'Hypocrites': Sharpton Blasts Black Pastors Who...

May 18, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: TheBlaze.com

It's no secret that many Christian pastors have taken a stand against President Barack Obama's proclamation of support for same-sex marriage.

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Coretta Scott King:

"I still hear people say that I should not be talking about the rights of lesbian and gay people and I should stick to the issue of racial justice... But I hasten to remind them that Martin Luther King, Jr., said,'Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere'... I appeal to everyone who believes in Martin Luther King, Jr.'s dream to make room at the table of brotherhood and sisterhood for lesbian and gay people."

"We are all tied together in a single garment of destiny... I can never be what I ought to be until you are allowed to be what you ought to be," she said, quoting from her husband. "I've always felt that homophobic attitudes and policies were unjust and unworthy of a free society and must be opposed by all Americans who believe in democracy."

"Gays and lesbians stood up for civil rights in Montgomery, Selma, in Albany, Georgia, and St. Augustine, Florida, and many other campaigns of the Civil Rights Movement. Many of these courageous men and women were fighting for my freedom at a time when they could find few voices for their own, and I salute their contributions."

"We have to launch a campaign against homophobia in the black community."

"Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood. This sets the stage for further repression and violence that spread all too easily to victimize the next minority group."

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alperm sharpton needs to sit his arse down and SHUT UP!!

he looks like he has aged about 20 years since i last saw him.
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Al Sharpton is da man peace.

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May 18, 2012
 
Rev. William Sinkford, former President of the Unitarian Universalist Church. "The Unitarian Universalist Association has a long-standing and deeply held religious commitment to support full equality for gay people. We dedicate ourselves to work for justice, grounded in faith, which calls us to support everyone's full humanity, everyone's ability to love, and everyone's value in the world.

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al: we still waiting for ya to come protest the treatment of the two reporters in norfolk, va by a black mob. no justice, no peace, right? that's what tawana told us...

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Al Shaarpton is right on this issue.

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-0h-Really - wrote:
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but, But,...BUT
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http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/TNOO732JJHG19...
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That was from one of several quotes in support of equal rights for gay people from Conservative Icon, US Senator, and Republican presidential candidate Barry Goldwater, demonstrating discrimination is not a true conservative value. You may notice he was addressing "factions imposing their will on others".

Equal rights imposes no will on others. It is denial of equality that is the imposition.

These African American religious leaders I have been quoting are appealing for equal treatment under the law. They are not trying to use their religious beliefs to deny equality and therefore are not imposing their will on anyone.

Glodwater also said:“There has always been homosexuality, ever since man and woman were invented. I guess there were gay apes. So that's not an issue. The Republican Party should stand for freedom and only freedom."

and; "The big thing is to make this country, along with every other country in the world with a few exceptions, quit discriminating against people just because they're gay. You don't have to agree with it, but they have a constitutional right to be gay."
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I can't understand why the media still pays his nonsensicle a$$ any mind. I guess it must be the controversy factor because nothing he ever says makes sense or seems fair.

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That was from one of several quotes in support of equal rights for gay people from Conservative Icon, US Senator, and Republican presidential candidate Barry Goldwater, demonstrating discrimination is not a true conservative value. You may notice he was addressing "factions imposing their will on others".
Equal rights imposes no will on others. It is denial of equality that is the imposition.
These African American religious leaders I have been quoting are appealing for equal treatment under the law. They are not trying to use their religious beliefs to deny equality and therefore are not imposing their will on anyone.
Glodwater also said:“There has always been homosexuality, ever since man and woman were invented. I guess there were gay apes. So that's not an issue. The Republican Party should stand for freedom and only freedom."
and; "The big thing is to make this country, along with every other country in the world with a few exceptions, quit discriminating against people just because they're gay. You don't have to agree with it, but they have a constitutional right to be gay."
During the more liberal humanist era of the 1960s, Goldwater (an opponent of the Civil Rights Act of 1964) seemed rather extreme. Indeed, he was by the standard of the time. Today's reactionaries make Goldwater look like a moderate or a liberal.

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-0h-Really - wrote:
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Right, so when religion agrees with your agenda, it's "viable", but when it disagrees, it "has no place in a discussion of civil rights". And you don't see the hilarity in that...hmmm?
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You continue to attribute the words of Barry Goldwater to me, in your continued attempt to discredit me personally, rather than debate the issue at hand.(smh) Those are not my words, yet I essentially agree with the principal he was trying to state, though I would have worded it differently.

Now it appears you are twisting those words. Neither of us said what you quote: "has no place in a discussion of civil rights". If you look at the entire quote from Goldwater, you see he also said: "They must learn to make their views known without trying to make their views the only alternatives." This acknowledges their right to express themselves. His objection, which I share, is when they use the law to enforce beliefs that harm others needlessly through denial of the rights they themselves enjoy.

Others, as Goldwater encouraged, are objecting to using religious interpretations to justify imposing their will on everyone else through the force of law. This is an example where "the decent people connected to them recognize that religion has no place in public policy."

Your attempts to demean me personally, provide no legitimate governmental interest sufficient to justify denial of equal rights.

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During the more liberal humanist era of the 1960s, Goldwater (an opponent of the Civil Rights Act of 1964) seemed rather extreme. Indeed, he was by the standard of the time. Today's reactionaries make Goldwater look like a moderate or a liberal.
Agreed.

While I would not have voted for him, and disagree with many of his positions, I appreciate some of his other positions which so many who claim to be conservatives seem to ignore, including; "The conservative movement is founded on the simple tenet that people have the right to live life as they please, as long as they don't hurt anyone else in the process."

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While "liberals" have proven time and time again that
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....to MY opinion.(Or they're a bigot)."
Only a clown like you would say such a thing. Liberals and Libertarians believe that people should be allowed to do what they want, so long as it does not hurt other people or the environment. Same sex marriage does neither.Me getting married has no impact on you or your family. Yet you wanna stick your head in my business and tell me who I can or cannot marry.

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-0h-Really - wrote:
<quoted text>You're the one that keeps quoting him in thread after thread. I just found it amusing to see you quoting the "former leader of the Libertarian Church" (or whatever) as you did,
...after the "religion has no place in a civil rights discussion" quote.
I found it quite hypocritical of you.
Therefore, I find nothing worth debating with you, as you've proven your fleeting "loyalty" to any particular opinion.
And yet again, your posts rely on personal attacks and false quotes rather than a discussion of the information presented. These are the tactics of a bully.

I understand you have no rational excuse for your prejudice, and have no legitimate governmental interest sufficient for denial of equal rights. That leaves you with nothing but to demean and dehumanize those who point out your prejudice is irrational.

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While "liberals" have proven time and time again that
"everyone is entitled,
....to MY opinion.(Or they're a bigot)."
And yet another post that relies entirely on pejorative terminology and insults, while failing to even attempt to provided any legitimate governmental interest sufficient for denial of equal rights.

We know not all prejudice includes bigotry, though it may, and in many cases does.

"Prejudice, we are beginning to understand, rises not from malice or hostile animus alone. It may result as well from insensitivity caused by simple want of careful, rational reflection or from some instinctive mechanism to guard against people who appear to be different in some respects from ourselves." (Golinski)

“As irrational prejudice plainly never constitutes a legitimate government interest, this court must hold that Section 3 of DOMA as applied to Plaintiffs violates the equal protection principles embodied in the Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution.”(Gill)
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And yet another post that relies entirely on pejorative terminology and insults, while failing to even attempt to provided any legitimate governmental interest sufficient for denial of equal rights.
We know not all prejudice includes bigotry, though it may, and in many cases does.
"Prejudice, we are beginning to understand, rises not from malice or hostile animus alone. It may result as well from insensitivity caused by simple want of careful, rational reflection or from some instinctive mechanism to guard against people who appear to be different in some respects from ourselves." (Golinski)
“As irrational prejudice plainly never constitutes a legitimate government interest, this court must hold that Section 3 of DOMA as applied to Plaintiffs violates the equal protection principles embodied in the Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution.”(Gill)
This response comes several months later but...As a Christian, let me give what I think is a better perspective of the issue.#1, I don't believe the 5th amendment is open and clear enough that it would allow THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT to pass laws allowing adults to marry ANYONE (may as well address it, three men marrying one woman or vise versa etc..)they choose. Like most laws, CURRENTLY, it's a states issue. I see no problem with states passing DOMA. I believe it's a good thing. But to the point, Christians understand that there are some things that are "legal" that GOD is not pleased with. Same sex marriage happens to be one of those issues. So, eventhough many of us know that things will get WORSE,(according to the bible) we do not and should not support same sex marriage. What a person "does" or "feels" is NOT a civil rights issue. On this particular topic, I would love to personally speak to "reverend" Sharpton. My position (AGAIN) would not sooo much be the passing of a law, I would love to hear Mr Sharpton address what the BIBLE CLEARLY SAYS ABOUT THE ISSUE. I mean, you believe what the bible says or you don't.
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LEW777 wrote:
<quoted text>This response comes several months later but...As a Christian, let me give what I think is a better perspective of the issue.#1, I don't believe the 5th amendment is open and clear enough that it would allow THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT to pass laws allowing adults to marry ANYONE (may as well address it, three men marrying one woman or vise versa etc..)they choose. Like most laws, CURRENTLY, it's a states issue. I see no problem with states passing DOMA. I believe it's a good thing. But to the point, Christians understand that there are some things that are "legal" that GOD is not pleased with. Same sex marriage happens to be one of those issues. So, eventhough many of us know that things will get WORSE,(according to the bible) we do not and should not support same sex marriage. What a person "does" or "feels" is NOT a civil rights issue. On this particular topic, I would love to personally speak to "reverend" Sharpton. My position (AGAIN) would not sooo much be the passing of a law, I would love to hear Mr Sharpton address what the BIBLE CLEARLY SAYS ABOUT THE ISSUE. I mean, you believe what the bible says or you don't.
The known Bible had been manipulated do anyone not taking that in to consideration is simply not too bright
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The known Bible had been manipulated do anyone not taking that in to consideration is simply not too bright
Not manipulated, clear, consistent, does not contradict itself. If a person does not believe, that's one thing, but it is absolutely opposed to gay marriage.

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<quoted text>Not manipulated, clear, consistent, does not contradict itself. If a person does not believe, that's one thing, but it is absolutely opposed to gay marriage.
You must add your interpretation of biblical verses to find any condemnation of same sex marriage or of gay people. "What the Bible forbids is acts of lust, rape, idolatry, violation of religious purity obligations, or pederasty, but no condemnation of homosexuality in relationships of mutual respect and love." James B. Nelson, Professor of Christian Ethics, United Theological Seminary.

And the bible does contain contradictions, and you don't even attempt to follow all of the rules it lists.

While free to believe anything you choose and practice that belief for yourself as along as it doesn't harm others, our government was intended to prevent you from imposing your discriminatory beliefs on others, harming them in the process. That is why we have a bill of rights.

Your refusal to practice the Golden Rule is not supported by scripture.

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"The New Testament and Homosexuality" Robin Scroggs, Prof of New Testament at Union Theological Seminary is a serious theologian and is favorable reviewed by many theologians. He is a happily married heterosexual with no personal bias. He includes cites from Boswell and expands further especially on pederasty and concludes there is nothing biblically wrong with homosexuality.

"What the Bible Really Says About Homosexuality" by Daniel Helminiask, PH.D., was ordained as a Catholic priest in 1967 and is incardinated in the Diocese of Pittsburgh. From 1981-1985 was Assoc Prof for Systematic Theology at Oblate School of Theology and earlier completed his Ph.D. in systematic theology at Boston College and Andover Newton Theological School. He concludes the Bible says absolutely nothing about homosexuality being sinful when you examine the actual Hebrew/Greek texts."

Baptist Rev Dr. William R. Stayton, Divinity degree from Andover Newtown Theological School and on faculty of LaSalle University's Grad program in Religious studies:- "There is nothing in the Bible regarding homosexual orientation. In fact, the Bible does not concern itself with sexual orientation. It does speak against gang rape, male prostitution for religious purposes, and pederasty. I lead bible study programs on this subject and am convinced that the Bible does not address the issue of a person's sexual orientation."

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