Sara Suten Seti vs. True Islam (Wesley Muhammad) - What Will Come Out of Their Debate?

Hey Inisa!Good thread.Seti along with other scholars have truly exposed Islam for what it's really worth.Islam was never for us Africans even though we(the Ethiosabeans) were the founders of Islam.Now that some of these Afrocentric scholars have gottent the chance to learn more about our rich and accurate truthful history about us and Islam, hopefully it will open eyes for other blacks that were misguided by this religion that was heavily corrupted by Arabs for their own agendas.These Afrocentrics and Kemetcentrics are telling the cold harsh truth about islam and the black Muslim community doesn't want to hear it.

Mack the Great wrote:

Islam was never for us Africans even though we(the Ethiosabeans) were the founders of Islam.

Last time I checked, you did not have the authority to speak for all of us....

EriWK wrote:

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Last time I checked, you did not have the authority to speak for all of us....

My fault Eriwk and all, but I was just speaking how I feel about Islam.I never personally attacked on black Muslims and never tried to force my opinions down their throats, so I respect them on that.

EriWK wrote:

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Last time I checked, you did not have the authority to speak for all of us....

Also Eriwk, I know that I don't have that right and all, since I'm obviously not African myself, but I made that statement out of concern and the future welfare of my continental ancestors. I guess it would've been correct if I said all blacks worldwide rather than Africans I suppose right?LOL.

The truth Of Islam is slowly coming out.

It is not a pretty history as far as sub Shara Africa is concerned

Why in the world would you post that on this forum? Most of the people here aren't even thinking about that.

Seti is the truth

Mack the Great wrote:

Hey Inisa!Good thread.Seti along with other scholars have truly exposed Islam for what it's really worth.Islam was never for us Africans even though we(the Ethiosabeans) were the founders of Islam.Now that some of these Afrocentric scholars have gottent the chance to learn more about our rich and accurate truthful history about us and Islam, hopefully it will open eyes for other blacks that were misguided by this religion that was heavily corrupted by Arabs for their own agendas.These Afrocentrics and Kemetcentrics are telling the cold harsh truth about islam and the black Muslim community doesn't want to hear it.

how can you call yourself ethiosabeans and then hate on arabs, anyone who knows the history of that area knows sabeans are arabs.*confused much*

okay wrote:

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how can you call yourself ethiosabeans and then hate on arabs, anyone who knows the history of that area knows sabeans are arabs.*confused much*

I'm calling myself personally an Ethiosabean if that's what you meant since I'm not a Horner African, and the earliest Arabs were Ethiopians who settled and started Islam in Yemen, so basically I fail to see your point..........

I read the full article in the link and I have to add that although Islam is booming across the world, it's not like it used to be when it was starting out.Back in the day, it was a sincerely good religion at first until it got heavily corrupted by Arabs for their own selfish agendas.I know that the NOI is not influenced by the politics of the Middle East and at the very least, I commend them for practicing Islam the way it should've been properly practiced before it was later corrupted by the Arabs.I'm no expert on Islam as some of you may think as I only know the basics about it, and a Muslim is more qualified to better educate me on the actual history of Islam, but I'm not personally attacking any black muslim regardless if they are AA or African as I never did.

Mack the Great wrote:

<quoted text>I'm calling myself personally an Ethiosabean if that's what you meant since I'm not a Horner African, and the earliest Arabs were Ethiopians who settled and started Islam in Yemen, so basically I fail to see your point..........

Ethiopians were never arabs, nor were arabs ever ethiopians. Arabs were always there, they were nomadic people.

Mack the Great wrote:

I read the full article in the link and I have to add that although Islam is booming across the world, it's not like it used to be when it was starting out.Back in the day, it was a sincerely good religion at first until it got heavily corrupted by Arabs for their own selfish agendas.I know that the NOI is not influenced by the politics of the Middle East and at the very least, I commend them for practicing Islam the way it should've been properly practiced before it was later corrupted by the Arabs.I'm no expert on Islam as some of you may think as I only know the basics about it, and a Muslim is more qualified to better educate me on the actual history of Islam, but I'm not personally attacking any black muslim regardless if they are AA or African as I never did.

islam has always existed, starting from the time of adam. islam basically means to submit to the will of god and since all the prophets did this by fulfilling the command of god they are considered muslim. prophet Mohammed PBUH is of mixed ancestry, his paternal line traces back to abraham through ishmael, ismael's mother was of course eygptian, their were yemenite nomads who settled in mecca who also probably contributed to the ancestry of prophet Mohammed PBUH.

i hope this helps you to understand islam and the prophet mohammed PBUH.

ZamZam wrote:

<quoted text>Ethiopians were never arabs, nor were arabs ever ethiopians. Arabs were always there, they were nomadic people.

I never said that they were.The Sabeans who were an ethnic group in Ethiopia that later influenced Arabic culture in Yemen who were dark skinned folks.The light skinned arabs were rough nomads that came from the Eurasian plains and later arrived in the Arabian penninsula in the second millenia.

okay wrote:

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islam has always existed, starting from the time of adam. islam basically means to submit to the will of god and since all the prophets did this by fulfilling the command of god they are considered muslim. prophet Mohammed PBUH is of mixed ancestry, his paternal line traces back to settled in mecca who also probably contributed to the ancestry of prophet Mohammed PBUH.abraham through ishmael, ismael's mother was of course eygptian, their were yemenite nomads who
i hope this helps you to understand islam and the prophet mohammed PBUH.

Interesting.Thanks for this info and it's much appreciated!;):)

okay wrote:

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islam has always existed, starting from the time of adam. islam basically means to submit to the will of god and since all the prophets did this by fulfilling the command of god they are considered muslim. prophet Mohammed PBUH is of mixed ancestry, his paternal line traces back to abraham through ishmael, ismael's mother was of course eygptian, their were yemenite nomads who settled in mecca who also probably contributed to the ancestry of prophet Mohammed PBUH.
i hope this helps you to understand islam and the prophet mohammed PBUH.

"starting from the time of adam."
I guess Moses mist that part when he wrote Genesis. LOL

This debate never took place as Seti backed out...
its a good discussion let everyone keep an open mind. Even the high priest 360 master of kemet-fu can be wrong

SHeik_Adel wrote:

This debate never took place as Seti backed out...
its a good discussion let everyone keep an open mind. Even the high priest 360 master of kemet-fu can be wrong

Seti backed out because he got blasted by Wesley Muhammad on the topic of slavery in Ancient Egypt. Afrocentrists have for the last 30 years used the topic of Arab slavery to decieve Muslims of African descent, and other people about Islam, this subject was/is designed to divert African Americans and other people of African descent from the beauty of Islam, but when Dr. Wesley Muhammad gave an illustration on the topic of KHEMITIC SLAVERY, it shocked Seti's world, and he had no reply, he could no longer argue that African Americans and other Africans should avoid Islam due to an arab slavery because Blacks were enslaving other Blacks from the Blue Nile in Ethiopia to the White Nile in Sudan to the Black Nile in Egypt.

The lies of the Afrocentrists, forced them to seek other avenues to debate AA Muslims, so they sought a doctrinal approach which, while at the same time AA Muslims are both unwinding their arguments and presenting a way of life that has for generations cultivated the best in humanity.

I think that Afrocentrists need to develope their own belief system without picking fights with Muslims, leave sleeping dogs alone, learn from the Romans, Persians, Soviets and others.

Muslims are like bees, as long as you leave muslims alone muslims leave you alone.

Now the article presented to substantiate this thread is misleading, because it implies that only Africans are Blacks, while Blacks can be non african (i.e Buddha),

http://www.ideal-export.com/images/figure/AS0...

There were many Blacks on the Arabian peninsula who helped and lead in the way of Islam. It's not wise for Blacks to limit themselves to only Africa when early Africans spread out all over the planet.

passerby wrote:

The truth Of Islam is slowly coming out.
It is not a pretty history as far as sub Shara Africa is concerned

When we examine Islam in "Sub Saharan" Africa, it runs consistent with all the other systems of belief in that it maintained the basic cultures of the people.

South of the Sahara TODAY, is most stable in the Muslim lands, hiv is lowest in the Muslim lands, crime is lowest in the Muslim lands. Many opponents of Islam wish to present this "arab invasion" yet not one country south of the sahara speaks arabic officially.

In southern sudan today the south is still non arab in the 21st century. So this notion that Arabs took over Black people is a myth that has yet to be proven.

The only way that Islam could have spread in Black Africa is through Black people, you know like Malcolm X's of the 13th century.

This myth of Islam perpetuating genocide is outrageous infact the opposite is true, where Islam is found we find much more stability, security, and lower incidents of hiv.

Islam has the answer for africa's woes, it gives us those old fashioned values that we have lost, and the hypocrisy of rejecting Islam because it came back from Arabia ignores the fact that Africans first settled Arabia, and that most Africans have already adopted fundamental principles that are foreign to Africa such as democracy, socialism, english, french, spanish, portuguese, christianity, judaism, atheism, helenism etc.

So how is it that Islam is "foreign" while you say that in French,English and German.

If Islam has one value an honest person would admit this. I myself have observed many thousands.

Another fault of the Afrocentrist debate is that they repeatedly go off on the tangent of presenting Islam on the African continent while like Eurocentrists ignoring Islam in the African American experience.

It is common knowledge that like South Saharan Africa; African Americans accept Islam without the presence of Arabs almost always.

This reality weakens the argument that Africans have to be forced to accept Islam. So when we bring the subject back to America, Islam takes on a bright spot in the African American experience, and afrocentrists know this so they seek to ignore it.

It is a deception in reality, and Black people should be honest enough to look at both sides of the Atlantic before drawing conclusions, because prejudice means drawing inconclusive conclusions, or ignoring the facts. That is the case with the afrocentric presentation on Islam in Black Africa, and the African American experience.

It also insults the humanity of the African/African American to insinuate that all other people can make a decision about which path to take except the Black man, he had to be forced into Islam, is that logical?

Everybody else has the intellect to choose except Black people as if to say "we were too wild to decide for ourselves."

One thing I've learned through examining this thing, is that most AA's can see that Islam is not the problem in BLACK AMERICA, and that's what matters. So what is the problem in Black America, and why are afrocentrists more devoted to arguing with Muslims then going after the real problems that are affecting AA's, and problems that Black Muslims have battled for generations, who are they working for?

Muslims aren't going after Afrocentrists, because we have sense enough to know that alcoholism, drug addiction, out of wedlock children, crime etc. is plagueing Black America, those are our top priority.

If an African American had to choose between Islam and Afrocentricity and they based that decision upon which group best addressed the social woes of the ghetto, who do you think they would choose?

It could be argued that alcoholism isn't even against afrocentricity, because many african cultures adore this poisonous beverage, while Islam abhors it.

Islam takes the African back to the original nature in which his mother brought him into this world, and that is alcohol free, narcotic free, crime free.

What good is it to have freedom when all your windows are barred up, and you can't leave the house unarmed?

Seti himself has considered Islam, but has rejected it on the basis of self lies. For example all of his attacks on Islam are infact Afrocetric.

That's the great irony of the Afrocentric debate, for example.

"Islam enslaved Black people, so Black people should reject Islam."

I could replace Islam in this above statement with Egypt, and totally confuse and bewilder the afrocentrist.

Everything that he hates about Islam is really a hatred of himself. That's what a non-muslim is 'one who rejects truth'.

He'll look for all sorts of flimsy excuses to justify resisting.

Another argument,

"Muslims worship a Black Stone, so Black people should reject Islam." Besides this being false, it's another conflicting statement for Afrocentrists.

How many African cultures are there that are animists, pagan, idolitrists, ancestral, where idols are fashioned out of stone?

So even if this lie were true, there would be nothing un-african about worshiping a Black stone. So again we find an excuse to resist Islam.

So when you pick a fight with Muslims you run the risk of being stripped virtually naked. Floyd Patterson said "No Muslim should be heavyweight champion of the world", and what happened?

http://www.boxing-memorabilia.com/images/BioC...

http://www.life.com/image/50437028

Whenever you are talking about worship, that will get thrown back at the Afrocentrist, slavery will get thrown back, women's issues get thrown back.

Then on top of that the Muslim will present what the sources of Islam says about those topics request his opponent to present documentation to rebute the Islamic sources which will not happen and the debate is over.