Obama says nation's seniors will be 'out of luck' under Romney; Republican jabs back on jobs

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President Barack Obama speaks at a campaign event at the Prime Osborn Convention Center in Jacksonville, Fla., Thursday, July 19, 2012.
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Cat74

Mchenry, IL

#432 Aug 1, 2012
Neither Santorum, nor Perry got very far in the primaries. Romney is the leader, and he has not said he wanted to do away with S S. We are going to have to make changes just to keep it afloat, but unless we let the younger people make private investments, as well as the Government collecting less then we do today, it is pretty much dead anyway for anyone under 50.
JDC

El Paso, TX

#433 Aug 1, 2012
Pamela wrote:
<quoted text>Rand Paul, Paul Ryan, Mike Lee, Alan West, Ron Paul, Marco Rubio, Tom Colburn, Paul Ryan, Mitt Romney (who loves Paul Ryan's plan), Michele Bachmann, Rick Perry, Rick Santorum.
These folks have NEVER EVER proposed to eliminate SS and medicare.

As a so called Ron Paul supporter you should know better. He does not want to eliminate it, but gradually phase it out over time and leave present beneficiaries untouched, hardly eliminating the program.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#434 Aug 2, 2012
The tea party wants $120 TRILLION more out of SS and Medicare than they paid in, they want $120 trillion dollars of socialism from the government and they go on and on about they hate socialism. It makes no sense. You people want to end the massive socialism on everyone under 50 thinking that you can collect all of that stuff yourselves. You can't. It's pay as you go. The money paid in today, this month, goes out at the end of this month to the 60 million people on SS, and Medicare is so bankrupt that we borrow money from China to give people Medicare. The minute you no longer have young workers paying in, it ends on everyone. It's funded month to month. So the idea that people over 55 will be able to get SS and Medicare and you can end it on everyone under 50 is insane. And, the idea that a "tea party" wants SS and medicare, big cash and health care from the government in the amount of $120 TRILLION more than they paid in and they lie that they hate socialism and that they hate those who are on the government. I have said everyday for over 4 years that the tea party is all old people fighting for them to get all of the tax money, fighting for them to get all of the socialism. It's the same stuff every single day. Not until they have run to the republicans and tried to keep SS and Medicare with the Repubs and not until the Repubs cut SS and Medicare, will they ever shut shut up and go away. We can't have a political group going around saying they hate socialism and demanding $120 trillion dollars of socialism. It's so stupid and it's such a lie that it's insane.

the old people in this country have all of the money and yet they want to get all of the government money too and they want to cut out their children and grandchildren from everything, from SS, Medicare, Pell Grants, government pensions so that they themselves can collect all of the government monies. What greedy people. And, why do they have kids when they completely turn on their kids and all they care about is that they want to live really fat retired off of the government. They don't have family values, they don't care about their offspring, they don't educate their kids, they know their kids have no money and no opportunities in this country and they want to end SS and Medicare on them too. All they care about is the old people think they can somehow live like it's 1950 and the country is rich and they want to live fat on 3-4 government pensions and on government health care at the expense of everyone else in the country. These people have nothing to do with patriotism or common sense or with being fiscal conservatives. It's a fight for them to get all of the tax money for themselves. All they care about is them living fat while the country goes under and the young people all live dirt poor. Hardly Christian values, hardly family values, hardly patriotic.
Obama Ass Kissers

AOL

#435 Aug 2, 2012
Pamela wrote:
<quoted text>It is the UNITED STATES, the states united to form a country. All you can say is this state is no good, that state is good?????????? Get lost. That's not patriotic. you want me to defend my state, bla, bla, bla, hate this state, this city, stupid crap.
First you hate other countries, then you hate states in your own country, then cities, then races of people, then ages of people. According to you people ONLY old white uneducated people are the only real Americans. ONLY the greedy old farts who want several government pensions and who want government health care are somehow the ONLY real Americans. Buzz off with your stupidity and violence.
Hey smooth brain, blah blah blah, yada yada, whine snivel and drool all over yourself and bray like donkey.

Oh clairvoyant one, who see's all, and knows all, why aren't "you" running for President?

By the way, fck you and the Ouija Board you use to come up with all the B.S. drivel you post about people who disagree with "your" politics. You don't know your ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to your assumptions about other people. You fckin' California assholes are all alike. You "know" everything, but your State is a bankrupt crime ridden third world province of Mexico because of morons like you.

Now go run along you Obama sock puppet shill and stick your nose up Ed Shultz's ass for some "new" far left talking points... Your blather is so 2008-ish.

You must be dealing with a severe case of LIS 1...
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#436 Aug 2, 2012
Cat74 wrote:
Neither Santorum, nor Perry got very far in the primaries. Romney is the leader, and he has not said he wanted to do away with S S. We are going to have to make changes just to keep it afloat, but unless we let the younger people make private investments, as well as the Government collecting less then we do today, it is pretty much dead anyway for anyone under 50.
They first change they are going to make is that people like you who never worked and who paid ZERO into SS and Medicare will no longer be able to collect SS and Medicare. The Cato Institute wants to do that. You never worked and didn't pay taxes and your only concern is you collecting government money for free and you getting government health care for free, that means you are a big, fat socialist. You have your hand out for government money and for government health care for the rest of your life when you never paid any taxes, making you a huge socialist. You want all these young people who work and pay in to get nothing out of it so that you, who never worked, can get all of that socialism for yourself. Your ONLY issue is you want SS and medicare without you ever having to pay one cent into either program. That hardly makes you conservative or a capitalist. It means you want welfare and you love the social programs. Social means socialist stupid idiot. You're too dumb to even work for one day and you want all of this money and medical care from the government and then all of your posts are the exact opposite. You pretend that you work and pay taxes and you pretend that you hate people on welfare, but you are trying to get all of this government welfare for yourself. You say you hate socialism but your ONLY issue is you want socialist security and GOVERNMENT medical care - that is what socialism is. You people can't pick and choose which socialism you want and don't want and then all go around and say that Obama is an evil socialist while the whole lot of you are doing nothing more than asking for $120 TRILLION in unfunded liabilities from SS and Medicare. This stuff is such a pile of crap. No one has ever seen anything so stupid.

If you want to get money from the government and health care from the government without you ever working then you love welfare and you are for socialism, obviously. If you all want $120 TRILLION more out of SS and Medicare than you paid in, you have to increase taxes massively in order to get that amount of money. The money is not going to fall out of the sky. There is no pot of money sitting in SS and Medicare. The minute you cut your kids off of it, they no longer pay in, you do not get your welfare check and you don't get your government health care. if you love government pensions and you love government health care, you are a socialist. Get a clue.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#437 Aug 2, 2012
Obama Ass Kissers wrote:
<quoted text>Hey smooth brain, blah blah blah, yada yada, whine snivel and drool all over yourself and bray like donkey.
Oh clairvoyant one, who see's all, and knows all, why aren't "you" running for President?
By the way, fck you and the Ouija Board you use to come up with all the B.S. drivel you post about people who disagree with "your" politics. You don't know your ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to your assumptions about other people. You fckin' California assholes are all alike. You "know" everything, but your State is a bankrupt crime ridden third world province of Mexico because of morons like you.
Now go run along you Obama sock puppet shill and stick your nose up Ed Shultz's ass for some "new" far left talking points... Your blather is so 2008-ish.
You must be dealing with a severe case of LIS 1...
I have been voting Republican for 36 years and I am a Ron Paul supporter. I did not vote for Obama, never voted Dem in my life. the fact that violent, very low IQ idiots like you can only post stupid crap like that shows how dumb you are. You are dumb as a fence post and that's why you are sooooo violent. Dumb and violent always go together. I bet you are a big Fox follower. Everyone of those people has an IQ of 90 or less. Same stuff everyday for 4 years now. Your IQ is even lower than 90. That's why you are violent. This stuff is too low to go. this is all people with IQs of 40 or more points below mine and they are all very abusive because of it. This is like my trying to live in a ghetto. this is ridiculous that the U.S. has been reduced to 90 point IQ idiots. this is a sick third world country loaded full of violent low intelligence morons. That's why they are so fat too. It's all way dumbed down lazy violent type of people in the U.S.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#438 Aug 2, 2012
And how do all of these low IQ people who can't ever think and can't read one book and who are like the people in Afghanistan, functionally illiterate, how in the world do they think they can compete with the rest of the developed world who is much smarter and stronger and much more educated? The world is sick of fat stupid Americans bombing them. You can't just borrow money forever to bomb the crap out of everybody else. And, with 90 percent of the people being really stupid like this, there is no way the U.S. can survive. The strength of a nation is how intelligent and how educated it's people are. If everyone here is dumb, you can't get anywhere with research and development so you can't invent things and the few who do are not going to carry the dumbed down masses on their backs. The rich took all their money out of the country. Look how that guy who created Facebook gave up his citizenship and left. The few left who are smart and who invent things are not going to carry the dumbed down masses anymore, that's plain to see. The rich took $27 trilion out of the country cause they see what I see, all of the people are too stupid to survive. that's why they split.
Obama Ass Kissers

AOL

#439 Aug 2, 2012
Pamela wrote:
<quoted text>I have been voting Republican for 36 years and I am a Ron Paul supporter. I did not vote for Obama, never voted Dem in my life. the fact that violent, very low IQ idiots like you can only post stupid crap like that shows how dumb you are. You are dumb as a fence post and that's why you are sooooo violent. Dumb and violent always go together. I bet you are a big Fox follower. Everyone of those people has an IQ of 90 or less. Same stuff everyday for 4 years now. Your IQ is even lower than 90. That's why you are violent. This stuff is too low to go. this is all people with IQs of 40 or more points below mine and they are all very abusive because of it. This is like my trying to live in a ghetto. this is ridiculous that the U.S. has been reduced to 90 point IQ idiots. this is a sick third world country loaded full of violent low intelligence morons. That's why they are so fat too. It's all way dumbed down lazy violent type of people in the U.S.
Here we go again... blah blah blah, "YOU" bet... You're hilarious...

Well, "I" bet that you're a typical fckin' motor mouth California egotistical moron loon and that "your" I.Q. isn't any higher than both of your shoe sizes added together.

Now be a good little Obama sock puppet shill and run along... Oh, and don't forget to take your LIS 1 meds...

Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#440 Aug 2, 2012
Obama Ass Kissers wrote:
<quoted text>Here we go again... blah blah blah, "YOU" bet... You're hilarious...
Well, "I" bet that you're a typical fckin' motor mouth California egotistical moron loon and that "your" I.Q. isn't any higher than both of your shoe sizes added together.
Now be a good little Obama sock puppet shill and run along... Oh, and don't forget to take your LIS 1 meds...
What a stupid idiot. You are too dumb to exist, seriously. If this place was monitored, you would be put out of here.
JDC

El Paso, TX

#442 Aug 2, 2012
Pamela wrote:
<quoted text>I have been voting Republican for 36 years and I am a Ron Paul supporter.
And yet you seem to know little about his positions. You stated above he wants to end SS and medicare, which is an outright lie.

And I cannot believe you are a RP supporter when you refer to the tax cuts as "spending by the government". Since when is it considered "spending" when a person is allowed to keep more of their earnings?

You talk out of both sides of your mouth, which could possibly give you a future in policies.

And enough of the tea party crap. You act as if they are an organization with a leader and set policies and positions. Due in large part to the fiscal irresponsibility of the GOP, the Tea Party was formed and grew organically across the country as millions promised to hold our weak-kneed Republican politicans’ feet to the fire. The truth though, is that the anger and frustration so clearly demonstrated in the Tea Party movement was born not out of the actions of one man, but out of years and years, decades even, of being hung out to dry by our entire government. We knew where the Democrats stood in regards to big government, but it was the republican party that was supposed to stand for limited government which doubled the size of government between 2000 and 2008. It wasn’t the Democrats alone who doubled the size of the Department of Education and bailed out the banks in 2008, added new entitlements and cabinet agencies... it was the Republicans, the so called limited-government Fiscal Conservatives.
Cat74

Palatine, IL

#444 Aug 2, 2012
Poor Pamela. No you are not a recovering Republican. Republicans, and Democrats stand for different issues, Republicans want smaller, simpler, Government. They could never support people like you. Once again as those Southern ladies say, "Bless your Heart."

“To contract new debts...”

Since: Apr 08

is not the way to pay old ones

#445 Aug 2, 2012
Pamela wrote:
And how do all of these low IQ people who can't ever think and can't read one book and who are like the people in Afghanistan, functionally illiterate, how in the world do they think they can compete with the rest of the developed world who is much smarter and stronger and much more educated? The world is sick of fat stupid Americans bombing them. You can't just borrow money forever to bomb the crap out of everybody else. And, with 90 percent of the people being really stupid like this, there is no way the U.S. can survive. The strength of a nation is how intelligent and how educated it's people are. If everyone here is dumb, you can't get anywhere with research and development so you can't invent things and the few who do are not going to carry the dumbed down masses on their backs. The rich took all their money out of the country. Look how that guy who created Facebook gave up his citizenship and left. The few left who are smart and who invent things are not going to carry the dumbed down masses anymore, that's plain to see. The rich took $27 trilion out of the country cause they see what I see, all of the people are too stupid to survive. that's why they split.
I do truely hope that you are drop dead gorgeous, because to be that ignorant, insane and stupid on top of looking like a troll would really suck!

“Liberal Teachers ruin Kids”

Since: Mar 09

Paradise Valley Arizona

#447 Aug 2, 2012
Liberals don't educate their kids to seeing our reality, Yes we are the next GREECE
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#448 Aug 3, 2012
JDC wrote:
<quoted text>
And yet you seem to know little about his positions. You stated above he wants to end SS and medicare, which is an outright lie.
And I cannot believe you are a RP supporter when you refer to the tax cuts as "spending by the government". Since when is it considered "spending" when a person is allowed to keep more of their earnings?
You talk out of both sides of your mouth, which could possibly give you a future in policies.
And enough of the tea party crap. You act as if they are an organization with a leader and set policies and positions. Due in large part to the fiscal irresponsibility of the GOP, the Tea Party was formed and grew organically across the country as millions promised to hold our weak-kneed Republican politicans’ feet to the fire. The truth though, is that the anger and frustration so clearly demonstrated in the Tea Party movement was born not out of the actions of one man, but out of years and years, decades even, of being hung out to dry by our entire government. We knew where the Democrats stood in regards to big government, but it was the republican party that was supposed to stand for limited government which doubled the size of government between 2000 and 2008. It wasn’t the Democrats alone who doubled the size of the Department of Education and bailed out the banks in 2008, added new entitlements and cabinet agencies... it was the Republicans, the so called limited-government Fiscal Conservatives.
I've read Ron Paul's books. He's really a Libertarian. He wants to end welfare, the old entitlements, spending on all of these wars. His idea is to end income taxes and to shrink the federal government down to almost nothing so that it doesn't have any power to harm the people, so that the people are in control, not a big federal government that is corrupt, that is owned by the rich, by the oil companies, the corporations, the mega banks, etc. He's right to take on both parties big spending. If you look at the Dems' and the Repubs' budgets, both parties end up running the debt up to $25 trillion, they just spend it on different things. Neither party is even looking at a balanced budget in the next ten years. The Dems spend it on welfare and on big government pensions and the Repubs spend it on wars and on tax breaks for the wealthy.

My point about taxation is that if the tea party wants Social Security and Medicare and they want a war with Iran, then you would have to raise taxes enormously in order to fund the $120 trillion in debt in SS and Medicare and to pay for another war. The last two wars are not paid for.

What I don't like about the tea party is they want more wars and those big entitlements and that's where most of the federal spending is, so we would have taxes substantially in order to meet the tea party demands. So they have to look at the fact that they claim they want lower taxes but they want all of this massive federal spending. 80 of the federal budget goes to SS, Medicare and military spending, so they can't all keep talking about they want another big war and they want those big social programs and not raise taxes.

And obvioulsy the other problem with them is all they are after is that government health care and government monies from SS, so they are all socialist by their demands.

The other problem is they don't go and try to get rid of both parties. They let Fox tell them to put the Repubs back in and to want a war with Iran. So they're wasting everyone's time demanding huge spending on military and on entitlements and not stepping up to the plate with ideas of new taxes to fund those things that they want. Their idea about things is they can can somehow demand big huge spending on them and that taxes won't have to be raised, just cut everyone else out and pay them. Life doesn't work that way, and, like Anne Coulter said, in 5 more years just SS and Medicare will use up 97 percent of the budget, so we can't let the tea party demand that.
JDC

El Paso, TX

#449 Aug 3, 2012
Pamela wrote:
<quoted text>I've read Ron Paul's books.
Then why do you lies about his position on SS and Medicare? He does not want to eliminate it as you have stated.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#450 Aug 3, 2012
Vance1 wrote:
Liberals don't educate their kids to seeing our reality, Yes we are the next GREECE
We are like Greece because of our promises in local and state pensions and because of Social Security and Medicare and because we have these big, huge expensive wars. You people think that we are in all of this debt over welfare. It's not like that. The biggest expense is SS and Medicare and you all want that. Those people in Greece and now you see them in Spain too, the ones rioting are old well to do people who were living off of government pensions and off of SS and government health care, like Medicare. So you can't both demand SS and Medicare and say it's so horrible that we are like. SS and Medicare and our wars are the reasons we are like Greece. Are you all willing to take big cuts to SS and Medicare to have austerity measures like Greece had to do??? No, none of you want to take any of the spending cuts. That's why the protest. They're doing it in Spain now. They don't need all that money and Spain is broke. But those older people want all of that government money, so when those countries governments cut their pensions back and their SS and health care back, the old people riot.

In Greece they refused to pay their taxes. They have value added taxes so they go and buy in the black market, tax free and they refused to pay their income taxes and yet they were retiring at 50 on big government pensions and on SS and old aged health care, so the country went broke from it.
JDC

El Paso, TX

#451 Aug 3, 2012
Pamela wrote:
<quoted text>He's right to take on both parties big spending. If you look at the Dems' and the Repubs' budgets, both parties end up running the debt up to $25 trillion, they just spend it on different things.
That is exactly what the tea party is doing, yet you claim that the party supports socialism. Your take on the position of the tea party is totally backward.
JDC

El Paso, TX

#452 Aug 3, 2012
Pamela wrote:
<quoted text>
My point about taxation is that if the tea party wants Social Security and Medicare and they want a war with Iran,
As Ronald Reagan said, "There you go again".

AS I just posted this is not what the tea party stands for.

The tea party is not an organized political party with specific leaders or even a national platform. It is a grassroots movement that was born out of the fiscal irresponsibility of dysfunctional Washington DC.

Somehow you think they stand for socialism.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#453 Aug 3, 2012
When people of a country say no taxes, no more taxes, but, give us several government pensions and give us government health care, the politicians start borrowing money to pay voters these government benefits until it gets to the point where they can't pay the interest on the debt, then they realize they can't ever pay that debt back, then they realize they have to cut those big payments way back. And then the people riot and blame the banks, blame the U.S., blame everyone except for themselves. Well, if you refuse to pay enough taxes to fund the money you want from the government and your country borrows money, the country ends up going under from the debt. It's the fault of the people. They want everything for nothing and the politicians are afraid to speak up to the voters, so they borrow money based on future growth that never happens and then entire countries go under from debt.

this is why you have to go Libertarian where the government no longer gives out welfare, where it no longer gives out defined long term pensions to government workers and it no longer promises SS and Medicare to people. The only way a country can survive long term is if everyone has to save for their own retirements and the governments get out of the business of promising people multiple pensions and health care for 30-40 years retired. This is where all the money is going. Another city in CA just went bankrupt this week over the pension promises. And they are all going to end up doing this. The politicians told old people that they could give everyone a $50,000 to $250,000 government pension and give them SS and full medical care and a VA pension and VA health care. Well, now all of this stuff has come due and they can't pay for it. There is no one to pay for these things. The young people are mainly Mexicans on welfare, they are not paying taxes, they using up tax money. There's no one paying, everyone is taking. this is the problem.
JDC

El Paso, TX

#454 Aug 3, 2012
Pamela wrote:
<quoted text
What I don't like about the tea party is they want more wars and those big entitlements and that's where most of the federal spending is, so we would have taxes substantially in order to meet the tea party demands. So they have to look at the fact that they claim they want lower taxes but they want all of this massive federal spending.
OK. I'll bite. Give me one, just one tea party member out of literally millions that have stated that position.

I'm trying to figure if you are that uninformed or just lying to make your false argument. It obviously has to be either or.

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