Some US executions held up by shortage of drug

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Daniel wrote:

The death penalty is important, as the government is in place to render vengeance for God ( Romans 13). Those who are against it are against God. When God regulated the death penalty it was by stoning according to the Law of Moses. It was meant to instill fear in those guilty and discourage others from taking life. Oh but we are better than that! We try to give the criminal a death that is better than most of us will suffer. Only after 20 years that we have given them everything they need. So that the innocent suffer, because we are so good the the killer. We say we have tried the death penalty and it doesn't save lives. Try it Gods way and forget the self-righteousness, then we will see the difference, then there will be a true comparison. Gods punishment is quick and terrible. Like Hell, it instills fear.

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Daniel wrote:

The death penalty is important, as the government is in place to render vengeance for God ( Romans 13). Those who are against it are against God. When God regulated the death penalty it was by stoning according to the Law of Moses. It was meant to instill fear in those guilty and discourage others from taking life. Oh but we are better than that! We try to give the criminal a death that is better than most of us will suffer. Only after 20 years that we have given them everything they need. So that the innocent suffer, because we are so good the the killer. We say we have tried the death penalty and it doesn't save lives. Try it Gods way and forget the self-righteousness, then we will see the difference, then there will be a true comparison. Gods punishment is quick and terrible. Like Hell, it instills fear.

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Dan the Man wrote:

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What religion do you follow again? Because you certainly aren't a follower of Jesus.

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I follow Jesus. But without the traditions and doctrines of men to the best of my ability. Tell me, is the government supposed to render vengeance for God or not? If you say not it is definitely you who have the problem with Jesus. Read Romans 13.

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Jim Wright wrote:

Seperation of church and state folks. We need to keep all religions out of the discussion of politics. We as a people will never agree on religion and that is our right.
With that being said. FIRING SQUAD. Less expense, less preperation, and less tax payer money, and quicker.

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Dan the Man wrote:

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Maybe you should also read Romans 12. It describes the Christian attitude.

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Really wrote:

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Perhaps you should move to a middle eastern country that shares your theological values.

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Daniel wrote:

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I have that attitude. That is how we deal with things personally. Romans 13 describes what the government is to do, and that was what was under discussion.

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Dan the Man wrote:

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You claimed that being against the death penalty is against God. There is nothing in the New Testament to support that.
Just because a government decides to implement the death penalty doesn't mean God supports it. Governments aren't given free reign by God to do what they please. And God certainly isn't calling his people to give blessing to government actions that are clearly against God's will.

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What do You think is meant by, "For he is God's minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword for nothing for he is God's minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil"(Rom 13:4). What exactly do you think the sword is for?

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Dan the Man wrote:

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It doesn't mean "executions" because the Roman government didn't execute people with swords. The word "sword" is used symbolically here for keeping order.

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Daniel here with my last reply for while.
Really, how did Herod have John the baptist head cut off? So the question is who is speaking the truth? This is not a game of words.
God has made his position clear. But only those who love the truth will ever see it. The death penalty was before the law of Moses(Gen 9:6) it was in the Law of Moses, and it was there to protect the innocent. It is really sad when those who claim to follow Jesus do not want the government to protect the innocent, and so render vengeance for God.

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Seriously? You're going to imply I'm lying because you thought Herod was a Roman? Herod was a Jewish king subject to Jewish laws. His actions had nothing to do with how the Roman government executed people.
God has CERTAINLY made his position clear - we are not to kill, we are to return good for evil, we are to turn the other cheek, we are to love our enemies. That is God's will for how his people should live.
God also acknowledges that the world doesn't live like that, but that in no way means that he APPROVES of the ways of the world. He wants everyone to live the way he created us to live so our mission as Christians is to call the government to something better - not take vicarious pleasure in the evil ways they punish crime. And CERTAINLY not to claim that when the government executes someone that they are somehow living into God's will for them.
Denying the executing people is God's will for governments in NO WAY means that I don't believe the government should protect the innocent. Protecting the innocent does NOT mean executing people, and there's nothing in the New Testament that says it does. That is your reading into the Bible things that aren't there.
Only those who love the truth will ever see it. But if you're blinded by your own wishes of vengeance and if you take pleasure when the government does things that are CLEARLY outside of God's will for ALL the human beings he created - including those who work for the government, then you will certainly not see the truth. You will instead project your fallen human feelings onto God and claim that sinful violence is his will.

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Daniel here,
We both agree on how people are to act personally, we are never to render our own vengeance.( Rom 12)
It doesn't matter that Herod was a Jew, he was a "pro-roman" Jew. Herod would have had no power except what was granted to him by the Romans. So the sword is used to kill James by Herod (Acts 12:1-2). Yet you want us to believe that the the sword that is the instrument of vengeance mentioned in Romans 13. Is something less than capital punishment. The problem is that you are self-righteous. You think that you are better than what is "written".

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Daniel here,
We both agree on how people are to act personally, we are never to render our own vengeance.( Rom 12)
It doesn't matter that Herod was a Jew, he was a "pro-roman" Jew. Herod would have had no power except what was granted to him by the Romans. So the sword is used to kill James by Herod (Acts 12:1-2). Yet you want us to believe that the the sword that is the instrument of vengeance mentioned in Romans 13. Is something less than capital punishment. The problem is that you are self-righteous. You think that you are better than what is "written".