Protests against a visit to Greece by US Secretary of State...

anna wrote:

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dear righteous the problem is not when u fly in international air corridors cause it's legal and our plains won't chase u out, the problem is that most of the times u fly in greek airspace fully armed as if u were in a war! with actions like these u don't promote peace and stability, if u put ur place in the position of a greek habitant of the samos island u wouldn't really feel very safe seeing the turkish military plains fly over ur head all the time would u?

Nikitaras wrote:

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Flying in International corridors is legal as long as the plane gives flight plans to the Area's FIR which for all the Aegean is Athens. Turkish jets do not provide these and this is the reason they are being pushed back. Also besides violating ICAO rules for safety they regularly fly over Greek islands which surely is not "International Airpsace"

Nikitaras wrote:

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I do not know if you noticed changes after the End of World War but the Aegean IS a Greek "Lake" and shall remain so no matter what fanatics want you to believe. You now you shall be forced to abandon these tactics condemened by ALL civilised nations or never enter EU (even if you do not want to, your government does.) As for the dog fights there are some very interesting statistics on the Turkish fighters prowess in Greek Turkish dog fights that shows Turkish fighters ALWAYS heading back after an intercept. That should tell you a lot. As we say in Greek and as it concerns the Aegean "Molon Lave" that mean "Come and get it"

Nikitaras wrote:

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I do not know if you noticed changes after the End of World War but the Aegean IS a Greek "Lake" and shall remain so no matter what fanatics want you to believe. You now you shall be forced to abandon these tactics condemened by ALL civilised nations or never enter EU (even if you do not want to, your government does.) As for the dog fights there are some very interesting statistics on the Turkish fighters prowess in Greek Turkish dog fights that shows Turkish fighters ALWAYS heading back after an intercept. That should tell you a lot. As we say in Greek and as it concerns the Aegean "Molon Lave" that mean "Come and get it"

anna wrote:

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dear ali i wish the powerful generals of Turkey thought like you! i really do like the common turkish people but it's really annoying seeing the tv news everyday talking about our national airspace's violations by the turkish military plains and also i am really disappointed in seeing the turkish generals talking about the "grey zones" in the aegean we are just a country that wants to live in peace with Turkey , how would u feel if our army talked about "grey zones" inside Turkey? honestly as a turkish citizen how would u feel?

Righteous wrote:

niki
here is a quote from yours...
Flying in International corridors is legal as long as the plane gives flight plans to the Area's FIR which for all the Aegean is Athens.
for all the aegean is athens ??? gotta be joking !!!
we donot recognize athens as authority, we give the flight plans to Izmir
you guys pretend to be aegean FIR line authority
and thats the problem...!
too much pretention for a small country...!
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Righteous wrote:

niki
I will repeat too much pretention for a small country,
aegean is a greek lake ???
THIS IS A PROVOCATION DUDE !!!
they tell you that turkish jets are always returning
ha hah hah the greek jets might be running on hydrojen
fuel then, since they donot return their bases ...
or they never return neither jets nor pilots...!!!
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Ali Turkoglu wrote:

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Dear Anna,
please understand this again..we have no designs over any of our neighbours...period...
Aegean is an internationally recognised "special waterway"where 12 mile limit does not apply nor usual FIR rules...
after all i do not know what the problem is since your country-on the surface at least!_support our EU application,therefore Turkish jets flying over your heads should give you security as we are all in Europe,instead of fright...If we ever want to invade Greece-and we shall not...ever!-we would not rely on airpower but infantry and special forces so please do not worry about this exaggerated threat.....there is no threat from us as we have enough on our plate trying to be the 5th biggest economy in the world!!!

Ali Turkoglu wrote:

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Dear Anna,
please understand this again..we have no designs over any of our neighbours...period...
Aegean is an internationally recognised "special waterway"where 12 mile limit does not apply nor usual FIR rules...
after all i do not know what the problem is since your country-on the surface at least!_support our EU application,therefore Turkish jets flying over your heads should give you security as we are all in Europe,instead of fright...If we ever want to invade Greece-and we shall not...ever!-we would not rely on airpower but infantry and special forces so please do not worry about this exaggerated threat.....there is no threat from us as we have enough on our plate trying to be the 5th biggest economy in the world!!!

Nikitaras wrote:

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Hehehehehe 5th biggest economy in the world!!! this is September's Joke right? So you are a member in the G8? and probably also a permanent member of UN security council. No really now I believe you are first economy....

Ali Turkoglu wrote:

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YOU DONT REALLY WANT US TO COME...
IF WE COME...WE STAY!
LAS TIME IT TOOK YOU 6 CENTRUIES TO PERSUADE US TO LIVE!

Ali Turkoglu wrote:

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Nikki.,
i said soon!
Also,we shit bigger than Greece!

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Nikitaras wrote:

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Hey do the people some favour and worhip whatever you want to worship on your own.

Nikitaras wrote:

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Yes and do not show surpise since you NEVER challenged Greek authority in the Aegean until 1974. You remembered your old plans for the Aegean just after Cyprus. So yes Aegean is a GREEK lake, has always been and shall remain so. On your remarks concerning the violations and your pilots prowess there are many jokes going around in NATO for no-english speaking Turkish pilots doing a blue-on-blue (any idea what it is?) on almost every exercise...

Nikitaras wrote:

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Of course anyone knows that in the moderne days no clash between countries like Turkish and Greece would not involve Infantry in a big scale but rather big decisive sea-air strikes.

Nikitaras wrote:

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Yes I know you shit a lot both in private and in public.

Nikitaras wrote:

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Hey do the people some favour and worhip whatever you want to worship on your own.

Ali Turkoglu wrote:

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Nikki...
you are taken in by your own Greek smear again...
any Turkish pilot who does not speak proficient English is not even allowed to enter the Turkish Air Force..period...
i know this very well as on the Central exam boards for
Turkish Unis,unless you score 80%+ on English to start with you are not even entertained to apply for any of the military schools...
so keep to your cheap rhetoric and have the false sense of security..we don`t care!