Could Obama's support for the legality of gay marriage cost him the election?

dances with weebles wrote:

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there's no argument between creationism and evolutionism... evolution is nothing more than ongoing creation.
besides that, homosexuals are created when daddy boinks mommy and knocks her up. didn't you ever go to school?

LMAO

You sure you dance with weebles and not feebles?

River Veteran wrote:

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bullshit clipped...

River Veteran wrote:

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Now to your "100% acceptance by 100% of society".... You want to FORCE acceptance and that is part of the problem. A man having sex with another man is unnatural. Like I said, if it was, more than 1% of the population would be gay and they could have babies. It's NOT natural.

asking for people to accept everyone as an equal isn't 'forcing'
your 1% is bogus. it's 1 out of every 10 men that you know and ever will know.

the ability to have babies has absolutely nothing to do with anything at all. if anything appears in nature, then it's natural. the truth is that over 1500 species of animal, including humans, has the same percentages of same sex orientation... 190% of males, and 8% of females.

River Veteran wrote:

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Don't get me wrong, I don't care if you're gay or what ever. This is America and you should be able to do what you want as long as you don't interfere with me and my family. If you want to do drugs....fine....have gay sex....fine...etc.....

nobody is asking to 'interfere with you or your family.

River Veteran wrote:

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What has hurt gays the most in my opinion is the people that TRY to cause disruption. To give you an example, I took my family to Key West 3 years ago for a deep sea fishing trip with a client of mine. We are at resaurant eating and there were people walking on the streets with assless chaps, etc.... getting ready for a parade. My 4 and 7 year old shouldn't have to see that when out at a public eatery. The guys left the girls at the house to watch the kids while we went out.... Not one, not two, not three....but 7 times we walked up on guys having sex after some parade. In cars, behind restaurants, etc.... 7 couples in one night! I have plenty of gay friends and they said, why would I even go to key west that time of year and that they won't even go then. I should be able to go ANYTIME and not have to see that. What is my kids were with us?????

let me tell you something about gay pride parades... they're good fun, and that's all they're for. it hurts nobody to see someone's ass. the fact is that the pride parade here in our city hosted over 5 million people last year. people came from all over the country to watch and to participate in the parade. they also came from europe, the u.s. and canada and china to see the pride parade here. schools were closed all over the area and the teachers and students, along with their parents, were taken by buses to the parade.

churches from all over the country bussed their entire congregations to the parade, and even catholic priests, nuns, and parishioners, young and old, marched along with the gays and lesbians. large tour busses were chartered by the catholic churches in our suburb to ferry people to and from the parade venue 24 hours a day and there was 24 hour a day coverage on all local and cable channels in the country.

not only that, but almost all the hotels and restaurants within several blocks of the parade asked all their employees who dealt face to face with the public to work nude or topless during the week of the festivities.(for o

my wife and daughter were on hand to watch the parade along with my mother and father in-law. they had a wonderful time. my wife's uncle, a seicho-no-ie minister marched in the parade with his congregation.

since i had to stay at home with our son who was running a fever, i volunteered to hold worship services at two of the local churches for those who, for various reasons such as health issues, couldn't go to the parade.

River Veteran wrote:

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That is the biggest problem I see. Marriage is between man and woman....BUT...gays that have a civil union should have EVERY advantage or what ever married couples have. Just my view.

Aquarius-WY wrote:

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LMAO
You sure you dance with weebles and not feebles?

yes... now i have a question for you. do you have anything to actually add to the discussion?

dances with weebles wrote:

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yes... now i have a question for you. do you have anything to actually add to the discussion?

Yes.
Support RON PAUL and the United States Constitution.

dances with weebles wrote:

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asking for people to accept everyone as an equal isn't 'forcing'
your 1% is bogus. it's 1 out of every 10 men that you know and ever will know.
the ability to have babies has absolutely nothing to do with anything at all. if anything appears in nature, then it's natural. the truth is that over 1500 species of animal, including humans, has the same percentages of same sex orientation... 190% of males, and 8% of females.
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nobody is asking to 'interfere with you or your family.
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let me tell you something about gay pride parades... they're good fun, and that's all they're for. it hurts nobody to see someone's ass. the fact is that the pride parade here in our city hosted over 5 million people last year. people came from all over the country to watch and to participate in the parade. they also came from europe, the u.s. and canada and china to see the pride parade here. schools were closed all over the area and the teachers and students, along with their parents, were taken by buses to the parade.
churches from all over the country bussed their entire congregations to the parade, and even catholic priests, nuns, and parishioners, young and old, marched along with the gays and lesbians. large tour busses were chartered by the catholic churches in our suburb to ferry people to and from the parade venue 24 hours a day and there was 24 hour a day coverage on all local and cable channels in the country.
not only that, but almost all the hotels and restaurants within several blocks of the parade asked all their employees who dealt face to face with the public to work nude or topless during the week of the festivities.(for o
my wife and daughter were on hand to watch the parade along with my mother and father in-law. they had a wonderful time. my wife's uncle, a seicho-no-ie minister marched in the parade with his congregation.
since i had to stay at home with our son who was running a fever, i volunteered to hold worship services at two of the local churches for those who, for various reasons such as health issues, couldn't go to the parade.
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LMAO…..you are so delusional that it’s actually funny! What’s funnier is that you comment on the assless chaps but are SILENT about the 7 sex acts that we walked up on. Typical and is expected.

AND….YES, IT DOES hurt my 7year old to see assless chaps and the other lewd and over the top BS that we witnessed. You may not think so but that doesn’t mean sh!t to me because I’m the father and you’re not. What I think, is or isn’t appropriate, matters in the raising of my children. Your post proves your lack of morals!

My 1% is based on actual studies and I even posted links to back it up! You don’t like the TRUTH and you come back with numbers based on OPINION and that is all.

The ability to have babies has EVERYTHING to do with it. Again, it doesn’t fit your agenda you try twist it but you lose every time. The ability to have babies is natural…..being a pickle smoocher is not! You want acceptance….I get that. Christians don’t HATE Homo’s…..and, God doesn’t hate them. There is a time and place for everything.

At what two churches did you hold worship services?

What’s even better is that you try to throw in “my wife’s uncle, a seicho-no-ie minister”…Bwaaa ha ha ha Seicho-no-ie is basically a type of cult formed in the 1930’s by a Japanese guy. Basically, your saying your father in law is a cool-aid drinker….and that the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree!

River Veteran wrote:

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LMAO…..you are so delusional that it’s actually funny! What’s funnier is that you comment on the assless chaps but are SILENT about the 7 sex acts that we walked up on. Typical and is expected.
AND….YES, IT DOES hurt my 7year old to see assless chaps and the other lewd and over the top BS that we witnessed. You may not think so but that doesn’t mean sh!t to me because I’m the father and you’re not. What I think, is or isn’t appropriate, matters in the raising of my children. Your post proves your lack of morals!
My 1% is based on actual studies and I even posted links to back it up! You don’t like the TRUTH and you come back with numbers based on OPINION and that is all.
The ability to have babies has EVERYTHING to do with it. Again, it doesn’t fit your agenda you try twist it but you lose every time. The ability to have babies is natural…..being a pickle smoocher is not! You want acceptance….I get that. Christians don’t HATE Homo’s…..and, God doesn’t hate them. There is a time and place for everything.
At what two churches did you hold worship services?
What’s even better is that you try to throw in “my wife’s uncle, a seicho-no-ie minister”…Bwaaa ha ha ha Seicho-no-ie is basically a type of cult formed in the 1930’s by a Japanese guy. Basically, your saying your father in law is a cool-aid drinker….and that the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree!

first of all, i don't have any agenda.

your 1% is based on bullshit opinions and nothing more.

and as far as 'morals' goes... each and every person in the world has 'morals'. what noone has, is the exact same moral compass as anyone else.'morals' are as indevidual as are finterprints... they can't be taught, or baught or learned from anyone else, be it parents, or the church and certainly not the bible. maybe it's time that you actually try to get yourself a little bit of education rather than sitting around expressing your ignorant opinions as to what is a 'cult'.

you act as though your kids have never seen you or your wife, or each otehr walking to and from the bathroom starkers. you act as though they have never witnessed the two of you having some sort of sex.

tell us all, what terrible sex acts did you witness and if they did happen, why on earth do you think that they would bother your children in any way, shape or form? personally, i think that you're feeding us a line of bullshit, anyway. it never happened and you're only attempting to make things up to make someone you don't agree with took bad only because you don't believe that homosexuality exists in the world. and yes, it's quite natural.

another fact that you seem unaware of is that having babies has nothing at all to do with marriage, or with love. all pregnancy is is a messy byproduct of having sex. not only that, but even the idea of the human species breeding at this point in history is incredibly stupid. with over 7 billion people on the planet putting it at well over 500% of the number of humans that the planet can sustain wouldn't you think that it's time to back off of procreation anyway? the human infestation is killing the planet, and is forcing not only the human species into extinction, but every other species as well. there should be at least a 1 generation (30 to 35 years) moratorium on human breeding to allow them to die down to a manageable rate.

get a clue.

Wat the Tyler wrote:

<quoted text>Obama said he will repeal DOMA. That would mean all 50 states would have to recognize same sex marriages performed in other states because of the federal government recognizing same sex marriage.

You are incorrect. I suggest you read the article 5 myths about Same Sex Marriage. It's also posted here on Topix for discussion.

One of the myths it debunks is that States MUST recognise marriages from others because of the Full Faith and Credit Clause in Article 4 Sec. 1 & 2.

Personally I think it SHOULD apply but it hasn't been.

RiccardoFire wrote:

<quoted text>I love the sinner, not the sin.

But just like most "Christians" you pick and choose what sins you consider to still be sins and which ones you no longer consider sins.

I came across this column today. Hopefully you'll read it and think about just how well you really follow what Jesus tried to teach.

My Take: The Christian case for gay marriage. By Mark Osler
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/19/my-t...

"I am a Christian, and I am in favor of gay marriage. The reason I am for gay marriage is because of my faith.

What I see in the Bible’s accounts of Jesus and his followers is an insistence that we don’t have the moral authority to deny others the blessing of holy institutions like baptism, communion, and marriage. God, through the Holy Spirit, infuses those moments with life, and it is not ours to either give or deny to others.

A clear instruction on this comes from Simon Peter, the “rock” on whom the church is built. Peter is a captivating figure in the Christian story. Jesus plucks him out of a fishing boat to become a disciple, and time and again he represents us all in learning at the feet of Christ.

During their time together, Peter is often naïve and clueless – he is a follower, constantly learning.

After Jesus is crucified, though, a different Peter emerges, one who is forceful and bold. This is the Peter we see in the Acts of the Apostles, during a fevered debate over whether or not Gentiles should be baptized. Peter was harshly criticized for even eating a meal with those who were uncircumcised; that is, those who did not follow the commands of the Old Testament.

Peter, though, is strong in confronting those who would deny the sacrament of baptism to the Gentiles, and argues for an acceptance of believers who do not follow the circumcision rules of Leviticus (which is also where we find a condemnation of homosexuality).

His challenge is stark and stunning: Before ordering that the Gentiles be baptized Peter asks “Can anyone withhold the water for baptizing these people who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?”

None of us, Peter says, has the moral authority to deny baptism to those who seek it, even if they do not follow the ancient laws. It is the flooding love of the Holy Spirit, which fell over that entire crowd, sinners and saints alike, that directs otherwise."

Editor's Note: Mark Osler is a Professor of Law at the University of St. Thomas in Minneapolis, Minnesota. I've posted this column in the Religion Forum on TOPIX and hope many will join the discussion there.

Pappa wrote:

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If your claim of popular support for marriage equality was based in reality then it would not get voted down in every state that votes on it. Hell, it took an activist judge to overturn the will of the people in lala land.

And YOU need to check your facts. It was never voted down. What was passed were laws that banned it, not laws that would maker it legal.

And in fact one of those bans failed the first time. In all cases where SSM is now legal it was VOTED on and passed.

People like you are amusing. You whine about judges ruling on laws, and call them activists who overturn the will of the people.

Yet you are perfectly happy if a Governor like Schwarty or Christy over rule the will of the people when they veto legislation passed by the ones the people elected to voice their will.

Get That Fool wrote:

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Don't act like you wouldn't vote 'for' him on this single issue....

Pot meet kettle: Kettle, pot.

River Veteran wrote:

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Nice try on the 10% but you are WRONG!
The Williams Institute at the UCLA School of Law, a sexual orientation law and public policy think tank study found that 9 million (about 3.8%) of Americans identify as gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender (2011). The institute also found that bisexuals make up 1.8% of the population, while 1.7% are gay or lesbian. Transgender adults make up 0.3% of the population.
Now to your "100% acceptance by 100% of society".... You want to FORCE acceptance and that is part of the problem. A man having sex with another man is unnatural. Like I said, if it was, more than 1% of the population would be gay and they could have babies. It's NOT natural.
Don't get me wrong, I don't care if you're gay or what ever. This is America and you should be able to do what you want as long as you don't interfere with me and my family. If you want to do drugs....fine....have gay sex....fine...etc.....
What has hurt gays the most in my opinion is the people that TRY to cause disruption. To give you an example, I took my family to Key West 3 years ago for a deep sea fishing trip with a client of mine. We are at resaurant eating and there were people walking on the streets with assless chaps, etc.... getting ready for a parade. My 4 and 7 year old shouldn't have to see that when out at a public eatery. The guys left the girls at the house to watch the kids while we went out.... Not one, not two, not three....but 7 times we walked up on guys having sex after some parade. In cars, behind restaurants, etc.... 7 couples in one night! I have plenty of gay friends and they said, why would I even go to key west that time of year and that they won't even go then. I should be able to go ANYTIME and not have to see that. What is my kids were with us?????
That is the biggest problem I see. Marriage is between man and woman....BUT...gays that have a civil union should have EVERY advantage or what ever married couples have. Just my view.

Make up your mind. First you said it was only 1%. Now you are saying 3.8%.

Why did you fudge on the facts the first time? Because you figured it would add credibility?

I see. Lying and misrepresentation aren't sins in your book and are perfectly fine.

Get That Fool wrote:

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Ongoing creation???? That doesn't make any sense....

where do you think new babies and their souls come from YOU TWIT!

Aquarius-WY wrote:

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I second the motion.

Then you are just as clueless and close minded as Get That Fool.

Why should the Universe God created be considered finite? Isn't it possible that evolution, natural selection and intelligent design are all parts of a larger picture?

Oh wait I keep forgetting GTF thinks they are God and therefore omnipotent and infallible.

Aquarius-WY wrote:

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Yes.
Support RON PAUL and the United States Constitution.

If you support the U.S. Constitution then you support my right to marry a person of the same sex. See Amendment 9.

dances with weebles wrote:

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first of all, i don't have any agenda.
your 1% is based on bullshit opinions and nothing more.
and as far as 'morals' goes... each and every person in the world has 'morals'. what noone has, is the exact same moral compass as anyone else.'morals' are as indevidual as are finterprints... they can't be taught, or baught or learned from anyone else, be it parents, or the church and certainly not the bible. maybe it's time that you actually try to get yourself a little bit of education rather than sitting around expressing your ignorant opinions as to what is a 'cult'.
you act as though your kids have never seen you or your wife, or each otehr walking to and from the bathroom starkers. you act as though they have never witnessed the two of you having some sort of sex.
tell us all, what terrible sex acts did you witness and if they did happen, why on earth do you think that they would bother your children in any way, shape or form? personally, i think that you're feeding us a line of bullshit, anyway. it never happened and you're only attempting to make things up to make someone you don't agree with took bad only because you don't believe that homosexuality exists in the world. and yes, it's quite natural.
another fact that you seem unaware of is that having babies has nothing at all to do with marriage, or with love. all pregnancy is is a messy byproduct of having sex. not only that, but even the idea of the human species breeding at this point in history is incredibly stupid. with over 7 billion people on the planet putting it at well over 500% of the number of humans that the planet can sustain wouldn't you think that it's time to back off of procreation anyway? the human infestation is killing the planet, and is forcing not only the human species into extinction, but every other species as well. there should be at least a 1 generation (30 to 35 years) moratorium on human breeding to allow them to die down to a manageable rate.
get a clue.

I earlier posts River Vet says 1% then in post 58 says 3.8% and now they are back to there 1%.

As a father I hope he improves his math skills and memory.

Seeing men in assless chaps is the least of his childrens worries.

DNF wrote:

<quoted text>Then you are just as clueless and close minded as Get That Fool.
Why should the Universe God created be considered finite? Isn't it possible that evolution, natural selection and intelligent design are all parts of a larger picture?
Oh wait I keep forgetting GTF thinks they are God and therefore omnipotent and infallible.

I noticed you used the PAST tense form of "create".
That is and was the point.
Evolution is NOT "ongoing creation". It is simply adaptation to one's (all life forms) environment.
Climb up someone else's caboose. You're off base and incorrect here.

DNF wrote:

<quoted text>If you support the U.S. Constitution then you support my right to marry a person of the same sex. See Amendment 9.

Perhaps you could benefit at actually reading this thread.
When you do, you will find that I support gay rights.
Climb up someone else's caboose. You're off target again.

Aquarius-WY wrote:

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I noticed you used the PAST tense form of "create".
That is and was the point.
Evolution is NOT "ongoing creation". It is simply adaptation to one's (all life forms) environment.
Climb up someone else's caboose. You're off base and incorrect here.

Hey if you think Creation ended 7 days after it was created, who am I to argue?
Picasso, Cezanne, Monet, Yo Yo Ma, Neil Young, John Lennon, Bruce Springsteen, Clarence Clemmons, David Bowie,Johnny Cash, Elvis, Manet, Michelangelo, Goya, Rembrandt and Leonardo Da Vinci may disagree.

Aquarius-WY wrote:

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Perhaps you could benefit at actually reading this thread.
When you do, you will find that I support gay rights.
Climb up someone else's caboose. You're off target again.

Mea Culpa.

DNF wrote:

<quoted text>Hey if you think Creation ended 7 days after it was created, who am I to argue?
Picasso, Cezanne, Monet, Yo Yo Ma, Neil Young, John Lennon, Bruce Springsteen, Clarence Clemmons, David Bowie,Johnny Cash, Elvis, Manet, Michelangelo, Goya, Rembrandt and Leonardo Da Vinci may disagree.

Interesting.
You make up your own arguments based on something I never said nor implied.