you are too scared to grab the bull by it's horns.

What? You waited a day for an answer, and that makes me a coward? If you need an rush answer, PM me with a link to the post. I'm often a more than half a day behind. The posts I answered before yours were posted before yours. I take them in order.

This is a message board, not a chat room.

Besides, frankly, you're a pretty low priority. You really have nothing to say. You're an obtuse, subliterate, bigoted,übernationalist still living at home as an adult, and waiting for Uncle Zbigniew to die.