Helena has shut vindicatemj-calls sanemj out for his evil ways

Yes, I have shut the blog, but not because Sanemjfan is a "fraud". He studies the transcripts a lot and is thorough in presenting this material to his readers.

My issue with him was his rude language and behavior, however the people at Topix have nothing to boast of in this respect - you have by far outdone him.

I suspect that the way you behave here had its detrimental effect on sanemjfan, as rudeness can sometimes be contagious. So you have made your own contribution to the current division between us and can congratulate yourselves on the result.

However it does not mean that we have abandoned our work for Michael. Both of us are still there for him.

All the posts made here in the name of Helena Ovchinnikova have nothing to do with me, Vindicatemj, administrator of vindicatemj blog.

This is the usual craziness of the Topix people.

I hope not all Americans are crazy.

Why the hell did the Topix admins add "Join the community" to my username?

Mysterious things are taking place in your freedom-from-conscience blog...

Vindicatemj wrote:

All the posts made here in the name of Helena Ovchinnikova have nothing to do with me, Vindicatemj, administrator of vindicatemj blog.
This is the usual craziness of the Topix people.
I hope not all Americans are crazy.

omg, your lies are relentless. YOU WROTE ALL THAT HOGWASH! YOU OWN IT! You're busted. Keep on lying while you get outted. Oh you don't post on topix? you claimed that on vindicatemj..while stalking people on topix. Outting you losers is like taking candy from a baby. Fake Russian you are a fraud. I know because you can't access topix in Russia. Been there patholoigical liar and fraud you are.

Vindicatemj wrote:

Why the hell did the Topix admins add "Join the community" to my username?
Mysterious things are taking place in your freedom-from-conscience blog...

Yes, it's all a conspiracy against you. They are following you. The dingbat that claims not to post her. They know all your nics dingbat. you stupid or what? You can't hide your floon stench.

Vindicatemj wrote:

Why the hell did the Topix admins add "Join the community" to my username?
Mysterious things are taking place in your freedom-from-conscience blog...

Topix admins are on to you trolls. Especially, Chris Tolles, the one you slandered along with everyone else. How did that petition not work out to well for you frauds? Topix wins. You lose "Oh I never post on topix" troll. Helena Ovchinnikova is a cyber stalker and a fraud. Stop using an ip blocker trolly troll.

Vindicatemj wrote:

Yes, I have shut the blog, but not because Sanemjfan is a "fraud". He studies the transcripts a lot and is thorough in presenting this material to his readers.
My issue with him was his rude language and behavior, however the people at Topix have nothing to boast of in this respect - you have by far outdone him.
I suspect that the way you behave here had its detrimental effect on sanemjfan, as rudeness can sometimes be contagious. So you have made your own contribution to the current division between us and can congratulate yourselves on the result.
However it does not mean that we have abandoned our work for Michael. Both of us are still there for him.

Yet here you are obsessed. What a hypocrite you are! You don't catch on well do you? He never attended the trial nor did you and if he hasn't understood the trancripts by now which he does not proves him to be a liar and a fraud. I call you cyber stalkers out. Get off the net slanderer and a troll. Reading your sick blog..and you dare call people rude? Holy shit bags, you are evil..all of you. Mj is dead dummy. You ain't doing shit accept for being a cyber stalker and a loser. Twatting on the net is not working and nor is cyber harassment. Try that out in public, but you net trolls never do. Now wait till my book comes out. You cyber freaks are really gonna be scared!

sanemjfan (@sanemjfan)

Dear Debbie Kunesh: When you blocked me from the ROTD page and your personal FB page a few weeks ago, I was initially dumbfounded, as I have bent over backwards to help you and give you information. You never tried to talk to me before you blocked me, and you ignored all of my attempts to reach you. Initially, I thought it was because I committed the sin of challenging your assertion that you didn’t want to launch the project when you did when in fact you teased fans for around a week prior to the launch by saying “Are you guys READY?”,“It’s coming soon!”,“It’s coming tomorrow!”, etc.

I felt that you blocking me was the ultimate confirmation of what many people have said about you, and I decided that you were gonna hear from me one way or another, so I blasted you in public because I knew you’d be forced to pay attention to me. You replied to your readers by saying that I had sent emails to people telling them to turn against you, and I thought that it was just some lie that you pulled out of thin air.

But then I went through my sent box and saw two messages that I sent recently to Sandy Corbin and Morgan Raimondi. In those messages, I merely explained to them what was going on, and why so many people were demanding answers from you. I saw Morgan commenting on your page talking about all of the “haters”, so I wanted to let her know my side of the story, since she was labeling me as a “hater”(even though she didn’t know it.) I also sent a message to Sandy to explain the situation to her as well. I assume that one or both of them forwarded you those messages, and that is what made you upset at me.

sanemjfan..

So I went back and read those messages that I sent, and I certainly did NOT try to turn them against you or slander you! All I did was say to them the SAME THING THAT I SAID TO YOUR FACE on the ROTD page! I said that you were being dishonest in saying you didn’t want to launch the project when you did, among the other personal responsibilities that you deflected.

I will post those emails so that everyone can see for themselves what I wrote and decide if I slandered you. There were no personal attacks against you, and all I did was criticize your actions, so please stop lying to your readers by telling them I slandered you! I think you were upset that I dared challenge you about the problematic launch of your project, and you’re using those emails as a pretext.

I challenge you to post the emails on your page and let your friends decide if you’re being honest! And if you have any other emails that you claim that I sent out, then do me a favor:

PUT UP OR SHUT UP!

Post them on your page, or if you don’t want to, then forward them to me so I can see for myself what I allegedly wrote about you!

As for your claim that I “told” you what to include on your website, you know damn well that’s not true! I suggested a lot of information for you because you said you were working on a “critic’s site” that would not be targeted at fans, but rather skeptics who wanted to ask the tough questions about MJ. I never TOLD you to include anything, so please stop lying to your readers.

When I said that I was spoon feeding you, it’s in regards to the questions you asked me last summer when you were working on the “Debunking the Demonic Myth” post,questions about the 2 jurors who lied and said MJ was guilty after he was acquitted, the prosecution’s timeline, the DCFS document (which was leaked after MJ was arrested), and other basic, rudimentary facts about the case that you SHOULD have known, but you didn’t, and out of everyone that you could have asked, YOU ASKED ME!

sanemjfan..Those questions (plus the fact that you link to Wikipedia not once but TWICE on your website) are symptomatic of your lack of knowledge of a lot of basic facts about the allegations, and that’s why I offered you so much info for your critic’s site. If you’re going to be an MJ advocate, then you should have an understanding of the fundamentals of the case, and you should know where to look to find the answers. There’s no reason why you should have needed to ask me or ANYONE about those 2 jurors or the prosecutor’s timeline!

Here’s some advice for you: on your ROTD website, on the accusations page, in the “Get Informed” box, you like to Wikipedia on the following 2 links:“A Breakdown of the Trial for easier comprehension” and “Information on both cases”. Instead of linking to Wikipedia, why not take the time to research the facts and WRITE YOUR OWN BREAKDOWN OF THE TRIAL! Since you’re not running the ROTD facebook page anymore, you should have some free time on your hands, so you should put it to good use. It’s almost 3 years after MJ’s death, and your website is STILL linking to Wikipedia? I can understand if you weren’t that knowledgeable at first, but come on Debbie?!!

It’s 2012, and you’re STILL linking to Wikipedia??!!! Seriously??!!!!

Also, to help you become more knowledgeable about the 2005 trial, beyond what you already know from reading MJ Conspiracy (that’s if you read it instead of just skimming through it; Aphrodite Jones talked about those 2 jurors you asked me about, which makes me wonder why you had to ask me in the first place!), why don’t you start reading my trial summaries? I’ve already posted the summary of the opening statements, and this will also clear up your misconceptions on the prosecutor’s timeline that you asked me about last year.

And while you’re at it, you should read my summary of Jason Francia’s testimony. You know, one of MJ’s accusers who also got a settlement in the early 90’s. Neither you nor Dr. Moriarty have summaries of his testimony on your website or in her book, respectively, so I guess you both feel that he isn’t important enough for fans to know about, despite the fact that he could have sent MJ to jail in 2005 had the jury believed his claims!

As for your friend Dr. Moriarty, I have no regrets whatsoever for giving her book the flogging that it deserved! She should be ashamed of herself for such sloppy and half-hearted research! And you’re helping to peddle that book to gullible, unsuspecting fans who are desperate for anything positive on MJ! If Dr. Moriarty respected the fan community, she wouldn’t have cited Wikipedia, TMZ, Radar Online! And if you don’t believe me, check her list of source documents at the back of the book!

You claim to be a journalist, yet you threw away your journalistic integrity simply because you’re “friends” with the author! That’s so unprofessional! You didn’t give that book any scrutiny whatsoever!

Did I mention you at all in that review? NO!! So why were you so defensive about the book? Oh, that’s right, you’re friends with Dr. Moriarty! That explains it! You know you can’t refute any of the VALID criticisms I have about the book, so you tried to attack me personally by saying I had an ego! Let me ask you this: is there some under the table financial incentive for you to get a commission based off of sales of the book? If not, why would you try to rebut my review?

Dr. Moriarty completely reinforced the stereotype that fans are not capable of writing competently and objectively about the celebrities that they admire, and YOU reinforced the stereotype that fans of a celebrity will approve of ANYTHING written about that celebrity, regardless of how sloppy the research is, as long as it’s positive!

You claimed that I had a negative tone in that review, but that’s just another pretext. You would be upset at ANYONE who bravely called out Dr. Moriarty’s mistakes because you can’t handle the truth!

Compare my review to all of those reviews that gave the book 5 stars, and you’ll notice how short and without substance those reviews are! How can someone review a 500 page book in 5 or 10 sentences? Because the person didn’t scrutinize the book and is writing based off of emotions, that’s how!

You mentioned that I don’t have any industry contacts, and that I haven’t interviewed any of MJ’s friends and confidants; yet, despite that, I STILL have more respect in the fan community than you because people trust my judgment and work ethic! I am NOT “smarter” or “more intelligent” than anyone else, but I AM a hard worker, and the fan community notices it!

And I don’t go around blocking every single person who disagrees with me! I actually ENCOURAGE people to challenge me if they disagree with anything I say or write!

So in closing, I’ll wait for you to post all of this “evidence” that you have about me slandering you in emails, but I won’t hold my breath for it, because you don’t have any! I posted the emails that I sent out, and everyone will see for themselves that you’re lying about me! In fact, here is what you said about me a few weeks ago:

“What David fails to mention is that the time he keeps insisting that he was not being rude to me on the ROTD page, he was also sending around emails to other MJ fans as well as to my personal friends on FB, trying to get them to turn against me and saying nasty things about me. I’ve seen the emails. Maybe you should ask him about that. Would any of you entertain a person like this on your own pages?”

I said this earlier, but I’ll say it again:

PUT UP OR SHUT UP!

As for Sandy Corbin and Morgan Raimondi unfriending me, you can tell them that I COULDN’T CARE LESS! I didn’t send them friend requests in 2010; they sent ME friend requests! They wanted to meet up with me when they found out we live in the same city! I didn’t lose a single nanosecond of sleep over it! My friendship with them wasn’t mutually beneficial. They’re both a bunch of cowards for unfriending me and not hearing my side of the story! And you can tell them I said that!

Maybe the next time you need help with the allegations, they can help you! Or maybe your friend Dr. Moriarty can help you, since you believe that she’s such a great researcher!

What you don’t realize, Debbie Kunesh, is that by blocking me from the ROTD page, you’re not hurting me; YOU’RE HURTING YOUR READERS! I’ve posted a lot of good information on your page over the years, and you know this, but now all of a sudden I’m blocked?

You should learn to take personal responsibility for your actions instead of playing the victim card and “bobbing and weaving” and deflecting blame.

Maybe the next time you need help with the allegations, they can help you! Or maybe your friend Dr. Moriarty can help you, since you believe that she’s such a great researcher!

What you don’t realize, Debbie Kunesh, is that by blocking me from the ROTD page, you’re not hurting me; YOU’RE HURTING YOUR READERS! I’ve posted a lot of good information on your page over the years, and you know this, but now all of a sudden I’m blocked?

You should learn to take personal responsibility for your actions instead of playing the victim card and “bobbing and weaving” and deflecting blame.

If I had known about your project in advance, I would have respectfully advised you not to go through with it because, as you’ve already stated, you did NOT have the Estate’s permission, and fans would justifiably question you about it.

Unlike you, Debbie Kunesh, I had the wisdom and the foresight to realize that you shouldn’t try to raise thousands of dollars to fund something that has not already been announced!

I don’t know why you act like you’re so surprised at the reaction you got. Did you REALLY expect to raise thousands of dollars from fans, and just put it away in a bank account until an MJ children’s hospital is announced? How long were you going to wait until you donated the money to another cause? 1 year? 5 years? 10 years?

One last thing: I would also suggest cleaning your bathroom tiles with some good old fashioned Pine-Sol cleaner, because once all of the dirt has been mopped away, you won’t have to worry about seeing any more images of MJ in your tiles!

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from fake researcher sanemjfan who clearly is an ego maniac and thinks posting crap on the net is going to make him famous. A famous pedo worshipper and cyber stalker is all he is achieving. All of you are actually. Deborah will thow his sick butt under the bus. Exposed for real and he won't deal well at all in jail.

Pssst...I know you are reading this Hater Helena. You can't hide your stench.

Sanemjfan thinks twitter is in public. Good lord get this guy off the net already. Now he's fighting with other rabid fans. warning, warning, he's melting.

Hope Deborah Kunesh sues his slandering azz. Where does that mentally ill jobless troll live anyway?

You buried yourself biotch, posting bs and slander on the net is not work..idiot. Boo, hoo it's all a conspiracy against Hater Helena. Hey, you lie with flees what do you expect.

It is a shock and disappointment for me to learn that these people are thinking in terms of burying anything or anyone at all. And they are not even “aware” of the fact that the above is offensive. And they believe that this is in line with how Michael would deal with people…

Well, they were asked to leave the blog. They did not agree. Then the blog had to be closed not to leave it in the hands of those who want to bury me and my work on vindicating Michael Jackson. This is not the best way out, but the only one in the circumstances.

David Edwards is his own worst enemy. Poor Helana is going down with him. What did you expect by getting involved with such a sick evil kid. Which is what he is by the way. Stop playing a victim already! you are just as guilty as he is.

"Guys, none of you can imagine how disgusted I am by these continuing public messages from David Edwards. Oh Lord, what a mistake it was to ever let him come to my blog!

My whole-hearted desire was to leave this blog a sort of a neutral territory, clean of any disputes and dirt thrown at me behind the scenes, but unfortunately David Edwards is still “at it” and won’t leave me alone.

Now his non-stop ranting is really getting beyond the pale and makes me respond to him as I simply cannot let him spread lies about me all over the internet. Getting involved in this vulgar hassle is totally out of my character but if I keep silent people may think that the picture presented by David Edwards is correct and even my infinite patience does not allow me to put up with it any longer…"

sanemjfan..He doesn't worship MJ yet stalks people who don't? These guy is out of his sick mind.

A few months ago, Helena started to become very jealous of me due to the fact that I am more popular than her in the MJ fan community, and many fans here in America erroneously believe the Vindicate MJ blog was mine, and they routinely credit me with some of Helena’s posts. Helena was also upset because I told her that I don’t worship MJ or see him as a moral compass, that I wanted to summarize the entire 2005 trial (which would mean that I would surpass her for most posts published on the blog), and that I would not make excuses for some of his poor decisions (such as throwing water balloons at innocent bystanders without their permission). This created a lot of tension between us, and in the end her jealousy and pride got in the way of her better judgement, and she closed down the blog and disabled all commenting, and I was forced to start a new blog (with the other admin Lynette) called Michael Jackson Vindication 2.0.

Hater Helena thinks she has a good name? What are you smoking trolly troll? Put it down "He"!

Vindicatemj permalink*
June 29, 2012 12:23 pm
Linda, I am trying hard to forget all the nightmare I had to go through, but my former colleague simply does not allow it. He insists that all the dirt he says about me stays on my facebook account only and that I should not involve the blog in it. However this way people do not understand who they are actually dealing with – a person with very manipulative habits and a very strange understanding of ethics, to say the very least.

David, at first I wanted to answer you, but after seeing the language you are using will refrain from doing it.
The only comment I will make is that Vindicatemj is my username and there is nothing bad in my preferring it to my long and hardly pronouncible Russian name. Incidentally, I was named Vindicatemj by one American who opened the blog for me and asked me to post my articles there. This is how the blog started.

per sick sanemjfan..

Elena OO First of all, the only reason I even published that tweet is because I felt that Debbie Kunesh tried to diminish the help I gave her and the influence that I had on her posts by PUBLICLY telling the whole world how she was going to double check her posts to give you the proper credit you deserve. She didn’t have to tell anyone; she could have just went into her post, made the changes, and left it at that. One thing that I can assure you is that 99.99% of fans DO NOT CARE who wrote what, and who researched what! All they want is accurate, objective research! Most people in the fan community don’t even know who we are!

Reality!

The world is not following your badly researched tweets. You are not a researcher, you don't make money.

yes, they don't know who you are is because you are too cowardly to use your real names and locations. Don't worry, I'll help them along and they too will see what frauds you fools are. Especially Elena..a he!

Vindicatemj wrote:

Yes, I have shut the blog, but not because Sanemjfan is a "fraud". He studies the transcripts a lot and is thorough in presenting this material to his readers.
My issue with him was his rude language and behavior, however the people at Topix have nothing to boast of in this respect - you have by far outdone him.
I suspect that the way you behave here had its detrimental effect on sanemjfan, as rudeness can sometimes be contagious. So you have made your own contribution to the current division between us and can congratulate yourselves on the result.
However it does not mean that we have abandoned our work for Michael. Both of us are still there for him.

Don't you have some people to stalk?