Romney Signs on to Anti-Gay Group's Campaign Pledge

Disgusting wrote:

And yes there is a plot to destroy the American family through govt and big business and Hollywood. Instead of progressives actually defending traditional family values when challenged, they point out all the negatives and then rationalize their own sexual orientation and self gratification. You never, ever hear them point out the good things within a man and woman relationship. Look at what has been on tv the last 20-30 years, it's all in your face sexual immoral behavior whether gay or straight. Now we are seeing the ramifications of so many kinky and deviant thoughts. A peaceful and moral society is not profitable in the eyes of dark forces. This is just another nail in the coffin so to speak.
Thank you.

Poe's Law...

Night is day.
Pigs can fly.
Liberalism is a mental disorder.

Wondering wrote:

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Whatever makes you feel good. A gay marriage is not and can not be like a traditional marriage.

There is only one kind of marriage, and both gay couples and straight couples participate in it. I'm sorry if you disagree with reality.

Disgusting wrote:

And yes there is a plot to destroy the American family through govt and big business and Hollywood. Instead of progressives actually defending traditional family values when challenged, they point out all the negatives and then rationalize their own sexual orientation and self gratification. You never, ever hear them point out the good things within a man and woman relationship. Look at what has been on tv the last 20-30 years, it's all in your face sexual immoral behavior whether gay or straight. Now we are seeing the ramifications of so many kinky and deviant thoughts. A peaceful and moral society is not profitable in the eyes of dark forces. This is just another nail in the coffin so to speak.
Thank you.

...yawn...

Your paranoia is noted. You fundie types have been saying that very same thing for hundreds of years. Here's an example from the 1920s:

"Today Christians ... stand at the head of [this country]... I pledge that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity .. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit ... We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theater, and in the press - in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during the past ...(few) years."

Wanna take a guess at who said that?

Black is White wrote:

Night is day.
Pigs can fly.
Liberalism is a mental disorder.

Three absurd statements!

Wondering wrote:

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Many same sex marriages result in spousal abuse, child abuse, and divorce.

So far and per capita we are trailing by a good bit.

Perhaps it's because we really choose to marry even when it isn't expected of us ... or due to accidental pregnancy. lol

Let's review ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

snyper wrote:

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So far and per capita we are trailing by a good bit.
Perhaps it's because we really choose to marry even when it isn't expected of us ... or due to accidental pregnancy. lol
Let's review ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

The fact is that you marry because you can and not because you want to. Marriage seems to provide you with some false perception of acceptance. Studies done in Norway and Sweden put the divorce rate higher for same sex couples. It is claimed that divorce rates in states that allow gay marriage are lower. The reason, people come from other states to marry and then return to their own states. Their divorces aren't counted while the marriage total is. It's another false perception.

Rose_NoHo wrote:

Conservatism is hatred of people who don't deserve it. Best to get rid of it. And there is no plot to "destroy the American family".

Leftism is destroying authority.

Rose_NoHo wrote:

They are. They are a fundie group dedicated to spreading hate towards gays. And as if typical of fundie hate groups, they try to make their hate seem noble. They paint themselves as being "for marraige". I bet if I did a little digging, I'd find out many of those people "for marraige" are divorced...

Divorced people support husband/wife marriage; sometimes with alimony.

Is that a word,"fundie"?

Mona Lott wrote:

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...yawn...
Your paranoia is noted. You fundie types have been saying that very same thing for hundreds of years. Here's an example from the 1920s:
"Today Christians ... stand at the head of [this country]... I pledge that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity .. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit ... We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theater, and in the press - in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during the past ...(few) years."
Wanna take a guess at who said that?

Christian spirit?

If any man come to me, and HATE not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.--Luke 14:26

The most evil, vile, heartless, and inhumane massacres, genocides, and subjugation have been performed and instigated by none other then Christians and their imperialistic and racially motivated conquests.

It was Christians who nearly wiped out the entire Native American race by exterminating over 50 Million of them. It was Christians who have murdered 60-90 Million Africans, and tortured the rest for over 400 years, it was Christians who puppeted the Spanish Inquisition, Hitler and his entire staff were Christians themselves.

Christians are the definition of the word hypocrite. Christians run up in other people’s countries, and brainwash the innocent into believing that their way of life is inferior to yours, and that if one does not accept "Jesus Christ" as their savior they will burn in Hell eternally. But I ask you who’s to say that Christians follow Jesus?

The bottom line is, the most evil actions ever performed on the face of the earth, are attributed to none other then European/American Christians, and their conquests in the name of greed and capitalism. Christianity was always meant to be a bloody religion, as it was fashioned by Constantine who saw a cross in his dream and with it he read "In this sign we shall conquer".

All this and the simple fact is that Jesus himself did not even sanctify Christianity. Nowhere in the bible did the word Christianity comes out of his mouth, as he instructed his disciples to keep the original commandments given by the most high. Jesus never said "worship me", nor did he claim to be God.

Jesus DID in fact state however that "Many in the future shall come in his name, but believe them not, for they are liars".

If Christians alone have the truth, then why is it that it was only they who believed that the Earth was flat, when the rest of the civilized world in fact knew it was spherical in shape, thousands of years before Jesus was even on the scene?

If Christians alone know the truth, then why is it that they thought that the Earth was the center of the universe, when the rest of the world knew that that was false?

Why is it that Christians had absolutely NO knowledge of astronomy, the stars, or outer space, when the rest of the world had advances astronomical knowledge complete with solar and lunar calendars?

Christians have not only been the most violent people on the earth, but they have also been the stupidest. And History will back up that fact…

The cost to humanity of fifteen centuries of Christian savagery, of hundreds of millions of lives brutalised and truncated, sacrificed to war, torture, pogroms, burning, pestilence and plague is incalculable.

Christianity is the worst disaster in human history

Epicurus wrote:

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Christian spirit?
If any man come to me, and HATE not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.--Luke 14:26
The most evil, vile, heartless, and inhumane massacres, genocides, and subjugation have been performed and instigated by none other then Christians and their imperialistic and racially motivated conquests.
It was Christians who nearly wiped out the entire Native American race by exterminating over 50 Million of them. It was Christians who have murdered 60-90 Million Africans, and tortured the rest for over 400 years, it was Christians who puppeted the Spanish Inquisition, Hitler and his entire staff were Christians themselves.
Christians are the definition of the word hypocrite. Christians run up in other people’s countries, and brainwash the innocent into believing that their way of life is inferior to yours, and that if one does not accept "Jesus Christ" as their savior they will burn in Hell eternally. But I ask you who’s to say that Christians follow Jesus?
The bottom line is, the most evil actions ever performed on the face of the earth, are attributed to none other then European/American Christians, and their conquests in the name of greed and capitalism. Christianity was always meant to be a bloody religion, as it was fashioned by Constantine who saw a cross in his dream and with it he read "In this sign we shall conquer".
All this and the simple fact is that Jesus himself did not even sanctify Christianity. Nowhere in the bible did the word Christianity comes out of his mouth, as he instructed his disciples to keep the original commandments given by the most high. Jesus never said "worship me", nor did he claim to be God.
Jesus DID in fact state however that "Many in the future shall come in his name, but believe them not, for they are liars".
If Christians alone have the truth, then why is it that it was only they who believed that the Earth was flat, when the rest of the civilized world in fact knew it was spherical in shape, thousands of years before Jesus was even on the scene?
If Christians alone know the truth, then why is it that they thought that the Earth was the center of the universe, when the rest of the world knew that that was false?
Why is it that Christians had absolutely NO knowledge of astronomy, the stars, or outer space, when the rest of the world had advances astronomical knowledge complete with solar and lunar calendars?
Christians have not only been the most violent people on the earth, but they have also been the stupidest. And History will back up that fact…
The cost to humanity of fifteen centuries of Christian savagery, of hundreds of millions of lives brutalised and truncated, sacrificed to war, torture, pogroms, burning, pestilence and plague is incalculable.
Christianity is the worst disaster in human history

I agree.... that's why I quoted Hitler... to show the idiocy.

Mona Lott wrote:

<quoted text>I agree.... that's why I quoted Hitler... to show the idiocy.

Christians are quick to deny Hitler

http://www.humanitas-international.org/showca...

"I SAY: MY FEELING AS A CHRISTIAN POINTS ME TO MY LORD AND SAVIOUR AS A FIGHTER. IT POINTS ME TO THE MAN WHO ONCE IN LONELINESS, SURROUNDED ONLY BY A FEW FOLLOWERS, RECOGNIZED THESE JEWS FOR WHAT THEY WERE AND SUMMONED MEN TO THE FIGHT AGAINST THEM AND WHO, GOD'S TRUTH! WAS GREATEST NOT AS SUFFERER BUT AS FIGHTER. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and of adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison."

If a picture is worth 1000 words...

http://anticlerical.multiply.com/photos/album...

Brian_G wrote:

Leftism is destroying authority.

Actually, that would be ignorant people who don't understand the US Constitution, like yourself.

Feel free to cite a compelling state interest served by denying same sex couples equal protection of the law to marry, which would render such a restriction constitutional.I don't think you are capable of doing so.

lides wrote:

Feel free to cite a compelling state interest served by denying same sex couples equal protection of the law to marry, which would render such a restriction constitutional.I don't think you are capable of doing so.

Feel free to list your credentials, those that show you are qualified to determine what is and what isn't consitutional.
I've been waiting for those. List your law schools, publications, years of professional practice, offices held, etc.

Wondering wrote:

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Feel free to list your credentials, those that show you are qualified to determine what is and what isn't consitutional.
I've been waiting for those. List your law schools, publications, years of professional practice, offices held, etc.

Why do you hate the constitution and freedom and equality??? I hear Iran would be a nation you would fit into good.

Wondering wrote:

Feel free to list your credentials, those that show you are qualified to determine what is and what isn't consitutional[sic].
I've been waiting for those. List your law schools, publications, years of professional practice, offices held, etc.

Funny how, when you can't prove your own position, that you start calling into question the "credentials" of others.

I don't need to furnish you with anything. You certainly haven't furnished any of the rest of us with a rational foundation for your argument.

I am looking forward with great anticipation to your citation of a legitimate state interest served by denying same sex couples the right to marry.

lides wrote:

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Funny how, when you can't prove your own position, that you start calling into question the "credentials" of others.
I don't need to furnish you with anything. You certainly haven't furnished any of the rest of us with a rational foundation for your argument.
I am looking forward with great anticipation to your citation of a legitimate state interest served by denying same sex couples the right to marry.

Translation: You CAN'T furnish me with anything because you have nothing but your opinion. You have no credentials and you're talking out of your butt.

Amazing how you are so quick to dismiss lawyers, some justices and others when you don't qualify as a rank amature law enthusiast. Like I've said all along, your opinion is irrelevant. You sure do know how to make yourself look like a fool.

HATE wrote:

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Why do you hate the constitution and freedom and equality??? I hear Iran would be a nation you would fit into good.

Do you take stupid pills or were you just born that way?

Wondering wrote:

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Traditional marriage in the US is the wedding one one man to one woman. It has always been this way.

You are redefining "traditional" to suit your needs, ignoring that marriage has changed in many significant ways over time. Yet even if there were such a thing as "traditional marriage", tradition alone is not a legitimate governmental interest sufficient for denial of equal rights.

"Tradition alone, however, cannot form an adequate justification for a law….The ‘ancient lineage” of a classification does not render it legitimate….Instead, the government must have an interest separate and apart from the fact of tradition itself.”(Golinski v.)

Wondering wrote:

Translation: You CAN'T furnish me with anything because you have nothing but your opinion. You have no credentials and you're talking out of your butt.
Amazing how you are so quick to dismiss lawyers, some justices and others when you don't qualify as a rank amature[sic] law enthusiast. Like I've said all along, your opinion is irrelevant. You sure do know how to make yourself look like a fool.

The truth of the matter is that I don't need to.

I do find it hysterical that you ask, or that you think that my "credentials" are relevant to this thread.

In reality, this just looks like another pathetic dodge because you can't rebut my arguments with a rational argument.