Undocumented immigrants: workers or criminals? By Marissa Beach

Sep 29, 2008 Full story: dailyuw.com 57

You don't have to be at the border to experience The Devil's Highway; deportations can be just as frightening inside our borders.

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Since: Oct 07

United States

#1 Sep 29, 2008
This was interesting:
Comments#1 David R.
commented, on
September 29, 2008 at 11:29 a.m.:

While I think all of us should get involved in the discussion concerning America's immigration policies, this article should have been placed in the opinion section of The Daily and not the feature section.

The article was clearly written as a biased advocate for undocumented immigrants to be treated as US citizens.

Most if not all of the data used in the article were presented from one side of the issue to include some extreme and misleading quotations.

One of these absurdities was the quote from the ACLU which characterized immigration enforcement as "tactics comparable to the 1990s ethnic cleansing in the Balkans."

To even mention this quote in the article as factual is outrageous.

In no way is the federal government gathering all Latinos and removing them from our country and neither are Latinos being murdered as a way to "cleanse" our society. This brings me to the second misleading part of this article which involves the quoting of a research group (The Pew Hispanic Center).

If you check out this research group's website and read the full article you realize that in no way did the group specify whether the Latinos surveyed were undocumented or legal immigrants.

Interestingly if you look at how the 2000 plus Latinos were surveyed you see that 711 of the Latinos were native born US citizens, the rest were either undocumented or legal immigrants, 892 were registered voters meaning that they were US citizens, which if we do the math probably makes up a huge portion of that 50% who don't feel threatened by the federal government that they or their friends will be deported. So to suggest by both this article and the research group that 50% of Latinos across the country are afraid of being deported is ridiculous.

What should have been mentioned was that some Latino immigrants (still not determined whether they are undocumented or not)are afraid of deportation.

Please in the future provide both sides of an important discussion such as this and present the facts, thus allowing the readers to make their own decisions otherwise if you want to add your bias, put the article in the opinion section.
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Bravo David! Well stated! I agree.

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#2 Sep 29, 2008
The moment these "Latinos" enter America without proper documentaton they become CRIMINALS!

Victimizing the "Latino" criminal element is the master stroke of those who don't have to LIVE AMONGST the "Latino" criminal element!!!!
Dirty Sanchez

Santa Monica, CA

#4 Sep 30, 2008
I don't think anyone disputes why illegals come here....to earn more and do better for themsleves. At the same time they have broken our laws by not entering legally.

Just like drugs, we need to stop them at the employer level. If they can't get a job they won't come. If they don't get free medical care and welfare and all the other programs AMERICANS pay for, they won't come.
Torchwood

Grand Terrace, CA

#5 Sep 30, 2008
Betsy Ross wrote:
This was interesting:
Comments#1 David R.
commented, on
September 29, 2008 at 11:29 a.m.:
While I think all of us should get involved in the discussion concerning America's immigration policies, this article should have been placed in the opinion section of The Daily and not the feature section.
The article was clearly written as a biased advocate for undocumented immigrants to be treated as US citizens.
Most if not all of the data used in the article were presented from one side of the issue to include some extreme and misleading quotations.
One of these absurdities was the quote from the ACLU which characterized immigration enforcement as "tactics comparable to the 1990s ethnic cleansing in the Balkans."
To even mention this quote in the article as factual is outrageous.
In no way is the federal government gathering all Latinos and removing them from our country and neither are Latinos being murdered as a way to "cleanse" our society. This brings me to the second misleading part of this article which involves the quoting of a research group (The Pew Hispanic Center).
If you check out this research group's website and read the full article you realize that in no way did the group specify whether the Latinos surveyed were undocumented or legal immigrants.
Interestingly if you look at how the 2000 plus Latinos were surveyed you see that 711 of the Latinos were native born US citizens, the rest were either undocumented or legal immigrants, 892 were registered voters meaning that they were US citizens, which if we do the math probably makes up a huge portion of that 50% who don't feel threatened by the federal government that they or their friends will be deported. So to suggest by both this article and the research group that 50% of Latinos across the country are afraid of being deported is ridiculous.
What should have been mentioned was that some Latino immigrants (still not determined whether they are undocumented or not)are afraid of deportation.
Please in the future provide both sides of an important discussion such as this and present the facts, thus allowing the readers to make their own decisions otherwise if you want to add your bias, put the article in the opinion section.
~~~~~~~~~~
Bravo David! Well stated! I agree.
Great post again Betsy!
Torchwood

Grand Terrace, CA

#6 Sep 30, 2008
Ms Taletha wrote:
The moment these "Latinos" enter America without proper documentaton they become CRIMINALS!
Victimizing the "Latino" criminal element is the master stroke of those who don't have to LIVE AMONGST the "Latino" criminal element!!!!
Agreed!

“Illegals are not immigrants...”

Since: Apr 07

Mid-south, USA

#7 Sep 30, 2008
Dirty Sanchez wrote:
I don't think anyone disputes why illegals come here....to earn more and do better for themsleves. At the same time they have broken our laws by not entering legally.
Just like drugs, we need to stop them at the employer level. If they can't get a job they won't come. If they don't get free medical care and welfare and all the other programs AMERICANS pay for, they won't come.
That argument has been proven fallacious...they are not coming to work, rather they are coming to work our entitlement system. They are becoming another group of users, who are teaching their offspring how to make a living off our welfare system.

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#8 Sep 30, 2008
Torchwood wrote:
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Agreed!
Thank U!!!!

“Send 'em back, kids & all !!”

Since: Feb 08

Huntington Beach, CA

#9 Sep 30, 2008
From: Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law

Main Entry: CRIM·I·NAL

Pronunciation:'kri-m&-n &l
Function: adjective
1 : relating to, involving, or being a crime <criminal neglect> <criminal conduct>
2 : relating to crime or its prosecution criminal action> <criminal code>
3 : one who willingly and knowingly engages in illegal activity

Any Questions?
PSL

Boca Raton, FL

#10 Sep 30, 2008
Criminals of course. Duh!

Since: May 08

Lawrenceville, GA

#11 Sep 30, 2008
drewski969 wrote:
From: Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law
Main Entry: CRIM·I·NAL
Pronunciation:'kri-m&-n &l
Function: adjective
1 : relating to, involving, or being a crime <criminal neglect> <criminal conduct>
2 : relating to crime or its prosecution criminal action> <criminal code>
3 : one who willingly and knowingly engages in illegal activity
Any Questions?
good post. Now would you please go back and post it on those other few threads :):)

Since: Nov 07

Chicago

#12 Sep 30, 2008
Criminals!

Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according to statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa. If those numbers are correct, it translates to 4,380 Americans murdered annually by illegal aliens. That''s 21,900 since Sept. 11, 2001.

But the carnage wrought by illegal alien murderers represents only a fraction of the pool of blood spilled by American citizens as a result of an open border and un-enforced immigration laws.

While King reports 12 Americans are murdered daily by illegal aliens, he says 13 are killed by drunk illegal alien drivers – for another annual death toll of 4,745. That''s 23,725 since Sept. 11, 2001.

King also reports eight American children are victims of sexual abuse by illegal aliens every day – a total of 2,920 annually.

As the number of illegal aliens in the U.S. increases, so does the number of American victims.
pal28

Northbrook, IL

#13 Sep 30, 2008
Yeah, they are breaking law.That's why they are called illegal.I have a lot of illegal friends-polish community.Guess how many times cops during traffic control asked them about their status?NONE,ZERO,NADA-cops are affraid that if would cause to them extra paper work.

Since: Jun 08

Woodbridge, VA

#14 Sep 30, 2008
pal28 wrote:
Yeah, they are breaking law.That's why they are called illegal.I have a lot of illegal friends-polish community.Guess how many times cops during traffic control asked them about their status?NONE,ZERO,NADA-cops are affraid that if would cause to them extra paper work.
Well, this should be changing.

Various communities are checking residency of all people's arrested - regardless of color. With the push for stopping illegals, all illegals, the attitude some cops have of too much paperwork will not be tolerated.
Jack

United States

#15 Sep 30, 2008
pal28 wrote:
Yeah, they are breaking law.That's why they are called illegal.I have a lot of illegal friends-polish community.Guess how many times cops during traffic control asked them about their status?NONE,ZERO,NADA-cops are affraid that if would cause to them extra paper work.
But it could also be the city or state you live in, its not uncommon for mayors to gov's to tell cops NOT to ask immigration status.
Cheyenne Z

Los Angeles, CA

#16 Sep 30, 2008
Criminals.
It is not "honest" to enter the USA illegally, in violation of our laws, or to overstay a visa in violation of our laws.
Deport all illegal alien criminals NOW.
One Bad Cat

United States

#17 Sep 30, 2008
The ICE Man Cometh.

“Green card?”

Since: Jan 08

Tepic, Nayarit, Mexico

#18 Sep 30, 2008
pal28 wrote:
Yeah, they are breaking law.That's why they are called illegal.I have a lot of illegal friends-polish community.Guess how many times cops during traffic control asked them about their status?NONE,ZERO,NADA-cops are affraid that if would cause to them extra paper work.
Traffic control asks for drivers license and proof of insurance. If those requirements are met they continue on their way, if not, the questions start.
I think your wrong, can you prove it?
Can-Ah-Da

San Diego, CA

#19 Sep 30, 2008
Have you ever played MEXICAN BLACK OUT? All you need is a can of black spray paint. You black out the rear automobile car license of illegal aliens with black spray paint. This makes sure the car and the driver are pulled over by the Police. Guess what? Here is the cool part, the car is impounded and the illegals are deported! Have fun!!
pal28

Northbrook, IL

#20 Sep 30, 2008
Rogerg wrote:
<quoted text>
Traffic control asks for drivers license and proof of insurance. If those requirements are met they continue on their way, if not, the questions start.
I think your wrong, can you prove it?
Do I have a proof?Couple thousands walking around Central and Belmont. You see,a big chunk of illegals have their driving license-they comming over here on student visa or work visa and they disapier after receiving social security number. Why the cops dont check those people out?They are illegal-they are breaking the law and still they are let go. Oh and the ones without driving license are sent to traffic court for not having one. Ofcourse, cops dont show up too often in a court so they are let go with DISMISALL!Like I mentioned before I am around those people a lot and they are laughing out loud at us and I cant do shit about it.
pal28

Northbrook, IL

#21 Sep 30, 2008
Oh I am sorry...Central and Belmont is a polish neighborhood in Chicago.

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