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I know loads of people with Kylie cd's here in the States. Things is they are always imports since she doesn't do releases here. Imports don't tally into sales here...if they did I'm sure the story on Kylie's sales would be told differently. Madonna's only charted our Billboard chart in the top 40 twice in the past 5 years (post "Music", "Hung Up" and her song w/ Britney). Kylie did three in one year from one album! It's not where you start out it's where you end up!
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sorry, just cause you end up higher in the charts that is no ground to argue that she is more successful or the music is better. Kylie's music has more commercial appeal, she's less controversial and inoffensive and more poppy. she doesn't have opinions and people like stuff that's more commercial and image centred like Britney spears. it's a bigger market as it's mainly a youth and kid orientated market. While Kylie has sales she's hardly got credibility. the music press in the UK especially the bigger more respected rags ignore her and write off as a local version of Cher. What you pay for is a stunning but OTT array of costumes. she has the glamour and the glitz but is short on talent, everyone knows that. Kylie fans like to pretend that she's a musical maestro with the singing talent of Mariah Carey but in reality Kylie is just a pretty face who loves wearing campy glittery clothes every opportunity she gets who has minimal talent.
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Yeah, but so are a lot of female singers out there are sexy. but they are younger! now Kylie is getting old and her looks are not on her side, she needs something else to latch on to which will ensure durability. that's where there is going to be a big problem for Kylie since she's been so reliant on her image over the years to sell her music. I mean, even though image played an important part with Madonna and she used to play up to her sexiness and attractiveness, she also proved there was much more to her than looks and attractiveness. She was an intelligent woman who had beliefs, who was a thinking person and wrote about those beliefs and infused them in to every bit of her art. Kylie on the other hand has very rarely been able to get past the ditsy pop dolly image and persona. so you can't really blame people who say she's just a "talentless hack". |
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Christian, Kylie is just not successful in America. A one-off hit album hardly makes her the most successful female popstar on the planet. In every tour she has excluded the U.S. and my guess is that's because she would never get more then 2000 people to tune up at her shows. Kylie is just not a presence in the U.S. while Madonna's not as successful there as she once was she still manages to sell out every date there. Kylie's tasted a bit of success there, but it will be her last. In the U.K. provided she has the right marketing and a catchy song, she might pull off another CGYOOMH. |
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I wouldn't say so. it's overrated and has been overplayed. plenty of Madonna songs knock spots off CGYOOMH. CGYOOMH largely consists of a repetitive bassline, a generic beat and drum pattern and lyrics. Alot of Madonna's songs are well crafted and artily put together aswell as big hits. To name a few: Vogue (a 1990 hit which Kylie covered in her recent show ), Like A Prayer, Borderline and her latest, Hung Up are all as big if not better than CGYOOMH. |
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I never said any of what you seem to have gotten out of my comments. Everyone in the world knows America is the most fickle music market and Kylie chose to be no part of it, but to do what she wanted. Madonna has of late adopted that same philosophy and followed suit. Could she sell out a show, probably not. But she did get a lot of respect and the public and critics took notice when she did a series of radio sponsored packaged shows with Justin Timberlake, Destiny's Child and others a few years back. I don't blame her for not coming here, the money is shit compared to exchange rates from other countries in the world. Kylie has a lot of people rooting for her here and being that you do not live here I doubt you can speak for U.S Kylie fans, can you? And given the right marketing, packaging and promotion ANYONE can have a hit record. You seem to have more haste about the topic than anyone you seem to be throwing shade on. It's entertainment, not politics. Lighten up! |
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I don't know what world you live in, Madonna has been dragged through the mud her entire career and to her advantage has utilized gimmickery to draw attention to herself. Her antics and videos often overshadowed the music. I never said the music was better, both ladies are pop artists and gear towards popular circulation. Madonna doesn't go costume crazy on her concerts? Please. Madonna is no musical genius at all and oftentimes sings flat or sharp...if live at all. She also for a while wore absolutely NOTHING, which made Kylie's skimpy attire look like layers of winter clothing! Neither professes to be an Aretha Franklin-esque vocalist but they hold their own for what they do. You seem to be slamming Kylie for the things Madonna is known for. Both seem to be working whatever it is that has made them consistent hitmakers to their advantage. Let them!Is Kylie a household name in the U.S...NO. Neither is Robbie, neither is Cliff Richard, neither was Dusty Springfield, etc. But she brings joy to people who enjoy her music and so does Madonna. |
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Yes, but at least Madonna's so called "gimmickery" drew attention or made people aware of certain issues. That's what art is about. it's not only about charts and sales. quite often the controversy has harmed her career, but she doesn't care about that as it is her artistry. and please don't tell me Kylie hasnt used gimmicks and I would properly say gimmicks as there is often nothing behind what Kylie does but at least with Madonna there is some sort of passion or conviction for something. I mean, that whole hotpants malarky wasn't a gimmick?? riiight. What good did that do for her?? what message was she sending out to other women?? the fact that she, no matter if she was wearing zilch or was just scantily clad made her look the typical dumb blonde she is as she had no opinions and couldnt string a sentence together or write her own songs to get where she is. At least when Madonna wore nothing she had some sort of point-of-view working for her which you could take her seriously for. In comparison to Kylie Madonna does not go costume crazy as she realises it's mainly about the music and performance and she's always taken her seriously hence why she is so involved in it and has so much to say about it. Nothing else will be more important for her but the music. the things is Madonna says the things she wants to say and uses her music as a vehicle to express it.
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Well at all i can say as at lest Kylie can sing live!! Madonna is crap live. Kylie has power in her voice which Madonna does not. And i guess all we have to do is wait to see how well Kylies new sound goes,i bet its ganna go of! |
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Well i saw the confessions tour and all I can say to your comment is: Bullshite!! the whole "Kylie can sing live!! Madonna is crap live" is just one big misinformed myth! and is just spoken from often a bunch of jealous and insecure Kylie fans.
madonna was fantastic when I went to see her and her voice was amazing. It was beautifully emotive, strong and she touched me. However, considered what I'd heard about Kylie I seemed to have higher expectations of her but come away from Showgirl ruefully disappointed. it just goes to show, you shouldn't believe everything some people tell ya. don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Kylie was complete and utter rubbish, because she's not. but she's not as good some people out there seem to be promoting her as. so that's why I feel sometimes Kylie's become a bit overrated overtime and it's more or les the camp spectacle before them that they're really paying to see. I suppose it's there to distract them away from the things which are really noticeable which she lacks and it is a good subtle gimmick. |
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I have sceen them both live to and Madonna cant sing! Kylie can she has power. Madonna cant put a powerful note out unlike Kylie can! |
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You are so misinformed that it's almost embarrassing. Kylie has co-writen a great deal of her material (Slow, In Your Eyes, Love At First Sight, I Believe In You, etc) and was one of the first PWL artists SAW allowed to collaborate in the composition of their music. Granted she does not co-produce like Madonna does, but the sweat and talent is in the engineering process. Not discounting it, but production is simply turning this up and that down in the mixing. I know, do it for a living. Madonna has openly admitted that the "SEX" book had no point, so your theory on all of her moves being done for reason is ill advised. And more people that I know did not respect her for her choices during that period...it seemed more out of desperation and was clearly the "sex sells" approach. Yup, she is the better role model! If Kylie's hot pants were a bad image for girls, then you must have championed "Justify My Love" video, the "SEX" book,her sexually charged stage shows, etc. She gets off on pushing peoples buttons and being as of late political. Kylie prefers to keep it light and entertain. She makes her stances known, but seperates the two. She is very heavily involved in charities and social causes, so her contribution is in what she does, not what she says. Madonna goes VERY costume crazy, sorry to tell you. Her approach is different from Kylie's,but coned bras are hardly demure stagewear. Kylie is very articulate and intelligent and is far from a dumb blonde, sorry to tell you. She is eloquently phrased and very poised. Madonna is just the same but takes a more hardened/vocal lean and likes to shock her listeners.That's her passion and conviction. They both use gimmicks in different ways, but saying Kylie is an unfit role model while you defend Madonna of all people is crock. She won't even show her own kids her footage from back in the day!The music is not the primary focus with Madonna, this again she has admitted. She said she did not get into business because she thought she was a great artist/singer/musician. She wanted to push peoples buttons and force them to hear what she wanted to say. In her defense she is a milestone for accomplishments in the rock era, one by which defines those who came after her. You seem to make her seem like a prophet whose words are world changing, and she is far from a John Lennon. |
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Utter nonsense! sounds just like what any typically biased, blind Kylie fanatic would say that would lap up shit rolled up in sugar if Kylie presented it to them on a silver platter. I know what i heard and Madonna just knocks the spots off Kylie in every single way possible live. Kylie has a very little, thin, weak and nasal "range". if you could call it range. She was disappointing, now just accept that and move on. she's nothing special and the facts speak for themselves and you know what I mean. Honestly, i think I've heard the chipmunks knock out a more emotive performance and they have deeper singing voices too. Kylie is just overrated. she has no singing voice and anyone who thinks she can sing needs their ears syringed. |
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Well, you need to go and read the Q interview from 1994 then, or from the Madonna Special that Q did and she most certainly DID have a point. Nill marks for your poorly done research. 1 mark for me. For wider reading, why not read the interview what she had done in 1992 for MTV, it should have it on Madonna Online ch somewhere, it will increase you understanding. Just reading an interview with her will increase your knowledge, unlike your typical vapid Kylie interview where she giggles all the way through it. Madonna I think was far from desperate after the successes of BA and TIC. don't you think?? oh, like Kylie has never been desperate, nothing like sticking your arse out in a cheap 0 size hotpants from the kiddy dept then, is it?? after her blatant stab at trying to gain music credibility and failing prior to it. what did Kylie have to say while sticking out her incredibly cute and pert arse I wonder. "Pink is the new black" and "Manolo Blahniks are where it's at". How ENLIGHTNING! yeah in fact i do champion Justify My Love, the Sex video and her sexually charged videos cos I know there's a point to em. What's more their way more interesting than a bland Kylie video. More artfully done, what's more it tells us more about tolerance to certain things than any vapid self-absorbed Kylie video could any of us. |
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[quote]She gets off on pushing peoples buttons and being as of late political. Kylie prefers to keep it light and entertain. She makes her stances known, but seperates the two. She is very heavily involved in charities and social causes, so her contribution is in what she does, not what she says. Madonna goes VERY costume crazy, sorry to tell you. Her approach is different from Kylie's,but coned bras are hardly demure stagewear.[/quote]
Hardly demure?? you should see that wonderful black fishnet and G-string creation on Kylie's 3rd rated stab at Blonde Ambition. [quote]Kylie is very articulate and intelligent and is far from a dumb blonde, sorry to tell you. She is eloquently phrased and very poised.[/quote] Yet she never says anything interesting. She does have an awful time getting her words out and I suppose giggling all the way through helps to disguise it. see, I can read Kylie like a book. she's not that complex to figure out. [quote]Madonna is just the same but takes a more hardened/vocal lean and likes to shock her listeners.That's her passion and conviction. [/quote] Nothing wrong with that, we need more women like that in the world. Nothing wrong with an assertive woman. I much prefer to that than some little mouse. [quote]They both use gimmicks in different ways, but saying Kylie is an unfit role model while you defend Madonna of all people is crock. [/quote] Well, she has an opinion and is a modern role model, not one who prefers to set the women's movement back more than thirty years. But let tell you, Madonna does not want to be a role model, people who look to popstars as role models are dense. She prefers people or promotes the belief that people should try and be themselves and perhaps take interest in what is going on them around in the world and not shut themselves out from the world, otherwise that encourages ignorance. Just look at Kylie fans for example. You couldn't point to a better example than that. [quote]She won't even show her own kids her footage from back in the day!The music is not the primary focus with Madonna, this again she has admitted. [/quote] Where?? Madonna has a real passion for music, something that she really said. She spends a lot of time on her music, didn't you know she has been playing guitar for a while now?? The primary focus is her music, since the beginning, except she uses her music as a platform to express something. it's not one or the other, it's both in this case. [quote] She said she did not get into business because she thought she was a great artist/singer/musician.[/quote ] That's Madonna! Honest and modest. [quote] She wanted to push peoples buttons and force them to hear what she wanted to say. [/quote] Yep. that also! [quote] In her defense she is a milestone for accomplishments in the rock era, one by which defines those who came after her. You seem to make her seem like a prophet whose words are world changing, and she is far from a John Lennon.[/quote] Did I say that?? it was you who said she was a prophet and that she is world changing. She's a person in my opinion who brings awareness. Madonna is very aware of ignorance in the world and the danger it causes. althroughout her work she expresses tolerance and the need to stamp out discrimination. God, even now she's doing it without realising it. If you're smart enough you will know what mean when I say that. Now I couldn't think of a better role model than that. She's a strong woman but she is human being. I don't feel the need to say she wears a permanent smile on her face 24 hours a day to say she's a role model. I also believe that she is not perfect and that's what i love her for. I identify with that as I want someone who is just like me. |
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If i thought Madonna was better i would be a Madonna fan! wouldent i????? go home you are lame as Delia |
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[quote]She gets off on pushing peoples buttons and being as of late political. Kylie prefers to keep it light and entertain. She makes her
[quote] She wanted to push peoples buttons and force them to hear what she wanted to say. [/quote] Yep. that also! [quote] In her defense she is a milestone for accomplishments in the rock era, one by which defines those who came after her. You seem to make her seem like a prophet whose words are world changing, and she is far from a John Lennon.[/quote] Did I say that?? it was you who said she was a prophet and that she is world changing. She's a person in my opinion who brings awareness. Madonna is very aware of ignorance in the world and the danger it causes. althroughout her work she expresses tolerance and the need to stamp out discrimination. God, even now she's doing it without realising it. If you're smart enough you will know what mean when I say that. Nice novel. Speaking of role models you seem to have made her yours. Her every move is carefully calculated by you as if you live vicariously through her. I have not dogged Madonna, as I am one of those people who dropped a chunk of change to see her and have gone to all of her shows from Blonde Ambition onward. As much as she is a very sad live singer (uh, "Imagine"? Come on, dude! She needs to turn off the DAT tape and turn on the mic...but she knows better!) I enjoy the visuals and her attitude just like you, but you are blinded by your fascination and obsession of her. You really seem to think that you can make me think that Madonna in all of her utter attempts at presenting herself as this serious artist because she picked up a guitar, learned to strum a chord or two while a REAL guitarist played the real progression, lip-synchs as she covorts around stage in a unitard (and has the nerve to release a "live" record which is essentially a recording of a recording nonetheless), contradicts herself and her "message" (i.e allowing NBC to air her concert last night WITHOUT the "Live To Tell" scene just to get some attention drawn to a disc that shipped over a million copies per RIAA but sold a lot less according to Soundscan and had three flop singles in a row. Yes packs houses and sells more concert tickets than records), is the ultimate publicity whore and IS DEFINTELY NOT a role model. While there is nothing wrong with being assertive by any means, Madonna simply tries very hard (too hard in many cases) to stay in the public consciousness because she knows she needs that edge to stay relevant. It is very possible that what you read about her and what I read are true (like the SEX thing for example). She contradicts herself all the time! It's human to do that, but when you are on her scale you really need to be cautious. |
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You say Madonna's not perfect yet I have not seen you identify one flaw or deficiency about her, only build her up in hopes making people feel less about the person they hold to dear regard. How does that make you a better person? Madonna herself has said that Kylie is "immensely talented" but you do not identify that at all. Did she say it only because of Kylie's breast cancer diagnosis? If so it would certainly question the sincerity and honestly you so eloquently stated as some of her stronger attributes. You claim to have gone to Kylie's shows and apparently seem to "know" a lot about her and what she may or may not do and watch all of her interviews to gain the opinion she is so dumb...why waste your money and your time? This is a Kylie blog and while you are free to say what you want (I'll never say go to another place or a Madonna site, I love a good debate!)it makes you seem like someone with nothing to do except be spiteful and vindictive, plus overly defensive in retaliation of people you claim to be all of the same things. For a fan of person who claims to be tolerant of others and accepting of a difference between people as her recent show promoted, why are you not celebrating the efforts of a person you admire? You bask in throwing her messages and meanings at me and others but the one that matters most you overlook. I've only continued to check this forum for your reply in hopes that you would find one thing I've been saying as valid, or at least agree to disagree. I commend you on being well spoken, or at least until you attacked that person who was not as well phrased as you, again because Madonna's integrity was at stake. You seem way to intelligent just by our going back and forth to not have the ability to see past other peoples differences. Let that be that (it's the most important)be the thing you walk away with from everything she ever stood for.
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kylie sounds great!!! thats why everytime she made a concert there will be more than 10 000 peoples... how can u say kylie cant sing live??? most of the peoples here supporting Kylie except u delia!! i think u arguing with facts... u shuold shame of ur self!!Dont u get it!! No matter what u say or how long it is, kylie fans or facts will tell u the truth. Kylie is the queen of pop!!! madonna is over!!! (sorry about my english) |
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The Difference:
Madonna is an Icon Kylie is the Queen of Pop and her sister is the Princess of Pop |
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